US Politics Thread

[Federberg]

Lol.....you really could not be more clueless or misinformed. Would a country that has no respect for Trump do this? Did they ever do this when Obama was president?

China to reduce import tariffs on 850 key commodities, including frozen pork, from January 1

China to reduce import tariffs on key commodities, including pork

Frozen pork, hi-tech components and medicines among more than 850 goods to have their import tariffs cut by China in the wake of the phase one trade deal with Washington.

www.scmp.com

Yes they would dumbass. Tariffs hurt ones own people. And Trump is the only President who was stupid enough to use tariffs as a part of his foreign policy toolkit

 

[calitennis127]

When Americans talk about terrorism and death of innocents, do they realize their country has caused more of that (in areas in which the US should have nothing to do with) than any other country in modern history?

Yes, some do, especially on the right. There are a lot of conservatives and libertarians who have been saying that for years. But you are too ignorant of the American political scene to know that. Don't blame me for your ignorance though. It's not my fault.

What's actually quite funny is that you sound exactly like Tucker Carlson and numerous guests of his on his Fox News program. Carlson has been consistently critical of Iran war hawks in Washington (including in the last week). One of his most frequent guests is Douglas MacGregor, a retired army colonel with a doctorate from the University of Virginia in international relations. MacGregor is a huge advocate of withdrawing American troops from the Middle East.

Your phrase "areas in which the U.S. should have nothing to do with" could have come straight from Carlson's show (and it would be condemned by white Democrats who you side with as "isolationist", btw). Now have you been secretly watching Fox News a lot lately? What's going on with you here?

Broken = Fox News non-interventionist. Look at how the world is changing everybody!

When people like Moxie champion Barrack fucking Obama, do they bother to think for a second about the poor Middle Eastern kids that were left fatherless, the wives that were widowed, the kids that were orphaned, the parents that lost their children because of him?

No they don't. You're absolutely right about that. White leftists in particular make gods out of their political heroes like Obama and Hillary and they don't dare to think about things like that. You are absolutely 100% right about Moxie. No disagreement here.

Or is the murder of innocents second rate if you're charismatic and charming?

Well what you are decrying is mostly the mentality of white American women who have completely superficial college degrees and tell themselves they are intellectual because they take a stand for so-called gay marriage. In reality, they get suckered in by Obama's smile just like any prostitute being solicited on the street. The white American female electorate - as epitomized by dodos like Nicole Wallace - will give any Democrat a pass simply because Democrats support the Democratic Party social agenda. As long as you support the divine LGBT community, then yes, like Obama, you can bomb weddings and drone civilians in the Middle East day and night and they will say that you are a loving person.

So again, no disagreement from me, You are on fire here.

That American presidents are psychopathic murderers has become so normalized that it no longer factors in in the way in which they're assessed, and that is fucking ludicrous.

I agree. And so do numerous non-interventionist conservatives and libertarians of whom are you unaware. Ever heard of Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan, just for starters (those are just two of the big names)? They have said exactly what you are saying for years.

EVERYTHING Suleimani is accused of, the US has done far worse. That's a fact. And that is the hypocrisy of the United States of America.

And numerous conservatives and libertarians on the dissident right (i.e. the intellectuals who support Trump) would totally agree with you. It's unfortunate that you don't even know who they are.

 

[calitennis127]

I wasn’t aware Mike Lee was a Democrat. Dumbass...

Like I said, there is nothing that a Democratic Party hack could say that you wouldn't believe. Lee is a single Republican and he doesn't even come close to representing the views of even a substantial minority of the Republican Party on this issue. Why is Lee such a hero all of a sudden? Democrats have bashed him for years and now they love him simply because they can co-opt his arguments against the Trump administration in this case.

At any rate, what Lee said specifically was that he felt the briefing given by the administration was not detailed enough. Other senators said they did get enough info. That was his opinion.

Personally, I think Lee is delusional in thinking that 1787 standards apply to how wars are conducted now. For one thing, "declaring war" is no longer a matter of calling the young boys out with their rifles to go fight France in a war between two countries with hundreds of thousands of troops. Hitting someone like Soleimani or al-Baghdadi requires the element of surprise. And Trump was absolutely right that telling someone like Adam Schiff about classified info would entirely defeat the purpose because Schiff would immediately leak it.

