Federberg
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What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad
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is this Trump English? "Many" have claimed?
Let's just stick to you and Moxie posting articles about how this is a threat to young people too when it is not. You two are believing in a superstition, not science. You have no facts or data to back up your covidophobia.
No!!!!! They absolutely were not fair to have done. Both investigations were absolutely baseless. Thank you for saying that, though, because it illustrates perfectly why I say that the Democratic voting base consists of low-information, misinformed, credulous sapheads whose media sources keep them detached from reality.
I mean, for you to STILL - even after the December IG report that detailed extensive errors, omissions and abuses by the FBI in its counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign - insist that the investigation into the Trump campaign was "fair to have done" shows that you are utterly and totally unaware of the most basic info about these questions.
NO!!!!! We absolutely DO not know that. That notion was a total fabrication used by the Obama and Clinton camps in conjunction with the intelligence agencies post-election as an excuse for Trump's win and a pretext for having the Trump administration harassed with investigations. Have you not looked at the recently released 2017 House Intel Committee transcripts? One of them is from an interview with Shawn Henry, the CEO of Crowdstrike (that's the company the DNC hired to investigate its server). He explicitly told Adam Schitthead and the rest of the House Intel Committee under oath that he did not have any evidence that it was the Russians who hacked the DNC server.
In fact, numerous former intel officials including William Binney have repeatedly explained how there is no way, from a technical standpoint, that it was the Russians who stole Hillary's emails and gave them to Wikileaks.
You may have to accept the fact that you were misled and duped by your gods Obama and Clinton. They lied to you and your ilk, and like good soldiers you marched along.
Released Transcripts Show Crowdstrike Had No Evidence Russia Hacked Emails from the DNC and Sent Them to WikiLeaks!
May 8, 2020
EXCLUSIVE: We Were Absolutely Correct - Released Transcripts Show Crowdstrike Had No Evidence Russia Hacked Emails from the DNC and Sent Them to WikiLeaks! | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft
We were absolutely correct. Deep State participant Crowdstrike had no information that Russia hacked the DNC and then forwarded hacked emails to WikiLeaks. This is a lie!
www.thegatewaypundit.com
For those, such as Moxie, who do not have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal.....here is a recent op-ed from the editorial board on the Obama administration's reprehensible and corrupt treatment of Michael Flynn......
The Flynn Unmaskers Unmasked
Now we know who knew about the Russian calls, including Joe Biden.
By
The Editorial Board
May 13, 2020 7:17 pm ET
When news stories appeared in early 2017 about Michael Flynn’s conversation with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S., these columns wondered how Mr. Flynn’s call was so widely known. The names of private U.S. citizens caught on tape by U.S. intelligence are supposed to be “masked” so their privacy is protected.
Well, now we know. GOP Senators Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson on Wednesday released a declassified list of Obama Administration officials who in their waning days in power “unmasked” the conversations of Mr. Flynn, who was set to become President Trump’s National Security Adviser. It seems everyone but the night janitor wanted to know who Mr. Flynn was talking to.
A stunning 39 separate officials snooped on Mr. Flynn’s conversations with foreign actors, lodging nearly 50 unmasking demands between Nov. 30, 2016 and Jan. 12, 2017. Our sources say the nearly dozen redacted names on the list are likely intelligence types—who might have a legitimate interest in knowing who their foreign targets were speaking to in the U.S. But most of the rest are partisan officials who had no business spying on their successors.
The list includes then White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, then Vice President Joe Biden, and then Secretary of Treasury Jacob Lew. Ambassador to the U.N. and Obama confidante Samantha Power made no fewer than seven requests, though she told Congress she had no recollection of unmasking Mr. Flynn.
Mr. Flynn was unmasked by at least four U.S. ambassadors, six Treasury officials, and people connected to the Energy and Justice departments and NATO, among others. Then FBI Director James Comey, then CIA Director John Brennan and then Director of National Intelligence James Clapper also made the list. This means they had access to the transcripts of any phone conversations Mr. Flynn had with foreign sources as he prepared to take power.
The media cordon sanitaire that protects Democrats will say this is no big deal because unmasking is routine and legal. But if the masking rule means nothing in practice, why pretend it exists?
