The degeneracy is where people don't want responsibility, or realise causes and effects. As for making it personal - not really - I asked you a question. I'm curious where you get your "blanket" stereotype views of men from. All sowing their oats, leaving carnage in their midst... Erm... it takes two to tango.You made it personal, and I specifically did not. I think that's out of line.
This is the 2nd time that you say I implicate myself. Again, you are WAY out of line. Did I impugn your morals or your choices? You are being shockingly rude, IMO.
As to the notion that a greater number of men take responsibility than don't: I'm not sure history and the numbers are on your side, but we'll leave that for another day. I'm not sure where we'd begin to investigate that.
This goes back to your notion that people are having sex without taking responsibility, I guess. I'm not sure that we are clear on what that means, in terms of "degeneracy." You're making a lot of moral judgements, and narrow ones. If you ask me, the greatest threat in the West is the rise of totalitarianism. Haven't all of the great societies been open to lots of ideas, at their apex?
More than one...and they were out of line. And none really germane. If you can't discuss this without getting ugly and personal about it, it shows that your argument is weak.As for making it personal - not really - I asked you a question.
You keep putting words in my mouth. Cutting a little too close to the bone there?I'm curious where you get your "blanket" stereotype views of men from. All sowing their oats, leaving carnage in their midst... Erm... it takes two to tango.
For the record, "overly pious" are your words.I'm not being overly pious about it - just making an observation.
More than one...and they were out of line. And none really germane. If you can't discuss this without getting ugly and personal about it, it shows that your argument is weak.
Oh, you didn't even make your case! You mostly just dodged questions and now you're sneaking off. You acted like a cad, and now you won't own that, either. I might just rest my OWN case, on that point.OK, play the victim card... I rest my case.
Oh, you didn't even make your case! You mostly just dodged questions and now you're sneaking off. You acted like a cad, and now you won't own that, either. I might just rest my OWN case, on that point.
Just so you're aware I'm not putting words in your mouth.Men spread their seed and move on, while women are left to take care of the babies, and squash their own dreams and ambitions.
It’s not a problem to me if people think that trying to defend defenceless babies is far right. You ought to think that one through again…They advocate for reproductive freedom, according to their mission statement, including the right to abortion. No one advocates for abortion. No one says, "Hey, why be pregnant when you can get one of our fun, lefty abortions? Why not get pregnant just so you can have one of our excellent abortions? Try it...you'll like it!" They advocate for the rights of women to have abortions if they need them or choose them. They advocate for access to birth control, and, yes, access to abortion.
In the case of a group that champions women's reproductive freedom, including the right to access to abortion, how are you not going to classify them as "far-left?" (And this IS your classification.) They get a high rating in terms of charity groups. Name me one group in the US that advocates for a woman's right to abortion access in this country that you wouldn't consider "far left."
Your own position on abortion would be considered rather far right in this country. So feel free to examine that, too. I posted something about the consequences of far-right policy on women's health. It's an official court document. I'm fine if you don't read it. I didn't post it for you.
OK, so you're advocating for abstention from sex. One of the most basic human inclinations. And not just in "western civilization." For everyone who doesn't want a child as the outcome.
Also, and this is not aimed at you, but I find this a convenient position for middle-aged men, who already sowed their "wild oats," and now tell others how to behave. To them I would aay: tell me you never had sex with a woman you didn't intend to have a child with? No matter how "well-protected."
But this is not only a first-world issue. It's a third-world issue, too. Men and women have sex, and women bear the brunt of the effects. That's why abortion is a women's health issue, and a feminist issue. Men spread their seed and move on, while women are left to take care of the babies, and squash their own dreams and ambitions.