 

[calitennis127]

Yes they would dumbass. Tariffs hurt ones own people. And Trump is the only President who was stupid enough to use tariffs as a part of his foreign policy toolkit

Federberg, lol. Sometimes your cluelessness is so profound it is charming. How can someone not love a person who is as genuinely clueless as you are?

China has been using tariffs for decades and they have used them wisely to their advantage. If tariffs always and everywhere "hurt one's own people," then China would not have risen like they have in recent decades while making extensive use of tariffs.

Also, allow me to make you aware of something you don't know about.....in July 2018 the Financial Times ran a piece about how respected Trump is in China.

Now personally I respect the Chinese more than effeminate Britons like yourself, who come off like people who choked on their tea while enduring a weggie as their favorite British tennis player lost again in Wimbledon. Read and get informed.....the Chinese never had this much respect for Obama or the blathering buffoon Joe 30330 Biden.

The Chinese are wary of Donald Trump’s creative destruction

"Donald Trump is leading a double life. In the west, most foreign policy experts see him as reckless, unpredictable and self-defeating. But though many in Asia dislike him as much as the Europeans do, they see him as a more substantial figure. I have just spent a week in Beijing talking to officials and intellectuals, many of whom are awed by his skill as a strategist and tactician.

My interlocutors say that Mr Trump is the US first president for more than 40 years to bash China on three fronts simultaneously: trade, military and ideology. They describe him as a master tactician, focusing on one issue at a time, and extracting as many concessions as he can. They speak of the skilful way Mr Trump has treated President Xi Jinping. “Look at how he handled North Korea,” one says. “He got Xi Jinping to agree to UN sanctions [half a dozen] times, creating an economic stranglehold on the country. China almost turned North Korea into a sworn enemy of the country.” But they also see him as a strategist, willing to declare a truce in each area when there are no more concessions to be had, and then start again with a new front."

The Chinese are wary of Donald Trump’s creative destruction

The president is the first US leader in decades to challenge China on multiple fronts

www.ft.com

 

[calitennis127]

Seeing as Twitter is blocked in Iran, its probable that exiles who have a beef with the government are the ones liking it.

Yeah, and those exiles have friends and family in Iran whose opinions they reflect.

 

[calitennis127]

A) Twitter isn't available in Iran.

B) Read your own source. It doesn't say "the most liked tweet in Iran." It says the most liked Persian tweet. Meaning anyone could have liked the tweet, irrespetive of where they live or what their nationality is.

In other words, any Trump supporter could have liked the Tweet and it counts among the total tally.

Oh fucking please.....the average Trump tweet doesn't get anywhere near that many likes. Democrats in the United States would never like anything he says, nor would most Western Europeans. And countries that are generally favorable toward Trump (e.g. Hungary or Poland) do not have an immediate interest in what goes on in Iran. So who do you think was providing all the likes? Wait.....let's wait a minute for Federberg to blame Russian bots. Go ahead Federberg, let's hear it. It was the Russians who hacked Twitter! They are already influencing the 2020 election, aren't they???????

SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would have to agree with Britbox that a lot of Iranians outside of Iran were providing the likes. But they reflect the opinions of many people inside Iran who were protesting. It's not just Iranian exiles or emigrants who liked what Trump had to say.

So really to go based on that and make the claim you are making is insane.

I partially meant what I said in jest, but it appears to me that opinion in Iran is heavily divided about Soleimani. He had his admirers but he also had a lot of people who did not like him. I am content with acknowledging that. However, if you listened to the American media and the BBC tools who Federberg treats as sources of divine revelation, you would have believed in the last week that 99.9% of Iranians were absolutely, totally, and uncontrollably irate that the Trump administration had "assassinated" their favorite human being ever, Qassem Soleimani. And because of this reckless, crazy action, Donald Trump was going to start a massive 20-year with Iran and, as Federer promised, a slew of random assassinations against major government leaders around the world would ensue.

It appears none of that has come to pass.

That said, Suleimani isn't entirely well liked in Iran, neither is the Irani regime, but that's common knowledge around these parts.

Go tell that to the American media, the Obama administration, leading Western European officials, and Federbergy, all of whom screamed like hyenas last week about how Trump had angered 99.9% of the Iranian people by taking out their favorite person in the history of the world.

