That's too bad. Those things are hard to watch. I didn't know about it until just few minutes ago when I looked at news. Hopefully he'll get better soon.
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That's too bad. Those things are hard to watch. I didn't know about it until just few minutes ago when I looked at news. Hopefully he'll get better soon.
come already.
sometimes it's these other commentators themselves -- they just throw around words -- ''bias":
or say things like "oh - hi john -- welcome to the booth - i guess there won't be any concerns about bias" ...like -- hello was ANYBODY saying something about bias?
THEY COME up with little things like tha tand give the impression EVERYONE actually cares or noticed or even thought about it. when it's just them imagining their little words...just to say something...especially that dick enberg -- he does that - coming up with nonsense remarks, really.
I don't know Teddy, if you were asking me.
Didn't Becker quit commentating when he started working with Nole? I guess when they are in the inner circles of these players, they have more info about them than they normally would...
ya - maybe like that -- but it's more about avoiding giving the ''wrong impression' -- but really -- so what/ ? if they give a more or less professional assessment at the booth for both players especially avoiding a match of THEIR player -- nothing wrong about that. i think.
ll they need to do is give their professional observations on how this or that player might have done a better forehand, or tactic this or that. nothing wrong with it, imo.
people can be so PC.
We would call you Todor in Serbia too.
I might just start now.
If you feel like it and if you have some interesting photos, you could share them with us (pretty please) here:
http://discuss.tennis/tennisforum/threads/discuss-tennis-travel-adventures.919/#post-30868
IN FACT -- although certainly ''OUT OF BOOTH" - but he WAS asked to comment on the field...mouratoglou was on the verge os saying what could be deemed by some as ''controversial"
such as when he EXPLAINED what things he looks for in order to AGREE to coach a player -- AND THEN HE mentioned the difference between players who just have so much talent and those that have so much will -- and then some have both and others have talent but not ''fight' and so on and on..nothing that WE don't talk about all the time.
and almost blurted out ''names" among those with NOT SO MUCH TALENT but will ''and are in the top 10-20 i will not mention names".
haha.
Do you think good ol' Johnny can be totally professional and not show "bias"? I think he likes to bring up a lot of personal stuff about other players.
Schedule of play for Thursday (for the biggest courts):
AA at 1:00pm Granollers vs Murray (the only men's match during day) and then Johnson vs Del Potro at night (after Serena).
LA at 11: Nishikori vs Khachanov and the last match there Giannessi vs Wawrinka.
Grandstand: Thiem vs Berankis and not before 5:30pm Kyrgios vs Zeballos
Court 17: Karlovic vs Young and Fognini vs Ferrer
AA at 1:00pm Granollers vs Murray (the only men's match during day) and then Johnson vs Del Potro at night (after Serena).
LA at 11: Nishikori vs Khachanov and the last match there Giannessi vs Wawrinka.
Grandstand: Thiem vs Berankis and not before 5:30pm Kyrgios vs Zeballos
Court 17: Karlovic vs Young and Fognini vs Ferrer
We would call you Todor in Serbia too.
If you feel like it and if you have some interesting photos, you could share them with us (pretty please) here:
http://discuss.tennis/tennisforum/threads/discuss-tennis-travel-adventures.919/#post-30868
oh i LIKE that. i got used to it after a couple days (was there 2 weeks) at first i wasn't sure they were calling me - but someone would say --
"todor -- come i want to introduce you to my friend....etc.etc".
a slavic fellow poster friend online in another website told me it's the slavic way of calling someone in a friendly way. so i really feel honored even. and he said some would even make it in the 'familiar" and say ''todE". LIKE NolE. i like that...so nice..
i am so bad with photos and i NEVER even realized a cellphone can take photos - until that time and was never sure what i was ''snatching" - lol. i'm bad with these technie things. lol.
but i got a few at least...
the big NEVA river during the group outing that was like five hours on the ferry - even say the historic Navy, steam engine battle ship Czar Peter ship docking for that same night's big celebration and fireworks ..they're SO fond of fireworks - the russians. the museums - forget it -- magnificent, magnificent .orthodox churches SO BIG you feel like an ant..lol. st petersburg is truly beautiful, i tell you ..
