US Politics Thread

[Jelenafan]

I pulled stuff out of nowhere with no receipts? I was responding to a post by you that had no receipts or fact-based evidence. Trump has done nothing to ramp up testing? Really? I don't need him to give me testing numbers mate, I look at them on the https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries daily. It's called data, not CNN opinion. It's ramped up significantly over the last few weeks. Biden fanatics like you need to start looking at multiple sources of information outside of CNN and MSNBC editorial pieces.

That site is so addictive, it’s my go to every morning. Being a numbers guy it’s fascinating to me the shifting stats, though like Desraeli I remind myself that stats by themselves don’t tell the whole story. In the case of both Germany and South Korea the timing of initial testing seems to have been crucial in their responses to the COVID and their relatively low numbers. China suddenly jumped because Its claiming that overwhelmed early only some numbers are now coming in.

Plus so many countries haven’t done large scale testing so their numbers can be skewed per the mortality rate.

Curious as to why of the European Union, both France and UK even now have relatively low amounts of COVID tests per the general populace, considering they’ve both been slammed by the pandemic.

 

[britbox]

That site is so addictive, it’s my go to every morning. Being a numbers guy it’s fascinating to me the shifting stats, though like Desraeli I remind myself that stats by themselves don’t tell the whole story. In the case of both Germany and South Korea the timing of initial testing seems to have been crucial in their responses to the COVID and their relatively low numbers. China suddenly jumped because Its claiming that overwhelmed early only some numbers are now coming in.

Plus so many countries haven’t done large scale testing so their numbers can be skewed per the mortality rate.

Curious as to why of the European Union, both France and UK even now have relatively low amounts of COVID tests per the general populace, considering they’ve both been slammed by the pandemic.

Yes, it's fascinating. I definitely agree that it's only a useful guide, given that countries all have different testing regimes and count deaths differently.

The UK and France are both trying to scale up testing, but clearly playing catch-up. I'm wondering what the real effect on some of the lesser developed countries really is. I'd imagine it's pretty grim in some cases. The lack of tests they have access to means we'll probably never know the true picture.

 

[britbox]

I'm watching NY Governor Cuomos update. He's an impressive communicator.

 

[calitennis127]

Lol! Look at the next sentence. The point I was trying to make is fairly clear, even if you're doing your best to deny it But if you insist I'll spell it out for you. Banning China is good, but not banning other countries with signs of infection at the same time is futile. The horse has already bolted

Yes, I'm sure that if Trump had randomly banned travel from not just China but 5 other countries on January 31st while the impeachment trial was going on you would have applauded him for his consistency and awareness of international developments. Without a doubt.

 

[Federberg]

This ad pretty much says it all, but no doubt his defenders will be out in force to try to refute it!

 

[Federberg]

And no doubt they'll be out in force denying Trump has any culpability if anything should happen because of these tweets. And bear in mind this is within 24hrs of telling governors that it was their decision about when to re-open. So let's pin them here shall we?

WORST
PRESIDENT
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[britbox]

And no doubt they'll be out in force denying Trump has any culpability if anything should happen because of these tweets. And bear in mind this is within 24hrs of telling governors that it was their decision about when to re-open. So let's pin them here shall we?

WORST
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Ha, I've said before that there is more than enough live ammunition to attack Trump (without needing the false stuff). Those silly Tweets are a good example.

 

[Federberg]

Ha, I've said before that there is more than enough live ammunition to attack Trump (without needing the false stuff). Those silly Tweets are a good example.

lol! You're not seriously claiming they're fake are you. Go to his twitter mate. April 17th. Or are you claiming the Deep State hacked his twitter? Folks will give the orange buffoon a pass on everything!

 

[calitennis127]

This ad pretty much says it all, but no doubt his defenders will be out in force to try to refute it!

Federberg, you’re a complete sucker and totally misinformed as usual. That campaign ad is full of one inaccuracy after another.

The 40,000 people Trump let in from China were overwhelmingly Chinese-American citizens and green card holders you dumbass. You applaud AP calling Trump a xenophobe, yet you are showing an advertisement that condemns Trump for allowing U.S. citizens and green card holders who had been in China back into the country. I’m sure if Trump had denied entry to those people you would have been fine with it.

