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The House of Representatives votes to open an impeachment hearing on President Biden, even though they can't seem to say why.
 

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You made it personal, and I specifically did not. I think that's out of line.

This is the 2nd time that you say I implicate myself. Again, you are WAY out of line. Did I impugn your morals or your choices? You are being shockingly rude, IMO.

As to the notion that a greater number of men take responsibility than don't: I'm not sure history and the numbers are on your side, but we'll leave that for another day. I'm not sure where we'd begin to investigate that.

This goes back to your notion that people are having sex without taking responsibility, I guess. I'm not sure that we are clear on what that means, in terms of "degeneracy." You're making a lot of moral judgements, and narrow ones. If you ask me, the greatest threat in the West is the rise of totalitarianism. Haven't all of the great societies been open to lots of ideas, at their apex?
The degeneracy is where people don't want responsibility, or realise causes and effects. As for making it personal - not really - I asked you a question. I'm curious where you get your "blanket" stereotype views of men from. All sowing their oats, leaving carnage in their midst... Erm... it takes two to tango.

I'm not being overly pious about it - just making an observation.

Yes, totalitarianism is a big threat to the west and it comes from Global oligarchs. Pandemics and war still to come. Burn down the old and bring in the new. All part of the cycle. Nothing new. The Laws of Nature.
 

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As for making it personal - not really - I asked you a question.
More than one...and they were out of line. And none really germane. If you can't discuss this without getting ugly and personal about it, it shows that your argument is weak.
I'm curious where you get your "blanket" stereotype views of men from. All sowing their oats, leaving carnage in their midst... Erm... it takes two to tango.
You keep putting words in my mouth. Cutting a little too close to the bone there?

I didn't make any blanket statement, nor make any stereotype of men. What I said was that there were some men to whom that would apply, which I know, as much as anything because of friends, which it didn't even occur to you to ask about. And because I can read. And interpret statistics, of women raising children alone. Why do you think there's a cliche of the dad who "went out for a pack of smokes" and never came back? Because it's common enough. I could go on.
I'm not being overly pious about it - just making an observation.
:face-with-tears-of-joy: For the record, "overly pious" are your words.
 

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OK, play the victim card... I rest my case.
Oh, you didn't even make your case! You mostly just dodged questions and now you're sneaking off. You acted like a cad, and now you won't own that, either. I might just rest my OWN case, on that point. :lulz1:
 

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Oh, you didn't even make your case! You mostly just dodged questions and now you're sneaking off. You acted like a cad, and now you won't own that, either. I might just rest my OWN case, on that point. :lulz1:

Make what case? It's basic biology - and oh, let me know exactly what questions that you've asked that I haven't answered.
 

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They advocate for reproductive freedom, according to their mission statement, including the right to abortion. No one advocates for abortion. No one says, "Hey, why be pregnant when you can get one of our fun, lefty abortions? Why not get pregnant just so you can have one of our excellent abortions? Try it...you'll like it!" They advocate for the rights of women to have abortions if they need them or choose them. They advocate for access to birth control, and, yes, access to abortion.

In the case of a group that champions women's reproductive freedom, including the right to access to abortion, how are you not going to classify them as "far-left?" (And this IS your classification.) They get a high rating in terms of charity groups. Name me one group in the US that advocates for a woman's right to abortion access in this country that you wouldn't consider "far left."

Your own position on abortion would be considered rather far right in this country. So feel free to examine that, too. I posted something about the consequences of far-right policy on women's health. It's an official court document. I'm fine if you don't read it. I didn't post it for you.
It’s not a problem to me if people think that trying to defend defenceless babies is far right. You ought to think that one through again…
 
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OK, so you're advocating for abstention from sex. One of the most basic human inclinations. And not just in "western civilization." For everyone who doesn't want a child as the outcome.

Why do you think that all our most ‘basic human inclinations’ have to be satisfied? You once said it’s a right to have sex. But abstention is successful at stopping unwanted pregnancies. I would say it’s sensible, given the epidemic of deadbeat dads in the west, and particularly in America in the black communities, that women start to think about the possible outcomes of letting men have their way.

Common sense has never been so rare.
Also, and this is not aimed at you, but I find this a convenient position for middle-aged men, who already sowed their "wild oats," and now tell others how to behave. To them I would aay: tell me you never had sex with a woman you didn't intend to have a child with? No matter how "well-protected."

That’s not a defence of your position. Middle aged men also have a say in what type of community they want to live in. They want to protect future generations of middle aged men - and women - from being assaulted in the womb and denied their opportunity at life.
But this is not only a first-world issue. It's a third-world issue, too. Men and women have sex, and women bear the brunt of the effects. That's why abortion is a women's health issue, and a feminist issue. Men spread their seed and move on, while women are left to take care of the babies, and squash their own dreams and ambitions.

What happens in the third world isn’t relevant to US politics. Other than that, you’re making a great case for women using their power and standing for abstention. Horny men are quick learners. If you deny them what they want, they’ll soon start to think about what you want.

Abortion boutiques are not the answer…
 
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All that education and sophistication & women are found to still be special kinds of idiots! Multiple birth controls are out there w/ abortion pills, but they're still dealing w/ unwanted pregnancies! It's worse in the Black community where these fools have multiple kids w/ multiple fathers; NONE as husbands! I just SMH saying to myself, "the more things change, the more they stay the same" in this circumstance of life! WTF? :astonished-face: :fearful-face: :yawningface:
That’s right, and yet there are people who’d say it’s racist to point out that deadbeat dads are at record heights in the black community. I think in England the woman has to name the father of the child’s before the state will entertain the notion of giving her money for it.