BIG city , Sooooo clean ...soooo rich in history in EVERY block it's mindboggling...river ferries in so many rivers...romantic bridges of all sorts...people walking often holding hands, families, friends, couples...russians like to HUG - i noticed..so polite and so friendly and helpful...i loved it there.
everyday - there would always be people on the streets willing to help with directions or even WALK with me a couple of big blocks or more to make sure i was not lost...often strangers would even ask :"are you lost? do you need help ? " and then help me with my map..i love that country - that SLAVIC culture and their people.
in the ferry outing -- the girlfriend of one of the russian guys - we were sharing a table chatting away with a german and a french in our group -- and the girlfriend - from far north siberia - teasingly but half-serious told me
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"todooor...sascha and i want to tell you something..."
i said? sure....please tell me..
"u know todor...we are upset at you".
why? i'm sorry if i did something wrong..
"well...we are upset because we thought you are ignoring us..."
'but no - i was not maybe i'm just shy".
''no todor -- we thought you don't want to talk to us because you won't tell us what happened to your forehead -- your wound"...
(because in my hurry earlier that day - my eyes were on the map on thestreet and i FELL forward and had a nasty wound that just put napkin on with my spit, lol and didn't want to bother anyone)..
and THEY were upset that i didn't ask them to fix it. because i just went to a nearby pharmacy , got bandage (5 cents for five pieces, lol) - and put it on before joining the group outing...
that's what i mean about them -- they made me and all others that were foreigners feel like a person, u know? maybe that is a slavic trait.
haha -- indeed - he has a tendency - lol. he loves to talk and usually insert something about ''during my time of playing". hehe.
oh -- i grew up that way Moxie...strange though it might sound, coming from so far away, and so different - philipines...AND inthe south where we are mixed muslims and catholics and otherindigenous...
but my mom was a college educator and dean - and taught a lot of college subjects - humanities, math, economics, spanish, english literature, that kind of thing...so we grew up with lots of ''culture, literature, reading.. and geography and music arts, history, the world " stuff from her at home...since she was quite the highloy respected person in the big town..always bringing ideas and culture and that kind of thing...
and i grew up being encouraged to read about the world, and she'd bring home books from the college library or buy us sets of world literature - and then read to us pages from great works of the world...and one of them of course were those russian things
so i had an early exposure at least to ''learn to appreciate cultures" as she used to say...and ONE of HER favorites was russian works...she actually made me read ''WAR AND PEACE" by leo tolstoy when i was a teen, lol so we could discuss with my siblings the themes of great works like that. o'r 'brothers karamazov"..
and then like to her humanities classes about world culture - she'd bring recordings of classical music - naturally including russian and slavic cultures -- dvorak, smetana, rachmaninoff, along with beethoven, debussy.
painting, things like that.
but even in elementary school i was always so facsinated with those books in the library about countries - their fairy tales and the pictures and drawings...and i always loved the ones about russia...like the fairytale of ''The Firebird" WHICH is a mystical tale that is all throughout the whole SLAVIC culture -- something telling about the lesson of POWER and how it can be harmful if used wrongly...
i just feel close to their ''world' in some way...that whole slavic world, so to say. and russia happens to be central to it. it has a mystery to it that i find so beautiful. and so ROOTED in the land and nature.
and russians - now that i was there among them - REALLY are like that. they have this ''rootedness" to nature and the land and the surroundings..
you could find it in their writings, their poetry, the way they describe the world ..just the basic worldview is so dictated by what they call ''mother russia" . its rivers, its forests, the tiny flower of the red berry -- ''kalinka''..and there in st petersburg -- i began to udnerstand for real what i only read about since childhood.
they are a people - with such VAST multicultural and ethnic and religious ways -- that are so CONNECTED with each other that is indescribable.
you just have to be there to know what it means. it's a beautiful feeling really even just to watch it unfold ..
do you know? they have this habit...
where usually TEENAGERS - especially BOYS tend to become a little ''off" in ublic not to be seen walking with their parents?
russian teens are not like that - the BOYS -- i noticed so many - when walking in their outings , like shopping or something --
they WAIT for their mom -- and even walk around or back or catch up - and GRAB their mom's hand to hold her - as if to protect her...