That’s right, and yet there are people who’d say it’s racist to point out that deadbeat dads are at record heights in the black community. I think in England the woman has to name the father of the child’s before the state will entertain the notion of giving her money for it.All that education and sophistication & women are found to still be special kinds of idiots! Multiple birth controls are out there w/ abortion pills, but they're still dealing w/ unwanted pregnancies! It's worse in the Black community where these fools have multiple kids w/ multiple fathers; NONE as husbands! I just SMH saying to myself, "the more things change, the more they stay the same" in this circumstance of life! WTF?
that's going to be a boon for Biden. And Hunter's press conference yesterday was genius. The resolution to that confrontation will be right in the middle of the election cycle. Assuming he maintains his discipline and his public speaking remains on par, Hunter will be hard for the GOP to deal withThe House of Representatives votes to open an impeachment hearing on President Biden, even though they can't seem to say why.
Is it possible you don't understand the etiquette of replying in forums? If you reply to to someone's post then whatever you say directly relates to the person you're responding to. If you want to make a statement that's independent then do so, but don't do that replying to someone. I thought this was basic knowledge. You have a habit of taking things personally even if they're not directed at you, it's getting tired. The few times I've ever retreated on this forum have tended to be when I've responded to un-directed comments from someone where it's been pointed out to me that it wasn't directed to me. I was acknowledging that I hadn't paid attention to a basic protocol. I hope this observation is useful to you with your future interactionsI posted that document because of my own personal concern, and outrage. In US politics, there is a lot of propaganda about late-term abortions. I'm speaking to general US politics. This is not about you and Kieran. We post things here that raise our concerns, or interest. I find this concerning.
do you realise that through out history about 40% of men have had no progeny, compared to less than 20% of women? Excluding sexual violence with is rare, access to sex has always been in the gift of women. Yes men definitely need to take responsibility, but I can't escape the feeling that you don't seem to fully accept the responsibility and accountability of women in this tangoAs to the notion that a greater number of men take responsibility than don't: I'm not sure history and the numbers are on your side, but we'll leave that for another day. I'm not sure where we'd begin to investigate that.
read the Niall Ferguson piece I posted in the PC thread mate. I think that western leftist intellectuals are more responsible for the threat of totalitarianism right now than any other factionThe degeneracy is where people don't want responsibility, or realise causes and effects. As for making it personal - not really - I asked you a question. I'm curious where you get your "blanket" stereotype views of men from. All sowing their oats, leaving carnage in their midst... Erm... it takes two to tango.
I'm not being overly pious about it - just making an observation.
Yes, totalitarianism is a big threat to the west and it comes from Global oligarchs. Pandemics and war still to come. Burn down the old and bring in the new. All part of the cycle. Nothing new. The Laws of Nature.
Yeah, it's a good read. I vaguely recall a poster on here (it may have been @mrzz - but not sure, possibly Murat) saying extremism is like a circle and left wing and right wing extremism have far more in common than than most suppose. Two wings of the same bird.read the Niall Ferguson piece I posted in the PC thread mate. I think that western leftist intellectuals are more responsible for the threat of totalitarianism right now than any other faction
100%. Political scientists have been saying that fascism and communism were more similar than people wanted to admitYeah, it's a good read. I vaguely recall a poster on here (it may have been @mrzz - but not sure, possibly Murat) saying extremism is like a circle and left wing and right wing extremism have far more in common than than most suppose. Two wings of the same bird.
Did I say that you weren't welcome to respond? My point was that there is a lot of right-wing propaganda about late term abortion, so I was addressing the general US debate. My point was that it wasn't ONLY directed at the conversation here, and what people believe, in these forums.Is it possible you don't understand the etiquette of replying in forums? If you reply to to someone's post then whatever you say directly relates to the person you're responding to. If you want to make a statement that's independent then do so, but don't do that replying to someone. I thought this was basic knowledge. You have a habit of taking things personally even if they're not directed at you, it's getting tired. The few times I've ever retreated on this forum have tended to be when I've responded to un-directed comments from someone where it's been pointed out to me that it wasn't directed to me. I was acknowledging that I hadn't paid attention to a basic protocol. I hope this observation is useful to you with your future interactions
Well, you said that you "rested" your case, so I was wondering what it was, exactly?Make what case? It's basic biology - and oh, let me know exactly what questions that you've asked that I haven't answered.
You did. You said men "rampaging around," and leaving "carnage in their midst." I never said that.Just so you're aware I'm not putting words in your mouth.
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