As for complimenting China? This is amazing. When Trump criticizes a foreign country, he is engaging in bad diplomacy. When he compliments it, he is kissing up to them. It’s funny how you just change on a dime to suit your anti-Trump hatred.

 

[calitennis127]

And no doubt they'll be out in force denying Trump has any culpability if anything should happen because of these tweets. And bear in mind this is within 24hrs of telling governors that it was their decision about when to re-open. So let's pin them here shall we?

WORST
PRESIDENT
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Federberg......3 quick questions for you:

1) Do you care at all the IMHE models have been wildly off the mark in their predictions?

2) Do you like the fact that in New Jersey 15 synagogue attendees were charged for gathering in public?

3) Do you have any shame about being completely wrong about the Russian dossier narrative? We now know - from government sources - that you were a complete sucker all along.

 

[Federberg]

Federberg......3 quick questions for you:

1) Do you care at all the IMHE models have been wildly off the mark in their predictions?

2) Do you like the fact that in New Jersey 15 synagogue attendees were charged for gathering in public?

3) Do you have any shame about being completely wrong about the Russian dossier narrative? We now know - from government sources - that you were a complete sucker all along.

hmmmm.. do you care about the fact that you were completely and stupendously wrong about the seriousness of this virus? Do you care that we know that you were and give you no more credibility than a snot stain?

We can all ask questions mate... I suggest you focus on those ones rather than spending time deluding yourself that I'm going to pay more attention to you than I would a piece of chewing gum stuck on my shoe. I won't....

 

[calitennis127]

hmmmm.. do you care about the fact that you were completely and stupendously wrong about the seriousness of this virus?

Actually I wasn't. Most of the United States is totally unaffected by the virus and the IMHE models have been revised downward 3 times. I am not the one who put out a solid number predicting number of cases or deaths. The IMHE did that and they adjusted their predictions.

So what in the hell are you talking about? My sentiments were far closer to the truth than what the hysterics were saying. I never denied that the virus exists. I questioned how severe it was and whether it was worth shutting down the global economy over. And the IMHE adjusting its death predictions downward 3 times validated my sentiments.

Now, even if you thought I was "wrong," my skepticism about the seriousness of the virus was no different than what numerous Democrats in the media and in government positions said. Nancy Pelosi as late as February 24th told people to go out to Chinatown in San Francisco and have fun. Bill De Blasio told New Yorkers on March 2nd to go out and have fun. And the New York Times, Washington Post, Daily Beast, and Vox all indicated in early February that they thought there was nothing to worry about and that Trump was being hysterical.

The fact is, you want this virus to be as bad as possible because you want to use a body death count against Trump politically. You also want Democrats across the country to keep the shutdowns going so the economy tanks and Trump can be blamed. You are such a hate-filled person and you harbor such vitriol toward Trump that you clearly want these things to happen.

Do you care that we know that you were and give you no more credibility than a snot stain?

Well I was not wrong about the virus. You were wrong about the consequences of the Soleimani strike as well as the Russia collusion narrative, and you are obviously very bitter about it.

We can all ask questions mate... I suggest you focus on those ones rather than spending time deluding yourself that I'm going to pay more attention to you than I would a piece of chewing gum stuck on my shoe. I won't....

Actually, I would like you to take a look at that chewing gum stuck on your shoe. Look at it really closely. It is a perfect symbol of the value and quality of your political opinions.

As for the questions I asked, again, I am not surprised that you are in total denial about the IMHE models and that you won't admit you were dead wrong about the Russia collusion narrative or the Soleimani strike. The fact is, you like seeing the government of New Jersey arrest people for trying to attend a synagogue and you like the governor of Michigan preventing people from driving between two properties they own. You love all this state control of society and you love even more that the Democrats are deliberately trying to tank the economy to undermine Trump.

You love all of it.

 

[Federberg]

The fact is, you want this virus to be as bad as possible because you want to use a body death count against Trump politically. You also want Democrats across the country to keep the shutdowns going so the economy tanks and Trump can be blamed. You are such a hate-filled person and you harbor such vitriol toward Trump that you clearly want these things to happen.

