US Open Day 6: Saturday, August 30

[nehmeth]

A quick refresher. I believe Kohly once beat Novak in RG.

He can do it on a good day.

1-4 h2h, but he can stay with Novak in their matches. Should be a good one to watch.

 

[Front242]

42 aces to 13 and he loses!

... and more than 70 winners to Isner compared to around 50 for Kohly.

Yup. Crazy stats and a showcase example of winning the important points. Huge differences in numbers and yet the guy with lower stats won.

 

[herios]

A quick refresher. I believe Kohly once beat Novak in RG.

He can do it on a good day.

You wish. That version of Nole who lost to PK in 2009 is history. He is a different player now.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Thought Andy played alright today, hopefully he can step it up slightly with Tsonga then Djokovic in prospect...

So, what was all that injury stuff in Match 1. Has he fully recovered from whatever it was?
I have not seen his recent matches and so am asking?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

A quick refresher. I believe Kohly once beat Novak in RG.

He can do it on a good day.

You wish. That version of Nole who lost to PK in 2009 is history. He is a different player now.

Give Kohly, the Novak of Toronto or Cincy and he will do the job.

That is all I am saying.

 

[Front242]

He wasn't in Toronto and Cincy. This is the first real test of his form this tournament. I didn't watch the match against Querrey but he's surely playing well to beat a good server with that scoreline in any case.

 

[Front242]

Thought Andy played alright today, hopefully he can step it up slightly with Tsonga then Djokovic in prospect...

So, what was all that injury stuff in Match 1. Has he fully recovered from whatever it was?
I have not seen his recent matches and so am asking?

Just cramping. Loads of players have had cramping so far this tournament, the worst of course being Steve Johnson who had to quit his match.

 

[mrzz]

42 aces to 13 and he loses!

... and more than 70 winners to Isner compared to around 50 for Kohly.

Yup. Crazy stats and a showcase example of winning the important points. Huge differences in numbers and yet the guy with lower stats won.

Remember that they count the aces on the winner's stats (which I think is pretty stupid). Take the aces out and Kohlscreiber has more winners. And it still includes the "service winners", which is something I always forget what actually means.

By the way, saw the last set TB, PK seemed to know exactly what he was doing.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Being the second place finisher in the Mighty US Open Series (thanks to the new rules
as per which you get your points doubled if you are stupid), John Isner gets the magnificient
bonus prize of $20,000 for losing in the third round courtes of Emirates Airlines. :snigger

 

[nehmeth]

A quick refresher. I believe Kohly once beat Novak in RG.

He can do it on a good day.

You wish. That version of Nole who lost to PK in 2009 is history. He is a different player now.

Give Kohly, the Novak of Toronto or Cincy and he will do the job.

That is all I am saying.

You could give my elderly father Toronto/Cinci Novak and he'd win too. Haven't seen that incarnation of him here though. :nono

 

[GameSetAndMath]

42 aces to 13 and he loses!

... and more than 70 winners to Isner compared to around 50 for Kohly.

Yup. Crazy stats and a showcase example of winning the important points. Huge differences in numbers and yet the guy with lower stats won.

Remember that they count the aces on the winner's stats (which I think is pretty stupid). Take the aces out and Kohlscreiber has more winners. And it still includes the "service winners", which is something I always forget what actually means.

By the way, saw the last set TB, PK seemed to know exactly what he was doing.

service winners is a point won by means of an unreturned serve. An Ace is a special
case where it is not even touched. If the ball gets touched, but does not make it to
the other side, it is not an ace but a service winner.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Now that Isner got whipped by Kohly, I would like Nishikori to do the same thing to Milos. :idea:

 

[mrzz]

service winners is a point won by means of an unreturned serve. An Ace is a special
case where it is not even touched. If the ball gets touched, but does not make it to
the other side, it is not an ace but a service winner.

Thanks GSM.

P.S. I knew it. I was just testing if you knew it too.

 

[Front242]

Being the second place finisher in the Mighty US Open Series (thanks to the new rules
as per which you get your points doubled if you are stupid), John Isner gets the magnificient
bonus prize of $20,000 for losing in the third round courtes of Emirates Airlines. :snigger

It's all he deserves with the bs new rules for that bonus.

 

[golds girl]

Now that Isner got whipped by Kohly, I would like Nishikori to do the same thing to Milos. :idea:

Hmmm...Kohly has that experience and strategic thought to take down a big server...dunno whether Kei is there yet:s

 

[Front242]

Kei has a big serve himself. A lot will come down to his fitness which he said himself was questionable coming in but he's doing well so far so hopefully he'll be fine out there.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Being the second place finisher in the Mighty US Open Series (thanks to the new rules
as per which you get your points doubled if you are stupid), John Isner gets the magnificient
bonus prize of $20,000 for losing in the third round courtes of Emirates Airlines. :snigger

It's all he deserves with the bs new rules for that bonus.

I am not saying he deserves more, obviously not. What I was trying to point out was this:
For losing in 3rd round of USO, a player gets $105,000. On the other hand, if one
goes one step further and reach 4th round, they get $187,000, a whopping
$82,000 more. So, it actually pays off lot more the further you go at USO
(even if you know that you are not going to win or reach the F or SF for that matter)
in comparison to the puny little bonus challenge prize money. But, players like John
Isner and some others become penny wise and pound foolsih (or should I say
cent wise and dollar foolish) and focus so much on winning the US Open Series
at the expense of performing well at USO itself.

 

[Front242]

Being the second place finisher in the Mighty US Open Series (thanks to the new rules
as per which you get your points doubled if you are stupid), John Isner gets the magnificient
bonus prize of $20,000 for losing in the third round courtes of Emirates Airlines. :snigger

It's all he deserves with the bs new rules for that bonus.

I am not saying he deserves more, obviously not. What I was trying to point out was this:
For losing in 3rd round of USO, a player gets $105,000. On the other hand, if one
goes one step further and reach 4th round, they get $187,000, a whopping
$82,000 more. So, it actually pays off lot more the further you go at USO
(even if you know that you are not going to win or reach the F or SF for that matter)
in comparison to the puny little bonus challenge prize money. But, players like John
Isner and some others become penny wise and pound foolsih (or should I say
cent wise and dollar foolish) and focus so much on winning the US Open Series
at the expense of performing well at USO itself.

True but Kohli probably had his number either way. It's not like Isner is known for his explosive fitness and swan like movement Doubt he'd have fared any better not playing Winston-Salem really.

 

[crystalfire]

soo glad isner lost. hate his style

 

[Front242]

Would like Kyrgios to win this but I expect Robredo to win.