WOMEN are ALWAYS given right of way -- men ALWAYS defer to the women..
in a crowd - like in our music event i was at - when guys would sometimes be talking too loudly outside a concert hall and something was playing while we at the lobby forgot we were being too loud --
ONE LOOK from a woman, even a teenager -- and ALL the russian men shut up like little boys that just got reminded of misbehaving...
i realized that russian men treasure their women like they are empresses and queens and will NOT tolerate anyone disrespecting a woman. they WILL beat you up for that. so many things really ..
and boy - DO they hold conversations of such high intellectual significance...amazing really.
and the food - my god -- not only so cheap - it\s like stealing compared to our money of course..but SO abundant and so good. genuine healthy food...the stores (they don't have the big mega-stores -- but maybe in moscow or somewhere else)
more like the neighborhood grocery ? but overflowing with food, food, food. lol. where you can find MILK OF ALL SORTS and wine of all kinds in the next shelf next to pastries you wouldn't believe..and then meats of every kind - right down to kosher and halal...whatever you want..
they are also VERY, very healthy and so athletic - you could spend all day just watching them walk past the hotel window right next to a big river - where i was - and look at lots of college students back and forth going to their institutes of technology or science, or agriculture or aerospace engineering..or philology (a VERY popular thing along with agriculture) - and you think:
"my god these are very, very athletic people" - and i am talking not just about college age people more grownup people too are like that.
children and youth are everywhere -- families going on outings is so common..and will always remember how on the two weekends i covered there -- especially young families with small or teenage kids coming out of the big buildings for their picnics - and the little ones Squealing in delight with their parents..with their hats and picnic boxes...so beautiful to see...and children adn youth everywhere in groups going to museums with their teachers...everywhere - it is like that. ....they make you WANT to become part of them, is what i can say.
the other foreigners in the event i had - from germany, france, poland, czech, scotland, ireland, japan, china, usa, iran. california told me they always go back year after year ( it was my first time ) because they couldn't get enough of it.
an iranian guy -- an engineer - but like us - also a classical pianist (this was a music event gathering of classical pianists) -
told me at the airport when we bumped at each other on the way back..
"i was always very shy and afraid to play and share my love for music -- but this single trip in russia i became a new person -- they all made me feel so important ..it has changed my life, these two weeks - and from now on - wheni go back to iran i will not be shy anymore ..maybe next year we should meet here again with the friends we made...and tell others to come".
but to summarize in a rough way -- if it's only of course just one city, st petersburg --
it's a very, very big - GRANDEOUS city with a very deep history -- old huge buildings that of course are updated inside to fit the modern world functions -- but it has a ''small town" feel to it...
and despite the modern world - cars, trams, electric buses - which explain the very, very clean air ..it's quiet and not noisy...you feel a sense of calm and peace...
and even in heavy rain or wind which can come quite fast...russians -- very chicly dressed women or business suits or ordinary work or everyday clothes?
they DO NOT RUN from rain. they stand right outside or sit and carry on with their conversation or walk as they do (which tends to be FAST walkers) - as if nothing was the matter.
i even saw from my 3rd floor street front and riverfront window ferry boats loading wedding parties WHILE it was raining..the party goes on! who cares - the bride and groom go on drinking their wine and hugging the family and friends ..lol...they are a people who are not easy to frighten, let's put it that way. lol.
the more updated fixtures in buildings - (i tend to be observant about these things) -
for example:
you walk in the hotel room (the hotel being in an EVEN larger huge building from old times - since most buildings in the main city are like that - and the spanking highrises are designated outside in other islands of the city) -
and you wonder where the light switch is as you reach up at chest level like we normally do elsewhere?
in russia now - they designed it so you merely walk in with your hands hanging down like normal and it's at that exct height that the button is - which is not a knob thtat can snag your dress - or bags - but just a slight protrusion from the wall - that your palm or back of the and can tap lightly ...or a child can easily reach...
even the toilet seats are measured so that a person doesn't have to ''drop" down hard to sit or struggle to straighten up to stand...and the depth of the toilet bowl is designed so you will NEVER (if guy) ''touch" any of the bowl surface or feel that iqqy splash back up - it is manufactured DEEP so the water swirls straight down and quietly...
