Where Does Djokovic's 2015 Season Stand In History?

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

and that's another thing, Djokovic wasn't one match from completing the grand slam..tennis isn't played retrospectively in people's heads. the attempt stopped when he lost. that's that..

Djokovic needed to win 28 consecutive matches and failed to win match no14..the frenchopen final.

so he wasn't even half way towards winning the grandslam as he fell 15 matches short.

 

[Front242]

^ Good point, hadn't thought of it that way.

 

[Kieran]

That's right, just like Oz and Flushing Meadows are different speeds and types of hards, the grass courts in Laver's day were different. We see this in the 80's, where Mats beat McEnroe in the semis in Oz on grass, but would never have gotten close to him at Wimbledon. In fact, wilander won two Oz titles on grass, but his best Wimbledon was a quarterfinal.

The fact that 3 of 4 slams were on grass back then is too blankly stated, as if all three played the same. They didn't. And clay played slow as mud, by comparison. It was an alien world to the one we have now, where we have slow indoor courts, compared to greasy quick linoleum courts back then...

 

[nehmeth]

For me the most impressive angle on it is this:

Of the 14 big events of the year, Novak played 13 of them.

He reached the final of all 13 that he played.

And he won 10 of the 13 finals.

Ridiculous.

31-5 against the top ten (three of those losses to Fed)

 

[Great Hands]

For me the most impressive angle on it is this:

Of the 14 big events of the year, Novak played 13 of them.

He reached the final of all 13 that he played.

And he won 10 of the 13 finals.

Ridiculous.

31-5 against the top ten (three of those losses to Fed)

And only one loss to Fed that really 'mattered' - Cinci.

 

[El Dude]

With apologies to Mr. Federer, I think his 2006 is now 3rd on the list of Open Era years. Novak's 2015 is similar but slightly better. I'd have to think more on Laver vs. Novak.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Novak wins more than 20 million dollars in prize money (including the bonus given by ATP) this year.

Interesting Stat: Only 9 players (including both past and present players) have earned in their entire career more money than what Novak earned in this year alone.

 

[Fiero425]

Novak wins more than 20 million dollars in prize money (including the bonus given by ATP) this year.

Interesting Stat: Only 9 players (including both past and present players) have earned in their entire career more money than what Novak earned in this year alone.

When Martina Nav. retired the first time in '94, she had earned about $20 M over 21 years on the tour! I think she picked up quite a bit in her return to winning doubles; even at the majors adding AO MxD with Paez 10+ years ago to complete her "Box Set!" :clap :angel: :dodgy:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

the 2nd best in terms of big trophys..3majors 6masters 1wtf. behind Lavers 1969 grand slam. Laver won other big tourneys too but he is DID win 4 majors in a year. (no-one else in open era)

top 4ish in terms of win/loss..fedster 92-5, 81-4, McEnroe 82-3, Connors 99-4 in 1974 I think, Djokovic 82-6 (numbers right ?).

Officially it is at #5 in terms win/loss.

 

[Fiero425]

the 2nd best in terms of big trophys..3majors 6masters 1wtf. behind Lavers 1969 grand slam. Laver won other big tourneys too but he is DID win 4 majors in a year. (no-one else in open era)

top 4ish in terms of win/loss..fedster 92-5, 81-4, McEnroe 82-3, Connors 99-4 in 1974 I think, Djokovic 82-6 (numbers right ?).

Officially it is at #5 in terms win/loss.

But Nole has over 30 top 10 victories this season! I don't think anyone's done that before; just another record to set Nole apart from the other "GOAT's!" :angel: :dodgy:

 

[nehmeth]

the 2nd best in terms of big trophys..3majors 6masters 1wtf. behind Lavers 1969 grand slam. Laver won other big tourneys too but he is DID win 4 majors in a year. (no-one else in open era)

top 4ish in terms of win/loss..fedster 92-5, 81-4, McEnroe 82-3, Connors 99-4 in 1974 I think, Djokovic 82-6 (numbers right ?).