The Flynn unmasking is important because it occurred amid a media frenzy over supposed Trump campaign collusion with Russia. Leaks to the Washington Post about the conversations between the Russian ambassador and both Mr. Flynn and soon-to-be Attorney General Jeff Sessions were played up as central to the collusion scandal. They caused Mr. Sessions to recuse himself from the Russia probe and Mr. Flynn to be fired. While unmasking isn’t illegal, leaking intelligence is.
There are other dots to connect. Documents released last week show that former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates first learned about the Flynn wiretapping from no less than President Barack Obama in a Jan. 5, 2017, Oval Office meeting. At least one of the unmaskers must have told Mr. Obama.
The dates of the unmaskings raise further questions. The FBI’s interest in Mr. Flynn was supposedly triggered by conversations starting Dec. 29, 2016. Yet Mr. Flynn was first unmasked a month earlier—shortly after Mr. Trump named him security adviser.
The McDonough unmasking takes place on Jan. 5, 2017—the day of the Oval Office meeting at which Mr. Flynn was discussed. Mr. Biden’s unmasking request was made on Jan. 12, 2017—the day the Washington Post reported on the Flynn-Russia conversation. Mr. Biden has some explaining to do.
All of this is fodder for U.S. Attorney John Durham as he tries to unmask the origins of the Russia collusion political ambush. The Flynn unmaskings, and the timely media leaks, take the story into the Obama White House. The peaceful transition of power is a hallmark of American democracy, or at least it used to be. It isn’t supposed to be an opportunity for the Administration that lost the election to cripple its successors as they take power.
The Flynn Unmaskers Unmasked
Now we know who knew about the Russian calls, including Joe Biden.
By
The Editorial Board
May 13, 2020 7:17 pm ET
When news stories appeared in early 2017 about Michael Flynn’s conversation with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S., these columns wondered how Mr. Flynn’s call was so widely known. The names of private U.S. citizens caught on tape by U.S. intelligence are supposed to be “masked” so their privacy is protected.
Well, now we know. GOP Senators Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson on Wednesday released a declassified list of Obama Administration officials who in their waning days in power “unmasked” the conversations of Mr. Flynn, who was set to become President Trump’s National Security Adviser. It seems everyone but the night janitor wanted to know who Mr. Flynn was talking to.
A stunning 39 separate officials snooped on Mr. Flynn’s conversations with foreign actors, lodging nearly 50 unmasking demands between Nov. 30, 2016 and Jan. 12, 2017. Our sources say the nearly dozen redacted names on the list are likely intelligence types—who might have a legitimate interest in knowing who their foreign targets were speaking to in the U.S. But most of the rest are partisan officials who had no business spying on their successors.
The list includes then White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, then Vice President Joe Biden, and then Secretary of Treasury Jacob Lew. Ambassador to the U.N. and Obama confidante Samantha Power made no fewer than seven requests, though she told Congress she had no recollection of unmasking Mr. Flynn.
Mr. Flynn was unmasked by at least four U.S. ambassadors, six Treasury officials, and people connected to the Energy and Justice departments and NATO, among others. Then FBI Director James Comey, then CIA Director John Brennan and then Director of National Intelligence James Clapper also made the list. This means they had access to the transcripts of any phone conversations Mr. Flynn had with foreign sources as he prepared to take power.
The media cordon sanitaire that protects Democrats will say this is no big deal because unmasking is routine and legal. But if the masking rule means nothing in practice, why pretend it exists?
The Flynn unmasking is important because it occurred amid a media frenzy over supposed Trump campaign collusion with Russia. Leaks to the Washington Post about the conversations between the Russian ambassador and both Mr. Flynn and soon-to-be Attorney General Jeff Sessions were played up as central to the collusion scandal. They caused Mr. Sessions to recuse himself from the Russia probe and Mr. Flynn to be fired. While unmasking isn’t illegal, leaking intelligence is.
There are other dots to connect. Documents released last week show that former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates first learned about the Flynn wiretapping from no less than President Barack Obama in a Jan. 5, 2017, Oval Office meeting. At least one of the unmaskers must have told Mr. Obama.
The dates of the unmaskings raise further questions. The FBI’s interest in Mr. Flynn was supposedly triggered by conversations starting Dec. 29, 2016. Yet Mr. Flynn was first unmasked a month earlier—shortly after Mr. Trump named him security adviser.