the chinese one from taiwan or hongkong insisted one night to treat me to a late fancy dinner at her hotel's restaurant -- one of the very expensive hotels where big global business people come - chinese, japanese, etc..--
and i went downstairs for the men's room to wash-up...
and as i left the big wide stairs - and looke dright and left for a door saying 'men's room' -- thiS gorgeous huge wooden wall swished open quietly - revealing an alcove entrance and deeper inside it washbasins with colognes and towels and baskets with flowered perfumes, electric sockets for shaving...blah, blah, blah - and then the toilets and stalls..
as they ''upgrade" -- they keep this very russian trait of making things
:'"built around the human" rather than the human has to adjust to the machine...and as i made sure i would be very attentive to their ways...i realized they are VERY fast workers, so quick and efficient, it's unbelievable. which THEN leaves them plenty of time to be relaxed and nobody bothers them. saw it whether in offices, or city workers fixing electric cables fallen in the water from the winds or rain..or fixing a street - while NEVER making the street inaccessible for pedestrians - or waiters and waitresses or the men working on the ferries loading and unloading groups - and then swiftly cleaning after , re-arranging the chairs on deck again.r.eady for the next -- fixing the ropes and then -- lying on the deck to sunbathe or jump in the water ...where ducks and birds and seagulls float and do their hunting or eating seaweed . lol...
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If they called you Todore they were not Russians but probably some Yugoslavs, Serbian speakers. Russian vocative is the same as nominative, while Serbian vocative of Todor is Todore (same as basic Latin vocative, with e added to the stem).
Great we will address you Todore from now on or Tosho (vocative of Tosha, short of Todor).
However even Todor is twisted Greek version of the name. The original, Slavic name is Bozhidar, meaning God's gift and nickname is Bozha.
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There are 6 cases in Russian, 7 in Serbian. Latin ablative covered Serbian instrumental and locative, so they had 6 as well. For example, this is how you change Nadal in Serbian:
Nominativ "Nadal"
Genitiv "od Nadala" ( from Nadal)
Dativ "Nadalu" (to Nadal)
Akuzativ "Nadala" (who or what you see? Nadal)
Vokativ "hej Nadal" (hey Nadal)
Instrumental "sa Nadalom" (with Nadal)
Lokativ "o Nadalu" (about Nadal)
Above is singular, you have another set for plural.
HAHA -- SO NICE of you to educate me more, Mastoor ..same with Billie.
i think the online friend i have in a news-site -- he might be serbian or serbian speaking...he explained something about me as 'todorE".
and definitely the russians in st peterstburg called me something of one of these ways. of course i can only really guess. but i was also curious - because before i flew there - was practiced how to read the alphabet a little bit - and to practice - i was copying the alphabet and writing my name that way -
and in my visa - it is a ''long version" - as i match them character by character to my english spelled name...
and then in st petersburg - my MIGRANT card (which is just a small piece of paper they give you at customs and you are supposed to surrender that when you leave -- and you show it to your hotel or ''host" -- in russia for foreigners - it is the hotel or place of accommodations -- or people who you live with that will be your ''sponsor" that's it)
a nd in the migrant card my name was ''spelled" in cyrillic differently - like 'shortened" - so maybe it became TODOR hehe..
I remember in a museum where this musical gathering met for main schedules -
there were two museums separated by a restaurant/cafe with outdoor inner courtyard inside the huge building - popular among tourists that are already familiar with the city -
and the NABOKOV museum - vladimir nabokov who wrote the famous influential novel about the modern woman - LOLITA that was made into a famous movie - was one of his family's ancient homes...and in it were levels of course room after room with art works, books, workshops, carpentry classes for youth ...and magnificent grand pianos everywhere that we were assigned to practice in when we wanted...
and the receptionist in that nabokov museum - since she was now familiar with us -
one time - while it was raining outside and i stood outside to smoke and see what i wanted to do the rest of the day -- she came out and opened the door and called me something like that -- todor or something and took my hand to come in (all in russian of course) - and not be in the rain and sit down and look at the museum's other rooms that she then showed me to while my time. like a mommy. lol.
another day -- i decided that instead of walking to the usual event place - probably 30 minutes slow walk but that's the point of knowing the city..after all....i'd take the bus for the first time and learn how to count the rubles and coins...and kopecks...
so when i was standing at the bus stop -- and showing my hand with map up - i could see the electric bus come down , crossing the riverbridge and already
teh bus driver was smiling like they were amused - and opened the door at once - and spoke inr ussiand pointing to his back and a matronly woman with an apron and money belt came rushing to meet me -- and showed me how to pay - which bill - and taught me counting ...