Officially it is at #5 in terms win/loss.

In his Grand Slam year of 1969 Laver's w/l record was 86%. Novak's this year is 93%. Obviously the measure for best years ever are not based solely on the won loss record - no matter how official it is. :nono

 

[El Dude]

Nehmeth, are you getting that percentage from the ATP World Tour site? If so, I think it is incomplete. It actually says 59-7, which is 89%, but it also says he only won 7 titles - when Wikipedia says 18 titles.

I don't think there are any complete records for pre-1973, unfortunately.

 

[nehmeth]

Nehmeth, are you getting that percentage from the ATP World Tour site? If so, I think it is incomplete. It actually says 59-7, which is 89%, but it also says he only won 7 titles - when Wikipedia says 18 titles.

I don't think there are any complete records for pre-1973, unfortunately.

My point is that while the W/L records are "official", they are not the sole measure of what constitutes the greatest season. If so, Laver's 1969 was rather subpar. :snicker

"In 1969, Laver won all four Grand Slam tournaments in the same calendar year for the second time, sealing the achievement with a four-set win over Roche in the US Open final. He won 18 of the 32 singles tournaments he entered (still the Open Era titles record) and compiled a 106–16 win-loss record."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Laver

 

[GameSetAndMath]

the 2nd best in terms of big trophys..3majors 6masters 1wtf. behind Lavers 1969 grand slam. Laver won other big tourneys too but he is DID win 4 majors in a year. (no-one else in open era)

top 4ish in terms of win/loss..fedster 92-5, 81-4, McEnroe 82-3, Connors 99-4 in 1974 I think, Djokovic 82-6 (numbers right ?).

Officially it is at #5 in terms win/loss.

In his Grand Slam year of 1969 Laver's w/l record was 86%. Novak's this year is 93%. Obviously the measure for best years ever are not based solely on the won loss record - no matter how official it is. :nono

I am not saying that win/loss record is the primary thing. I was just providing some clarification to JLLB's musings.

 

[Mile]

Sole statistic is no guarantee for discovering greatness.

In math, quality of avarage is always accompanied by some other stats which tells you quality of average.


Djoker year is best by that.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I think it's one of the great seasons, but we always overlook Laver winning four majors in one year, which has yet to be matched, and I think that McEnroe faced much better opponents in 1984.

No matter what else Novak does this year, I prefer him in 2011...

Isn't it interesting that both McEnroe and Djokovic lost matches at RG that they should have won (expected to win).

 

[nehmeth]

Isn't it interesting that both McEnroe and Djokovic lost matches at RG that they should have won (expected to win).

Was thinking about that too AP.

Borg's kryptonite was the U.S. Open (even when it was on clay)

And Lendl? He would have done a lot better at Wimbledon if it were a golf course. :snicker

 

[Fiero425]

Sole statistic is no guarantee for discovering greatness.

In math, quality of avarage is always accompanied by some other stats which tells you quality of average.


Djoker year is best by that.

Came across this nice video of Nole's 2015! Enjoy! :clap :angel: :dodgy: :eyepop

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYz5qyhecc - Novak Djokovic - Brutal Dominance 2015

- - [video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYz5qyhecc[/video] - -

 

[the AntiPusher]

Isn't it interesting that both McEnroe and Djokovic lost matches at RG that they should have won (expected to win).

Was thinking about that too AP.

Borg's kryptonite was the U.S. Open (even when it was on clay)

And Lendl? He would have done a lot better at Wimbledon if it were a golf course. :snicker

Probably ..

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fed's 2006 tops Novak's 2015 as per this detailed analysis published in USA today . Check out the details yourself. Do you agree?

This is not an "agenda" based analysis. In fact, the author says that when he started writing he thought Novak's 2015 would come out as a victor and it is just a matter of writing it up. But, once
he sat down to analyze, he finds that Fed's 2006 is indeed better than Novak's 2015.