The McDonough unmasking takes place on Jan. 5, 2017—the day of the Oval Office meeting at which Mr. Flynn was discussed. Mr. Biden’s unmasking request was made on Jan. 12, 2017—the day the Washington Post reported on the Flynn-Russia conversation. Mr. Biden has some explaining to do.
All of this is fodder for U.S. Attorney John Durham as he tries to unmask the origins of the Russia collusion political ambush. The Flynn unmaskings, and the timely media leaks, take the story into the Obama White House. The peaceful transition of power is a hallmark of American democracy, or at least it used to be. It isn’t supposed to be an opportunity for the Administration that lost the election to cripple its successors as they take power.
Turns out you were wrong in this April 22nd post, Britbox (as was BwokenWooWace, the Lebanese Elmer Fudd whose forecasts about "science-denying morons" have been, well, science-free and moronic, just as Tinfoil Federberg and AntiPusher bombed out with their comments on Michael Flynn in December). Once again, you jumped the gun and got too emotional, just like you did with the Soleimani strike when you said the genie could not be put back in the bottle.
At this point there is a pretty strong case to be made that the virus has been spread - not impeded - by the lockdowns. The state of Georgia began to re-open on April 25th. That day it had 650 new cases of coronavirus. On May 13th it only had 555 new cases. There has been a similar trend in Florida since it started its reopening.
There is also the fact revealed recently by Governor Meatball of New York that over 60% of new cases in the state were from people who stayed at home, which undercuts the whole concept of the lockdowns in the first place. Really, as we look more at the data, what we see is a mixture of CDC reporting fraud and terrible protection of the elderly by the Democratic governors of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. But at this point there is very little evidence that the lockdowns are actually stopping the spread of the virus.
You, Moxie, Tinfoil Federberg, AntiPusher, and the Lebanese Elmer Fudd may have to start conceding that the lockdowns actually did more harm than good, not just in overall social and economic consequences, but in stopping the spread of the virus itself. It increasingly appears as though the lockdowns were totally unnecessary in most places. The evidence is increasingly pointing in that direction, especially when you look at these two articles. I know it will be tough for you guys to admit, but at this point you are being left with fewer and fewer options:
High-risk states are seeing fewer new coronavirus cases
May 13, 2020
Some of the states that skeptics were most worried about, including Florida and Georgia, haven’t seen the rise in total cases that some experts feared.
- Florida’s new cases have actually declined by 14% compared to the previous week, and Georgia’s fell by 12%.
Coronavirus cases aren't surging in high-risk states
The surge that experts feared hasn't happened yet — but the reopening is still in its early stages.
www.axios.com
A 'shocking' two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized in NY had been staying home
May 6, 2020
"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said. "... They were predominantly at home."
Two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized in NY had been staying home
"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said. "... They were predominantly at home."
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Moxie
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Donald Trump, Jr. and members of the Trump campaign did meet with the Russians, and expressed interest in dirt that there might be on HRC. This did warrant investigation. Things were said and done that are a matter of record. That they didn't amount to collusion with the Russians, I'm OK with. But to say that it was baseless is to deny facts.
The hacking of emails is not the only thing that the Russians were charged with in terms of interfering with our 2016 Presidential election. I'm sure you know that. There was a massive social media campaign. Facebook/Zuckerberg has admitted it. Now, if it didn't tip the scales, if it cut both ways, that's another question. But to pretend that Russia didn't meddle in our elections is blinkered and dangerous, because it ignores that it can happen again. Are you really so partisan that that doesn't bother you?
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I'm not sure I'm ok with that. Mueller was very careful in his wording. He merely said that there was insufficient evidence to successfully prosecute a conspiracy charge. He stayed well away from giving a definitive opinion of the non legal term "collusion". By omission it's obvious he thought there was collusion. He seemed to bend over backwards to exculpate the miscreants whenever he could..
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Fair enough. They are not fully off the hook, but personally, I don't think the Trump campaign was even smart enough to "collude" with the Russians. I think Trump's indebtedness to the Russians is more insidious than that. I think it's financial. But did the Russians work to influence our elections? Yes, they did. That seems proven. But Trump, and the Republicans, by extension, are too ego- and politics-driven to pursue that, even if it affects our upcoming election.
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the problem is that I keep seeing progressives give ground on false narratives from right wing operatives. And before you know it, what Mueller actually said becomes consensus interpreted as confirmation of "no collusion". Lord knows the phone call will eventually be accepted as "perfect" by progressives too. Meanwhile nothing is actually ever proved about Benghazi but HRC is forever accused of doing.... "something". I just don't get how the media falls for this over and over again...
