Who had the worse 5th set collapse in terms of converting straightforward breakpoint opportunities?

[calitennis127]

In fairness I don't have to directly converse with you to tell that you're an idiot, but that's besides the point.

Okay Mr. Nadal is better than Djokovic on grass (2010), or Mr. Federer has much worse racquet head acceleration now and can't win more majors because of it (2012), Mr. Federer is getting old (2011), or Mr. LeBron and JR Smith won't dominate together (right before they go on a tear through the Eastern Conference playoffs in 2015 and get to the Finals), or Mr. The Covington kid was racist (when it was the Black Hebrews shouting racial epithets at the Native Americans and the white students).

Sure. You clueless buffoon, lol. Sure.

 

[calitennis127]

Ahhhh the "you have no idea what you're talking about" response. Very substantive.

Lol.....you're the one who did not explain how his level dropped in the third set you idiot. There was nothing to respond to substantively because you offered nothing substantively. Goodness gracious.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA NALBANDIAN HAS THE SAME LEVEL OF BURST AND LATERAL QUICKNESS AS NADAL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Imagine being an adult who talks this way. Cheez oh wheez.

But, as for the point, yes, Nalbandian did have the same level of burst and lateral quickness. That's largely why he beat Kuerten at the French and Federer at two majors. You dumbass.

It's not my fault you're too stupid to realize that what separates Nadal is extreme stamina and constancy over long periods.

Congrats, Anti Pusher's "Nalbandian and Nadal have similar games" is no longer the dumbest post in this thread.

Trust me, no one thinks you should be the arbiter of what is and isn't stupid. That would be like making Joe Biden the arbiter of what is coherent and disciplined rhetoric.

Ah yes, he threw up a bunch of moonballs = he's a moonballer.

Right, and you're accusing me of playing with the meanings of words. Being a moonballer doesn't mean every single shot you hit has to be a moonballer.

Well everyone, in that very same match, Nadal served and volleyed A LOT. I hereby declare him to be a serve and volley player.

What a stupid comparison.....the difference is that you can go to dozens of matches through Nadal's career and find examples of him moonballing for long periods of time as a default playing style. Did you forget about this match against Gulbis when Gulbis exceeded his winner count 59-13?

Also the argument that people called him that early in his career (which is false) is pretty much you admitting that you're full of shit since you know... his game actually changed

He still reverts sometimes. And he did moonball a lot earlier in his career.

and he's won a lot off clay so it's no longer relevant...you should know, since you've had a meltdown for every single title he's won thereafter.

Not really.....I have only been bothered by his wins at majors. But you are the one who likes using the word meltdown. You completely overuse it, especially for someone who accuses others of playing loose with vocab.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Oh wait, so now Nalbandian largely beat guys due to athleticism, not ball-striking. I'm struggling to keep track with this ever changing narrative. I'm inclined to believe you make it up as you go.

 

[calitennis127]

Oh wait, so now Nalbandian largely beat guys due to athleticism, not ball-striking. I'm struggling to keep track with this ever changing narrative. I'm inclined to believe you make it up as you go.

Your stupidity knows no bounds. Seriously. Saying that Nalbandian had the same level of burst and side-to-side quickness (especially pre-surgery) is not the same as saying that he beat players solely because of superior athleticism.

What you are too stupid to understand is that no matter how un-glamorous you may find it, endurance and durability are huge factors in a player's success. Nadal is the most superhuman player in tennis history (with only Djokovic being close) in terms of stamina and ability to recuperate after long matches. He also was far less injury-prone than Nalbandian considering the number of matches he played.

Nadal played Verdasco in a 5-hour marathon on a Friday and then beat Federer in 5 sets less than 48 hours later even though Federer had an entire extra day of rest......this type of stamina is unheard of. For you to not recognize its significance is simply an indicator of your stupidity. The specific tactics you fret over are far less significant in the big picture than Nadal's ability to play to 90% of his potential for over 4 hours every single time he steps on the court.

No other player has ever been able to do that, with only Djokovic being close.

That's what sets Nadal apart, not that he moves quicker side-to-side than any human being in history like you try to argue.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Your stupidity knows no bounds. Seriously. Saying that Nalbandian had the same level of burst and side-to-side quickness (especially pre-surgery) is not the same as saying that he beat players solely because of superior athleticism.

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You literally said movement is why he beat Kuerten and Federer. So is it that or his once in a lifetime talent?

 

[brokenshoelace]

That does not change how terrific a player he was over a decade prior to that.

Yes, some would say the best in the league...

 

[calitennis127]

You literally said movement is why he beat Kuerten and Federer. So is it that or his once in a lifetime talent?

My quote was this you sub-literate tool:

"Nalbandian did have the same level of burst and lateral quickness. That's largely why he beat Kuerten at the French and Federer at two majors."

So let me translate that for you: without high-level athleticism, Nalbandian could not have won those matches - and he could have beaten Nadal on each of those days as well.

But if you look at the span of their careers, Nadal's far greater physical stamina and durability helps explain the disparity in results. Nalbandian at his peak was better, but he could not sustain the level nearly as long.

 

[calitennis127]

Talk to me more about sports Mr. Nalbandian is better than Nadal and JR Smith is better than Lebron. Oh educate my poorly read Lebanese hopeless self.

Lol......you don't even understand your favorite player's success, which I have known for a log time. Nalbandian was better from the baseline and Nadal admitted as much. Does that matter in the long run for their overall records? No, because there is more that goes into winning than just superior talent for physically and instinctually playing the game. The main reason for Nadal's success when you compare him to his peers is his unique fitness level, not his game.

And yes, JR Smith in his twenties before the Hennessey waist pudge set in was the most offensively explosive player in the NBA. That is what I meant if I ever said "better." But, again, I don't expect you to know the difference.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

So who had the worst 5th set collapse: 2pac or Biggie?

Federer