Sorry for the poorly quoted text. My answers in italic.
Friend: Basically Moro, declared himself to be apolitical, then recently found out he was very active for one of the big opposition parties that suffered big losses to PT.
Lie. Nothing was "recently" found out. PT has been accusing Moro of being partial to PSDB for ages, the evidence to that is 5 or 6 years old at least, Moro denies of course, so did the own Bozo-naro time and again. Probably something happened in the conspiracy world those guys live, some "truth" must be circulating on whatsapp, for him to say that, but it did not reach surface (and I am paying attention).
Bozo only way out is to discredit his (latest) accuser. More on that bellow.
Friend: Bolso and the gang have been trying to cut a lot of the cronyism etc, in my view pushed too hard on too many doors
Oh boy, the "he is challenging the system" talk. I could write pages showing how utterly retarded this is. Hopefully the particular points below tell part of the story.
Friend: Not sure Maia has come out and told people to wind their necks in
Friend: They are idiots, my friend who advised him told him to drop them months ago
Friend: But anything they have on them is an accounting error of an accounting error compared to the rest
This name "Maia" will appear more and more, is one of their giant new enemies. No saint, but differently from the Bozo clan he is a skilfull politician (in both good and bad senses). They are scared to death of him.
But now comes the main part. Of course Bozo stole less money than some, because, up to 2 years ago, he was an IRRELEVANT politician. IRRELEVANT politicians are CHEAP, he simply could not
charge much for his favours, because they were almost worthless. His business was with small time criminals, militia, death squads. The already revealed corruption on his side is compatible with his former level of influence.
Me: lol so you actually think Bolso is a clean guy
Friend: By Brazil standard, yes
Answered above.
Friend: He just pissed too many vested interests off
Friend: An engineer working for my business, would earn 10k brl a month, good salary
Friend: For the state companies that Bolso is trying to reform a similar job would pay 80k
Lie. Completely absurd out right fucking lie. If some technical guy get this kind of money, is completely off the curve. There are ones who get that, yes, but due to plain corruption, which everyone knows is there. But the way the guy wrote indicated that a full army of people got astronomical pay checks. Some do, but mainly bureacrats, the problem is corruption itself.
Friend: I know an American Brazilian guy that made 6mm being the marketing co-ordinater for Eletrobras, doubt he could spell marketing
Friend: The political guy that sponsored him made double
That's the way it is, or was, unfortunately. But guess who was the one responsible of dismantling that (Petrobras) scheme? Moro. What was Bozo's contribution to that? Zero. None. Actually he strongly supported the last President of the Low House (Cunha), who was a beneficiary of that scheme. The shoe is on the other foot.
Friend: As I keep saying, Bolso has no filter, but he has the best long term interest of Brazil at heart
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA (stole that line from Broken). The guy whose political symbol is to make a little gun with his fingers has something "at heart". Go fuck yourself.
Friend: The left is like a parasite, they are leaping on to all this shit.
Friend: Nobody talking about the drop in murders
"The left" for those guys is basically everyone who disagrees with them.
Having said that, the murders have been dropping for a while, and, yes, the trend accentuated (not that much,) in this government. But given that data is provided by local (state) police departments themselves (which is quite corrupt in Brazil), and precisely the corrupt ones are the ones related to Bozo (as documented), I have all the reasons in the world to doubt those numbers. Specially given the sharp drop from day 1.
Friend: Or the cost they managed to cut
Friend: The media in Brazil is pretty much all far to left of the daily star
Oh boy. That's so fantastic. I need to tell you this: I follow (given my job) the financial/economical news here (as well as the world's). There are a few news outlets specialized in financial markets (duh). Now, please tell me, who in the face of the earth would think that those sites are "full of communists"? Yes, that's what those guys are saying. It is like saying that Bloomberg is a "Communist" website. I laugh myself to tears because those guys lost a ton of money betting on a bull market, they went all in when the market was at a historical high, now lost the kitchen sink and keep saying the communists are to blame. This is just too good.