"adzim, dva, tri...et...forgot four...pesh"
and gave me my little ticket. and THEN held my hand to follow her to the middle of the bus and motioned and talked to sit next to her!! while motioning
"one - two, three street crossings (big , big blocks in the city, really) "
and where to go down which direction and so on..and the other passengers when i look at them - smiling and nodding as if to assure me i was going to be OK...as the lady kept talking to them excitedly. hehe...
and some days later -- i rode the bus again - and SHE was there again, same bus -- and when i walked up io learned already how to pay ...and she hugged me and turned me around to face everyone like introducing me...hehe...and same thing - the passengers would wave goodbye as i got off the bus..maybe because she already told them the ''story". it was really nice.
oh my god -- MOXIE -- so glad you mentioned that. i think you are right to take it to travel forum -- but i don't know how to do that!!
as usual -- i'm out of control, lol!!
but whatever works with anyone, only i don't know how to di these things myself. and i'm lazy that way, hehe.
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In official Russian vocative is definitely the same as nominative, but when you talk to Russians, what they say is often typically Serbian rather than Russian. No wonder if you know their ancestors were immigrants from Balkans ..
that's so amazing -- all i know is that russian and slavic languages are very complex with many layers of meaning...i had a russian piano professor long ago - and he insisted i must begin learning russian and he started me on it - but then he had to leave the place he taught in - he was a true ''ussr" person that just couldn't adjust to the ''western'' style of survival and actually began to lose his mind and , so tragically lost his job, and all that.
but of all of my music education teachers (and i've been around among world-class famous names, really -- but no need to talk about that here) - he truly was the most genuinely artistic of them all...we just never knew what happened to him...but he wanted me to prepare to go to russia when he would then write his old colleagues there - but that was long ago)
it's just that thing about the peoples of that ''world" - imo only ...it's like the way we SAW NOLE - such PAIN he felt when he lost to DELPO? it's not about just HIM - or his career - but SOMETHING else - as if he knew HIS fellow serbs and slavs were feeling that pain with him...russians seemed to me to be like that too...what i like to call that ''unspoken connection" ....
oh yes -- about their origins. that i always knew -- the ''kievan russ" or something - which is why they established ''russia" in kiev as the original capital..and only later -- to avoid all the conflicts in the european region - decided to 'go east' .
it's amazing not just the russian but the ENTIRE BALKAN and SLAVIC world story is - to me anyway. i always really loved it since i was a kid...although i never really of course understood when my mom long ago would sometimes teach us at home or get our attention to the peoples and culture there ..showing how much she admired their dances, their songs, cultures, etc...and say
"teddy, tony, binky, rose - come look at this -- this is a picture of the people in this region - itis called balkans - see their costumes? they have these famous people like Tesla..and in russia there is this ballerina named maya plisetskaya...and this is the picture of the composer borodin -- and leo tolstoy wrote this big book - war and peace, do you know who he was?"
that's how i grew
up with these things basically.
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I don't know for the others , but I didn't feel any pain, despite my friend @brokenshoelace explaining to me that Olympic gold is above everything else and with 2 golds Murray is already a GOAT.
I only hoped he'll be able to play soon and defend his #1.
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That's nice. I think their history says it was some 5,300 years ago (Lomonosov in his history of Russian people). i think that coincides with Alexander the Great's God exiting Balkans to teach the people from Balkans to India, about agriculture, viticulture, metallurgy and God knows what else. So my theory is that ancestors ofall those Russian, Poles, Czechs and whatever other Slavs are outside Balkans followed that leader.
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