Are you really going to equate making predictions about a sports event with a politician claiming what he can do?
In a sense, yes. If someone is predicting great things that he or she is going to do and then they don't pan out, that doesn't mean they were "lying." The question of whether someone is "lying" is a matter of knowledge and intent. The fundamental question is this: are you saying something that you know to be factually inaccurate? That is the question and it is almost always a reference to the past.
Obama said before the passage of Obamacare that if people liked their plan and their doctor they could keep them. Did that end up happening? No. But I would not say that he lied. I would just say that he and his advisers were unable to live up to their promise.
That is apples and oranges, and unlike others here, I don't actually think you're that stupid...just that shady.
Well, that's nice to know. Since you're into sharing personal opinions at the moment, allow me to tell you that I don't think you are nearly as well-informed as you think you are (same for teeinted the Beaver), and I think that Bwoken is a low-information bigot who cannot engage in any kind of sophisticated theoretical conversation. He just hurls epithets at anyone who says something he finds unpleasant or too challenging to address. He actually thinks, for instance, that anyone who thinks the United States is not a genocide machine is a red, white, and blue Kool Aid drinker. (For some reason, you don't have a problem with this even though he is targeting left-wing icons of the 20th century with that criticism.) He is a very simple, one-dimensional thinker who believes that anyone who challenges the sacred doctrines of his tiny little mental box is beyond the pale.
You can keep telling me what Trump thought he might be able to coax out of Mexico, but it doesn't change the fact that Mexico said it was never going to happen.
But that wouldn't be a lie. Go look at a dictionary: "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood." Failing to live up to a bold promise is not a "lie."
Also, Trump never said that Mexico had promised to make it happen.....lol. So why the f are you bringing up what Mexico said?
What Trump did was gin up his supporters on the idea of a wall, calling up jingoistic ideas and saying horrible and racist things about Mexicans, making some people feel that they needed a wall, and at the same time telling them it would cost them nothing.
Trump was not saying "racist" things about Mexicans unless you define "racism" as any criticism at all of any part of the Mexican population, even if it is justifed. When white people in the State Department criticize African countries for being "homophobic," are they being racist? According to your logic, they are.
All Trump said is that among a certain segment of the massive population of illegal immigrants in the U.S. there were some very hardened criminals. This is absolutely 100% true, given that Mexico has one of the highest rates of violent crime in the world and is run in large part by the cartels. If you follow the news in Mexico at all, you would know this.
This was cold political calculation, with nothing to back it up.
Oh there's a lot to back it up. There is ample crime data from the Southwestern states showing that a large portion of their prison populations consist of illegal aliens. I know you wish to characterize every illegal immigrant as an angel sent by God, but they are human beings just like everyone else - meaning there is good and bad with them, and that they do occasionally (believe it or not) have moral flaws and they're not all perfect saintly creatures looking to scrub tables and pick apples.
In so many ways, including the playing off of racism and fear of "the other."
Right.....so is that why Trump can't go a single rally or speech without touting the lowest Hispanic-American unemployment numbers ever achieved in American history? Is this why he said at the SOTU in 2019 that he wants to increase legal immigration?
To pretend that Trump was ever going to get that money out of Mexico is to blow smoke up even your own skirt. What "diplomacy" was ever going to make that happen?
Threatening tariffs and other economic measures, since Mexico is heavily dependent on the U.S. economically. Trump actually has coaxed some cooperation out of Mexico on the immigration issue by doing this. They have increased their military presence on the border.
Where Trump was wrong was in arguing that Mexico and the Mexican government were the main problem. His main opposition to building the wall was always going to come from white Democrats like yourself, not from Mexico.
Trump made Mexicans the 'enemy of the people,' here.
That's simply ridiculous. He never called out "Mexicans" as a generic group, not even a single time. His references were always to illegal immigration.
He called them rapists and criminals.
No, he was referring to how Mexico has pushed so many of its most troublesome elements to enter the U.S. illegally. This is the exact quote:
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Now, as clunky as this particular statement was, his essential point was that the Mexican government has been pushing much of its population to go to the U.S. because it has been unable to deal with major social problems at home. And there is a great deal of truth in that.
There aren't a "multitude of reasons" why Mexico didn't agree to pay for the wall, either in fact or in kind.
Yes there were, and the main reason was how vehement the opposition within the United States to the wall was. Trump was wrong to direct most of his ire at the Mexican government......the main impediment to the wall in the United States was and remains the Democratic Party, especially white Democrats like yourself who don't want to see the wall go up because it would violate your inner moral code.