Me: time will tell. he seems like a proper a$$ to me. And it surprises me that someone with your green credentials makes excuses for him!
Friend: Not making excuses
Friend: Just saying what is going on.
Brazil is super green no other country gets close.
Nobody praised Bolso for throwing the kitchen sink at last year's oil spill... They identified which oil field it came from and the ship that it leaked from.
Venezuela and China involved., China is Brazil biggest trading partner, and he still chastised them
Yes, Brazil is green, specially seen from above given the Amazon. What the fuck is this guy saying? Regarding to legislation, Brazil is NOT super green, is "ok", and the legislation is there for AGES.
Bozo DID NOT identified from which oild field it came. UNIVERSITIES, which he HATES, did that. Petrobras, (the company the guy above was saying that is only good to pay ultra high salaries for useless people), did that. He is trying to say that something that the STATE institutions did are Bozo's actions. The very same institutions Bozo supporters say are full of communnists. What a joke.
Me: super green! oh come on mate. What about the burning of the Amazon??
Friend: I could go through it with u, I wrote a long piece for a swf a few months ago
Friend: The chief lobbying group on Amazon, is a US based farm lobby, that knows US cannot subsidize it's farms anymore, and they cannot compete with Brasil on same terms
Friend: Too much disinformation.
There is disinformation about that, ok. This is not the whole story, but it is first rational thing the guy wrote.
Me: disinformation?? Do me a favour! We can see the burning of the forest. The destruction of aboriginal lands. Puh-leeeeze mate...
Friend: I am very happy with my analysis, I grew up in the Amazon, and was there 18months ago.
Friend: if you want to talk about aboriginal rights and politics, you will be shocked to know you are with Bolsonaro
Friend: one of the 1st things he tried to do was reform the 1st nations agency, only 2% of the indians benefit from the govt money...
Oh boy. For example, trying to put a religious guy to be the one in charge of the "non contacted" indigenous people (yes, we have uncontacted tribes here).
Friend: those chiefs that you see protesting, flew their on their own planes
Friend: so the guys left on the tribal land living miserable lives get in touch with the illegal loggers/miners (funded by chinese) to exploit indigenous area, then the chief finds out and asks for a cut, if he doesnt get a cut, he sends his boys round to light them up. So every month about 100 die in clashes...
Bolso wanted to legitimise the way some of these reservations used their resources, and wanted to create a universal income scheme based on royalties, why because one of the generals on his team showed him pictures of kids starving, and he said how is this possible they get billions and free health care
Friend: where I grew up, the Chinese own 3 towers now, full of chinese traders, they send ships full of tat from China, then the ships get loaded with goods (which dont get inspected as they bribe the customs guys)
Friend: Trust me when I say things arent as black and white as the guardian and others would want us to believe
Yes, there are a lot dirty players here. The fact that they exist do not put Bozo on the list of the good guys. They are competing criminals. Bozo sides not exacty with the guys who burn the forest to advance (he just leaves them alone), he sides with the guys who use chemicals like water. The numbers are scary.
Me: well I know Brazilians who have lived there all their lives who strongly disagree with you
Friend: they have probably like 90% of Brazilians never been to the amazon and live on a diet of left wing newspapers
Friend: I arrived in the Amazon in 1969!
Friend: most cariocas and paulista have contact with the amazon from 30,000ft as they go to US
Yes, this is true. Most Brazilians know shit about the Amazon (not my case though, but I am surely no expert).
Me: I would hardly describe them as left wing mate. You're on the wrong path there!
Friend: if they read Brazilian news papers then they are reading left wing, you have no concept, the guardian would be considered right wing
Friend: foreign journalists rely on local news contacts
Oh, yes, always the communists.