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Turns out you were wrong in this April 22nd post, Britbox (as was BwokenWooWace, the Lebanese Elmer Fudd whose forecasts about "science-denying morons" have been, well, science-free and moronic, just as Tinfoil Federberg and AntiPusher bombed out with their comments on Michael Flynn in December). Once again, you jumped the gun and got too emotional, just like you did with the Soleimani strike when you said the genie could not be put back in the bottle.
At this point there is a pretty strong case to be made that the virus has been spread - not impeded - by the lockdowns. The state of Georgia began to re-open on April 25th. That day it had 650 new cases of coronavirus. On May 13th it only had 555 new cases. There has been a similar trend in Florida since it started its reopening.
There is also the fact revealed recently by Governor Meatball of New York that over 60% of new cases in the state were from people who stayed at home, which undercuts the whole concept of the lockdowns in the first place. Really, as we look more at the data, what we see is a mixture of CDC reporting fraud and terrible protection of the elderly by the Democratic governors of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. But at this point there is very little evidence that the lockdowns are actually stopping the spread of the virus.
You, Moxie, Tinfoil Federberg, AntiPusher, and the Lebanese Elmer Fudd may have to start conceding that the lockdowns actually did more harm than good, not just in overall social and economic consequences, but in stopping the spread of the virus itself. It increasingly appears as though the lockdowns were totally unnecessary in most places. The evidence is increasingly pointing in that direction, especially when you look at these two articles. I know it will be tough for you guys to admit, but at this point you are being left with fewer and fewer options:
High-risk states are seeing fewer new coronavirus cases
May 13, 2020
Some of the states that skeptics were most worried about, including Florida and Georgia, haven’t seen the rise in total cases that some experts feared.
- Florida’s new cases have actually declined by 14% compared to the previous week, and Georgia’s fell by 12%.
Coronavirus cases aren't surging in high-risk states
The surge that experts feared hasn't happened yet — but the reopening is still in its early stages.
A 'shocking' two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized in NY had been staying home
May 6, 2020
"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said. "... They were predominantly at home."
Two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized in NY had been staying home
"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said. "... They were predominantly at home."www.nbcnews.com
What's so emotional with getting your PPE supply chain sorted out before you unlock? As I've said on both of these threads, get your healthcare capacity in place, your supply chains in order, make provisions for the most vulnerable and unlock. I'm not in favour of extended lockdowns, so you're barking up the wrong tree.
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I think Xi has made a mistake with Hong Kong. It's a good short term tactic to distract from covid-19, but the longer term implications don't look good. Western defence contractors are going to have a field day selling weaponry to Taiwan. I don't see how he's advanced the plan to get Taiwan back into the fold. Seems like WW3 is just a bit closer now. Hong Kong as a free society is over.... and on Trump's watch. It'll be interesting to see how he tries to spin his way out of this
britbox
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There are quite a few power plays going on behind the scenes, tucked away under the media focus on COVID-19.... The French Navy escorting boats of immigrants to England... the UK coastguard and border police threatening the skipper of Nigel Farage's boat with seizure if they carried on filming it... the Bank of England refusing to give Venezuela its gold, the US attempting to stop Iranian vessels taking fuel to Venezuela... all the China stuff with Hong Kong and Taiwan... Information wars...
There is tons of stuff happening that would be global events in normal circumstances... all flying under the radar cover of COVID-19.
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Turns out you were wrong in this April 22nd post, Britbox (as was BwokenWooWace, the Lebanese Elmer Fudd whose forecasts about "science-denying morons" have been, well, science-free and moronic, just as Tinfoil Federberg and AntiPusher bombed out with their comments on Michael Flynn in December). Once again, you jumped the gun and got too emotional, just like you did with the Soleimani strike when you said the genie could not be put back in the bottle.
At this point there is a pretty strong case to be made that the virus has been spread - not impeded - by the lockdowns. The state of Georgia began to re-open on April 25th. That day it had 650 new cases of coronavirus. On May 13th it only had 555 new cases. There has been a similar trend in Florida since it started its reopening.