Federberg, by the way, is clearly furious that a larger war did not start and that Trump actually looks pretty good right now. Federberg was one of the people screaming loudest about how the hit on Soleimani would lead to war and now he is sitting there fuming because his fantasy did not come to pass.

 

[calitennis127]

Did I ever say that Obama was a saint or that he didn't pursue policies I didn't agree with?

Oh please.....if someone agrees with the LGBT agenda, there is no excuse you will not make for them. An LGBT believer could carry out a genocide and you would make an excuse that they did it with love in their heart.

We know this from a few examples.....such as this: the Obama administration bombed a wedding, yes, a fucking wedding in Yemen and Obama is revered as a saint/demi-god by the Democratic Party.

Don't you remember this story? So much for separating children from their families. Immigration authorities under Trump (and Obama) did that for a few minutes. Obama's drone strikes did that permanently.

Drone Strike in Yemen Hits Wedding Convoy, Killing 11
By Robert F. Worth
Dec. 12, 2013

Drone Strike in Yemen Hits Wedding Convoy, Killing 11 (Published 2013)

Most of the dead appeared to be suspected militants linked to Al Qaeda, tribal leaders said, but there were also reports that several civilians had been killed.

www.nytimes.com

But you're treading on Cali territory by dragging me in, unbidden, and inferring my beliefs. I don't even participate on this thread that often. I'd appreciate it if you'd both stop treating me like a football.

I won't fumble you Moxie, don't worry. I'm just trying to guide you into the end zone (that was a much better football analogy, btw, than the one used by the wobbling Botox model Nancy Pelosi talking about "special teams" in her press conference last week).

 

[Federberg]

Yeah, and those exiles have friends and family in Iran whose opinions they reflect.

I don't know why I bother engaging with you. You're a moron. We all know it. By responding we give you license to believe that we actually take you seriously. But really... why do you believe that the only people liking Trump's tweets are Iranians? I actually don't think that you believe that, even I don't believe you're this stupid. So I ask myself the question... why do we engage you. I think we're just bored. We shouldn't allow you to troll us, that's on us...

 

[Federberg]

Spying on a former sitting US Ambassador? What is this an episode of 24? How even GOP legislators haven't demanded the resignation of Pompeo is quite beyond me. This is madness. These people are traitors to their own country.

Text messages suggest Giuliani's associates put a tail on Ukraine ambassador Yovanovitch

Among the trove of information released to the House Intelligence Committee by indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas is a string of text messages that suggests Parnas and his cohorts were tracking the movements of U.S. Ambassador to the Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, who was a sharp critic of...

www.rawstory.com

 

[calitennis127]

I don't know why I bother engaging with you. You're a moron. We all know it. By responding we give you license to believe that we actually take you seriously. But really... why do you believe that the only people liking Trump's tweets are Iranians? I actually don't think that you believe that, even I don't believe you're this stupid. So I ask myself the question... why do we engage you. I think we're just bored. We shouldn't allow you to troll us, that's on us...

Federberg, the reason you engage is that you love getting slapped around and owned repeatedly. You are a masochist without realizing it. I have owned you repeatedly in all of these arguments - from Flynn to China to Iran to Russia. Apparently you are unaware that there is an Iranian diaspora of 2 to 4 million people outside of Iran, and many of them live in the West. All it would take is a small percentage of them to be internet-connected to provide the likes for Trump's tweet.

What do we know for sure? None of Trump's enemies in the U.S., Canada, or Western Europe would be liking his tweet. And let me break it to you that most of his supporters don't care enough about Iran that they would like his tweet far more than his other ones. So the likelihood of the Iranian diaspora which hates the Iranian regime providing those tweets is very high, since it would only require 5-10% of them to be Twitter-connected, which many of them are. As usual, you are completely stupid.

Speaking of how wrong you have been.....how about this story on Flynn that just broke?

Both you and Moxie can put this in your pipes and smoke it. You are both completely clueless (especially you Federberg).

It really is funny how Federberg tries so hard to understand politics but he can't.

Michael Flynn Moves to Withdraw Guilty Plea in About-Face After Extensive Cooperation

Michael Flynn Moves to Withdraw Guilty Plea in About-Face After Extensive Cooperation (Published 2020)

Once cited by the special counsel team as an exemplary cooperating witness, Mr. Flynn had grown increasingly combative in recent months.

www.nytimes.com

 

[calitennis127]

Spying on a former sitting US Ambassador? What is this an episode of 24? How even GOP legislators haven't demanded the resignation of Pompeo is quite beyond me. This is madness. These people are traitors to their own country.