Mate, the economy is fucked. If you re-opened it now it would still be fucked come November. I have a business that's dependent on robust economic activity. If you think I give a shit about Trump's prospects in comparison to the well being of those I love, or my business which frankly is a distant secondary consideration, then you are more than cray cray. You're a flat out moron

As for being hate filled, I'll wager most on this forum will argue that betwixt you and I you're the hate filled one, but whatever fella. You do you!

 

[calitennis127]

Mate, the economy is fucked. If you re-opened it now it would still be fucked come November. I have a business that's dependent on robust economic activity. If you think I give a shit about Trump's prospects in comparison to the well being of those I love, or my business which frankly is a distant secondary consideration, then you are more than cray cray. You're a flat out moron

But you're probably well-off enough to survive a year of a severe economic downturn. Your business might not do as well as you'd like but you're not going to be completely devastated like many working-class people would be.

I love how you run behind this "my business and my family" defense every time someone accuses you of obsessive hatred of Trump. You may care a lot about your business and your family. I don't doubt that. But you also passionately hate Trump and spend a lot of time on this board attacking him every which way. So it's completely disingenuous of you to say "oh I don't really care about Trump that much, it's just about my business and my family." That's bullshit and you know it.

Your business may not do as well as you would like because of this economic disaster and that may bother you somewhat, but you know you would love seeing the economy tank under Trump. Both things can be true at once.

As for being hate filled, I'll wager most on this forum will argue that betwixt you and I you're the hate filled one, but whatever fella. You do you!

Right, because 90% of this board subscribes to left-wing cliches about the world. What you have here (as with all left-wing environments) is a bunch of people who accuse others of being hateful when they themselves are infused with insane levels of hatred and bigotry.

Also, I appreciate you addressing the failure of the IMHE models. You are dodging that issue almost as much as BwokenWooWace dodges any detailed question about American foreign policy. In his case, it is because he knows nothing about the subject and he knows that he knows nothing about the subject. In your case, you know the IMHE model has failed and you simply don't want to admit it.

 

[Federberg]

I love how you run behind this "my business and my family" defense every time someone accuses you of obsessive hatred of Trump. You may care a lot about your business and your family. I don't doubt that. But you also passionately hate Trump and spend a lot of time on this board attacking him every which way. So it's completely disingenuous of you to say "oh I don't really care about Trump that much, it's just about my business and my family." That's bullshit and you know it.

I think Trump is a fraud and manifestly unfit to lead. Loathe? That's a little strong Frankly I would characterise my feelings as utter disbelief at the American electorate. The very idea that your next elections will be close is stunning to me.

 

[Federberg]

Also, I appreciate you addressing the failure of the IMHE models. You are dodging that issue almost as much as BwokenWooWace dodges any detailed question about American foreign policy. In his case, it is because he knows nothing about the subject and he knows that he knows nothing about the subject. In your case, you know the IMHE model has failed and you simply don't want to admit it.

I don't recall pushing the IMHE model. You don't get to determine what I choose to defend mate. Stand down...

 

[Federberg]

 

[britbox]

lol! You're not seriously claiming they're fake are you. Go to his twitter mate. April 17th. Or are you claiming the Deep State hacked his twitter? Folks will give the orange buffoon a pass on everything!

No, quite the opposite, I was saying the tweets were a good example of live ammunition to take Trump to task on.

Anyway, iit seems pointless having much of a conversation... with things being so blindly partisan.

 

[Federberg]

No, quite the opposite, I was saying the tweets were a good example of live ammunition to take Trump to task on.

Anyway, iit seems pointless having much of a conversation... with things being so blindly partisan.

are ok my bad. I misunderstood

 

[calitennis127]

I don't recall pushing the IMHE model. You don't get to determine what I choose to defend mate. Stand down...

Lol.....you are accusing me of making false predictions when I never made one, but then you refuse to discuss the model that is the basis for the economic shutdown policies you support? Okay then.....

The IMHE model was off as much as by a factor of 4 in terms of hospitalizations. And that is what the U.S. social distancing policies are based on. You clearly support those policies and yet you are saying nothing about the inaccuracy of the model.

If I was to make a prediction that was off by a factor of 4, you would never stop pointing it out. But when the policies you support are based on such an erroneous model you shrug your shoulders like it's no big deal.