There is also the fact revealed recently by Governor Meatball of New York that over 60% of new cases in the state were from people who stayed at home, which undercuts the whole concept of the lockdowns in the first place. Really, as we look more at the data, what we see is a mixture of CDC reporting fraud and terrible protection of the elderly by the Democratic governors of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. But at this point there is very little evidence that the lockdowns are actually stopping the spread of the virus.
You, Moxie, Tinfoil Federberg, AntiPusher, and the Lebanese Elmer Fudd may have to start conceding that the lockdowns actually did more harm than good, not just in overall social and economic consequences, but in stopping the spread of the virus itself. It increasingly appears as though the lockdowns were totally unnecessary in most places. The evidence is increasingly pointing in that direction, especially when you look at these two articles. I know it will be tough for you guys to admit, but at this point you are being left with fewer and fewer options:
High-risk states are seeing fewer new coronavirus cases
May 13, 2020
Some of the states that skeptics were most worried about, including Florida and Georgia, haven’t seen the rise in total cases that some experts feared.
- Florida’s new cases have actually declined by 14% compared to the previous week, and Georgia’s fell by 12%.
Coronavirus cases aren't surging in high-risk states
The surge that experts feared hasn't happened yet — but the reopening is still in its early stages.
A 'shocking' two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized in NY had been staying home
May 6, 2020
"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said. "... They were predominantly at home."
Two-thirds of patients recently hospitalized in NY had been staying home
"They're not working; they're not traveling," Cuomo said. "... They were predominantly at home."
By the way Cali - we're still in a semi-lockdown phase in Queensland, Australia. We've had SIX deaths from a state population of 5 million people. There are currently 12 active cases in the entire state - 6 of those are in Intensive care. Yet, the Premier of Queensland is saying that Queensland might not open its internal borders to other Australian states until September. This is plain madness.
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No, that's not what the Mueller report says dipshit. It flat out states this: "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." For once, Mueller did not use qualifiers. And that is because on this point there was no ambiguity. After 2800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants, and 500 witness interviews with 40 agents working the case on a budget of close to $40 million, they came up with nothing. Nada. They could not even bring charges.
You are going to have to accept that all along you believed in a completely nonsensical and baseless conspiracy theory.
To everyone else: I have to admit it is hilarious to see Federturd hanging on to the Russian collusion conspiracy theory, but I understand it because he invested so much time and hope in it that he almost has to out of self-respect. The reality is that Mueller, Weissman, and most of the investigative team are the ones who should be spending life in prison. They are absolute scum for even engaging in that dumpster-diving operation. There was nothing there and they knew it, but did it anyway. Mueller should be in jail.
No, quite the opposite. He tried to find anything he could that could fit into a broad definition of "collusion" and he found nothing. Again - you bought into a baseless conspiracy theory.
There were no miscreants in the Trump campaign. The miscreants were Mueller, Weismann, and the other investigators. They are the ones who should be in jail.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with Trump's call, except perhaps that he wasn't more explicit and aggressive about having the Ukrainian government investigate Biden's actions. Biden clearly engaged in extortion and bribery to protect his son (something you apparently can forgive Biden for but not Flynn). It's on tape.
Hillary Clinton did something with respect to Benghazi that would have gotten Trump impeached in 5 minutes.
Are you really this dense?
Yes it is. And frankly the right wing in the USA and all across the Western world gave in to this scam far too much. My original read on this was right.....not even an inch should have been given to the lockdown advocates. The only place where a lockdown may have made some sense is New York City, but even there it is doubtful that it helped anything given the data on how many people contracted the virus at home. This is, essentially, a nursing home virus and little more than that.
This whole thing has been a scam, and the lockdowns may have actually made the health problem worse. What they definitely did was create an utterly insane lockdown policy that is going to have very ugly long-term consequences.
If the likes of Moxie and Tinfoil Federbergy are worried about side effects, they should be looking at their lockdowns - not hydroxychloroquine.
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Well, maybe also in New Orleans. And basically all big airport hubs in the US. (Have you looked at the map?)
A "nursing home virus?" A "scam?" You are so invested in making little of this, even as people keep dying. I hope you can live with yourself. What about Brazil? Bolsonaro in all of his bluster and refusal to treat it as more than a "little flu." That's not working out great for Brazil. In the same way that Bojo's initial idea of "herd immunity" didn't work out so well for the UK. (Might have been useful to have googled it before making it public policy, on that one.)
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This is interesting? These numbers are far higher than what we get from worldometers.com...