Then the state goes after the father - and he pays.

It’s not racist to wonder why single mothers are at a record height in black communities in America, compared to other communities. And that violent crime is rife. It’s just noticing what’s going on. Denzel Washington is asking the grown up question: where was his father? It starts in the house.

Sometimes there’s a racism in the democrat party that looks at black peoples as a sub species that can’t control itself, everything bad that happens to them is all whitey’s fault. There a gain there for them if they can keep telling the black person they’re a victim. The George Floyd video clearly showed cops trying to help him, but there’s a gain for the white liberal that those cops are now in prison. That “mostly peaceful” rooting and looting occurred. That “the right verdict” was reached, as presidential candidate Joe Biden put it during the trial, while he was on a presidential election campaign.

“The right verdict.” Imagine that. The court was being weaponised. Imagine if the verdict went the other way. The riots would still be ongoing.

Black communities are rife with deadbeat dads, and criminality. And Denzel is right, the problem starts at home, it’s not the system, it’s the culture..
 

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The House of Representatives votes to open an impeachment hearing on President Biden, even though they can't seem to say why.
that's going to be a boon for Biden. And Hunter's press conference yesterday was genius. The resolution to that confrontation will be right in the middle of the election cycle. Assuming he maintains his discipline and his public speaking remains on par, Hunter will be hard for the GOP to deal with
 

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I posted that document because of my own personal concern, and outrage. In US politics, there is a lot of propaganda about late-term abortions. I'm speaking to general US politics. This is not about you and Kieran. We post things here that raise our concerns, or interest. I find this concerning.
Is it possible you don't understand the etiquette of replying in forums? If you reply to to someone's post then whatever you say directly relates to the person you're responding to. If you want to make a statement that's independent then do so, but don't do that replying to someone. I thought this was basic knowledge. You have a habit of taking things personally even if they're not directed at you, it's getting tired. The few times I've ever retreated on this forum have tended to be when I've responded to un-directed comments from someone where it's been pointed out to me that it wasn't directed to me. I was acknowledging that I hadn't paid attention to a basic protocol. I hope this observation is useful to you with your future interactions
 
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As to the notion that a greater number of men take responsibility than don't: I'm not sure history and the numbers are on your side, but we'll leave that for another day. I'm not sure where we'd begin to investigate that.
do you realise that through out history about 40% of men have had no progeny, compared to less than 20% of women? Excluding sexual violence with is rare, access to sex has always been in the gift of women. Yes men definitely need to take responsibility, but I can't escape the feeling that you don't seem to fully accept the responsibility and accountability of women in this tango
 
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The degeneracy is where people don't want responsibility, or realise causes and effects. As for making it personal - not really - I asked you a question. I'm curious where you get your "blanket" stereotype views of men from. All sowing their oats, leaving carnage in their midst... Erm... it takes two to tango.

I'm not being overly pious about it - just making an observation.

Yes, totalitarianism is a big threat to the west and it comes from Global oligarchs. Pandemics and war still to come. Burn down the old and bring in the new. All part of the cycle. Nothing new. The Laws of Nature.
read the Niall Ferguson piece I posted in the PC thread mate. I think that western leftist intellectuals are more responsible for the threat of totalitarianism right now than any other faction
 

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read the Niall Ferguson piece I posted in the PC thread mate. I think that western leftist intellectuals are more responsible for the threat of totalitarianism right now than any other faction
Yeah, it's a good read. I vaguely recall a poster on here (it may have been @mrzz - but not sure, possibly Murat) saying extremism is like a circle and left wing and right wing extremism have far more in common than than most suppose. Two wings of the same bird.
 

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Yeah, it's a good read. I vaguely recall a poster on here (it may have been @mrzz - but not sure, possibly Murat) saying extremism is like a circle and left wing and right wing extremism have far more in common than than most suppose. Two wings of the same bird.
100%. Political scientists have been saying that fascism and communism were more similar than people wanted to admit
 

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This guy makes some great points why Biden should be optimistic about his chances in 2024...


 

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Is it possible you don't understand the etiquette of replying in forums? If you reply to to someone's post then whatever you say directly relates to the person you're responding to. If you want to make a statement that's independent then do so, but don't do that replying to someone. I thought this was basic knowledge. You have a habit of taking things personally even if they're not directed at you, it's getting tired. The few times I've ever retreated on this forum have tended to be when I've responded to un-directed comments from someone where it's been pointed out to me that it wasn't directed to me. I was acknowledging that I hadn't paid attention to a basic protocol. I hope this observation is useful to you with your future interactions
Did I say that you weren't welcome to respond? My point was that there is a lot of right-wing propaganda about late term abortion, so I was addressing the general US debate. My point was that it wasn't ONLY directed at the conversation here, and what people believe, in these forums.

I made other points, as to your question about conflating abortion and healthcare, which you haven't responded to, and that's your right. But I'm a bit tired of getting scolded by you. I have not transgressed internet etiquette. You're just not reading carefully.
 

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Make what case? It's basic biology - and oh, let me know exactly what questions that you've asked that I haven't answered.
Well, you said that you "rested" your case, so I was wondering what it was, exactly?

The biology I get. The moralizing I'm not clear on. As far as questions that you didn't answer, there is this one:

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Just so you're aware I'm not putting words in your mouth. ;)
You did. You said men "rampaging around," and leaving "carnage in their midst." I never said that.
 
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