Me: anyway I'll pass this on to them, and let you know what they think of your views
Friend: I called up the FT journalist in Brazil writing about the amazon, he lived so far from the amazon and admitted he had never visited
Friend: if you tell a lie enough times it becomes the truth
Friend: I have dealt with a tribal chief... they will sell their mother
What is the fucking point here? Tribal chiefs in semi-civilized areas are not an example of correctness? Oh! What a surprise! And this justifies the shit load of absurd the guys does? Gimme a fucking break.
Friend: I have had the misfortune of seeing a lot of this from the inside...
Friend: I have friends in SP that say that they have never seen corruption, I then go through their everyday and we manage to find several examples, they then get annoyed and say that is how it is...
Friend: I think Bolso says many objectionable things, BUT what he is trying to do is fundamentally correct. the trouble is there are literally 10,000 guys out of jail on appeal, he wanted to leave in jail, these corrupt men and women will never do a day in jail, and they have cost the country 100's of billions.
The justice system here is a mess, 99% of the people in jail are from the bottom of pyramid. Jails are literally a crime factory -- and guys like Bozo need them just like that. 10.000 guys cost 100's of billions. Then one guy costs 10's of millions... good math.
Friend: but he is a guy that doesn't have the polish of his foreign educated opponents, so doesn't know when to shut up.
He was always going to be on a sticky wicket when he cancelled all govt advertising (10's of billions of reais) so the media decided right then he had to go. I worked on a deal with a big TV co, the govt kick backs even then were massive, and this wasn't Globo!!
he then cut the funding for the artists which was meant for new and emerging talent, but was being exploited by the big names to the tune of billions, these two savings they re-directed to healthcare and education for the lower classes.
He could not miss Globo. He ticks all the boxes. Yes, it is a big media company here (in fact, there is a very good BBC documentary about it, called "Beyond Citizen Kane". It is about Globo taking down exactly Lula and PT 30 years ago. Maybe they were not that communists back then). Now Bozo is giving state money to a TV station run by a tele-evangelist of the worst kind.
Yes, former governments misused the money for culture (not exactly for new and emerging talent, but ok). But the part were he says that Bozo redirected it health care and education is priceless.
Friend: I am not expecting much, sadly Brazil like US has become highly polarized, which kills debate and reason. all about the soundbite and the next shocking headline
It is fucking unbelievable. The guys that resort to "communist" every two phrases complain about "polarization". Bozo fired the head of our aerospace institute (completely technical guy) simply because the institute published the usual satellite images of the Amazon -- and accused him of political motivation and/or taking money from NGO's. There are countless examples of those (the last minister of health is the latest victim).
Unfortunately I have very little time. I would love tear those "arguments" (gasp) to pieces with calm and collected evidences.
P.S, Oh, I just remembered something I wanted to share. Unfortunately my own sister is one "Bozo believer". So she sent me one week ago a link were one Bozo supporter took the last two weeks Covid-19 data from Brazil (active cases) valid at that point, using that to show that the numbers were coming down. But the guy chose the initial date carefully. He started one day before a weekend and a holiday (which was local maximum of the curve). In weekends and holydays the number of REPORTED cases is generally smaller (this is supported by basically all the data here). This way he can "find" an initial downward trend. But the main trick was that those two weeks included one day were all recoveries from the whole two preceeding months were counted (in other words, incorrect data), so the total number of cases has a sharp drop in one day. And he chose the final point of the curve just after a weekend (local minimum). Put it all together and -- at that time -- looking at that precise stripe of data, it could seem it was all coming down.
My sister sent that piece of absolute shit in the family whatsapp group. The very fucking definition of disinformation. Then I had to get all the data, see what was going on, found out the trick the guy made, calmly debunked everything. One precious hour lost.
And then she answered that I was intellectually dishonest. So, yeah, it is pretty polarized. The question is by whom.
(sorry about the rant folks. Bozo supporters go to the front of hospitals to honk their car horns to "protest". I have fucking seen it with my own eyes more than once. Really hard to take these people seriously)