Again, you are completely wrong, completely stupid, and completely misinformed and have it all backwards. Yovanovitch was the one spying on others. She is trying to deflect and cover it up by accusing her political opponents of doing exactly what she is guilty of (just as Hillary did with the Russian collusion charges):

Home | Sara A. Carter

Taking Back The Story

saraacarter.com

 

[calitennis127]

Because he pled guilty to the charge.

Welp.....Moxie, wrong again. You just love repeating mainstream media headlines that you think reflect "educated" opinion, don't you? It's funny how those headlines so often manage to fall apart a few weeks later, isn't it?

Enjoy this one Moxie. Self-righteousness can't cover up your lack of substantive knowledge of the issues, which was plain as day when it came to the Flynn matter. Yet again, your superficial read on the issues which comes from watching Saturday Night Live/Seth Myers and scanning "WaPo" headlines was misguided:

Flynn Asks To Withdraw Guilty Plea In Case Stemming From Mueller Probe

Flynn Asks To Withdraw Guilty Plea In Case Stemming From Mueller Probe

Michael Flynn, who held the post of national security adviser in the Trump administration for less than a month, was set to be sentenced on Jan. 28.

www.npr.org

 

[Federberg]

Again, you are completely wrong, completely stupid, and completely misinformed and have it all backwards. Yovanovitch was the one spying on others. She is trying to deflect and cover it up by accusing her political opponents of doing exactly what she is guilty of (just as Hillary did with the Russian collusion charges):

Home | Sara A. Carter

Taking Back The Story

saraacarter.com

I can't resist this one. You are aware aren't you that Judicial Watch is a conservative operation right? You absolute fucking moron.

 

[Federberg]

At the start of these Dem primaries I liked some of Warren's ppolicies, but it's become increasingly clear that she is shockingly politically tone deaf. I shudder to think what Trump would do to her if she won. This whole thing about whether women can win is just dumb. Focus on talking about Trump and why he's no good. The whole.. "it's a woman's turn thing" that HRC tried was off putting. I'm amazed she can't see that

 

[Moxie]

If you ask to withdraw a guilty plea, that means you did actually plead guilty. That's what I said. Putz.

 

[Federberg]

After listening to the Maddow-Parnas interview one would have to be a stone cold moron not to believe that Trump's actions are impeachable. Fortunately we don't have any idiots like that on this forum... ahem! B-)

 

[britbox]

After listening to the Maddow-Parnas interview one would have to be a stone cold moron not to believe that Trump's actions are impeachable. Fortunately we don't have any idiots like that on this forum... ahem! B-)

I'm not hugely interested in this (yet) because I think it's a lot of noise that will ultimately be quashed in the Senate. But I ask you this, is there anything that Trump has done here that hasn't *probably* been done by pretty much every other president, under the radar?

 

[brokenshoelace]

I'm not hugely interested in this (yet) because I think it's a lot of noise that will ultimately be quashed in the Senate. But I ask you this, is there anything that Trump has done here that hasn't *probably* been done by pretty much every other president, under the radar?

Agreed. I think the problem is Trump is really dumb about hiding how much of a criminal he is.

 

[Federberg]

I'm not hugely interested in this (yet) because I think it's a lot of noise that will ultimately be quashed in the Senate. But I ask you this, is there anything that Trump has done here that hasn't *probably* been done by pretty much every other president, under the radar?

Lol! This is your standard out isn't it? If Trump does something completely nuts... nothing to see here. Well respectfully I've never heard of anything on this scale, and so blatantly self serving since Nixon. There's bad policy for sure, but this is purely political self interest

 

[britbox]

Lol! This is your standard out isn't it? If Trump does something completely nuts... nothing to see here. Well respectfully I've never heard of anything on this scale, and so blatantly self serving since Nixon. There's bad policy for sure, but this is purely political self interest

So Trump is the first president to act in political self-interest since Nixon? OK, pal.... whatever. Standard out? Maybe check out my last post on Trump.

You're probably the last person to ask for any sort of balanced opinion on Trump, given your multitude of fake conspiracy theories over the last two years, so excuse quoting you in the first place...