The Fall of Rafael Nadal

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Rafa has basically spelled this out but evidently very few are willing to listen.

He has said at least 20 times now that he doesn't care if he wins or loses.
I'm not sure what you're quoting, but Rafa says a lot of things in pressers that are mild and don't mean much. He has also said that he loves winning more than he even loves tennis, which is what I believe. He is highly competitive. He won't even play golf for fun. Fred Couples, I think it was, played a round of golf with him in IW a few years back and was struck by how intensely he competes. Whatever it is that is getting in Rafa's way at the moment, I don't think it's drive or will to win.
 

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This "Rafa doesn't practice and is lazy" narrative might honestly be one of the most ridiculous takes on Nadal I've heard in a long while.
 
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It was the subtropical heat.

He is too unfit.

But the blind worshippers would never know.

They have him winning RG even as he shows he can barely last a set.

this is not rocket science. He does not care to win.

there is only one question remaining:

How long does he allow anybody and everybody to hand him his ass before he exits.

Nalbandian made it clear but he is not the only one.

It is clay or the exit.

with this fitness only thing that can happen is an injury.

Nothing is going to happen on clay.
No game plus no fitness can only lead to mounting losses.

And a lucky win here and there.
 

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It was the subtropical heat.

He is too unfit.

But the blind worshippers would never know.

They have him winning RG even as he shows he can barely last a set.

this is not rocket science. He does not care to win.

there is only one question remaining:

How long does he allow anybody and everybody to hand him his ass before he exits.

Nalbandian made it clear but he is not the only one.

It is clay or the exit.

with this fitness only thing that can happen is an injury.

Nothing is going to happen on clay.
No game plus no fitness can only lead to mounting losses.

And a lucky win here and there.

Who has Nadal winning the FO? Saying he's still among the favorites and saying he's the favorite are two different things.
 

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A man that was born to win slams ever since he was a teenager and had been winning them for a decade is not enjoying losing time and again to unknown players.

he just can't figure out when to exit.

The money is too good and getting bigger and the spotlight is good.

He is not enjoying getting his ass handed to him.

it is horse crap. I know he says that he is enjoying the game. It is lip service.

He based his entire life and his career on fighting battles and winning them.

He is not really happy but what would a blind worshipper know.

Rafa just has not figured out the exit point yet.

I said very clearly last year that 2016 would be far worse with the game and fitness he bringing and it has.


This is not rocket science. he can't win anything at all in this state.

He is getting worse, not better.

And it is by design. just too tall a mountain to climb. He doesn't feel like climbing it.

he looks lost and he looks like a beaten man.

and it is only because he has not figured out the exit point.
 

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Lol! This must be a comedy thread. I could swear I read someone saying that Rafa isn't even playing top 100 tennis? I guess rankings don't matter anymore!
 
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I swear if samson advertises a product I could legit mistake his posts for spam.
 

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General Clay Death has been telling like it is.
These days, every player has to be very fit if they want to be near the top.
The topspin player needs even more. They need tremendous fitness and repetition to hone their game.
How each player does their training may be a bit different, but some put in the hard work in tough conditions so that matches will be easy by comparison.
The players who still want to be at the top are putting in the work.

Look at this recent interview regarding Federer's work ethic in Dubai (pre-AO):
Interviewed by L'Equipe, Emmanuel Planque, Lucas Pouille's coach, spoke about Pouille's practice session with Roger Federer and his team in Dubai and how beautiful the experience was.

'It's not only a question of money. There, the working conditions were extraordinary....
We mixed with Roger, Severin Lüthi (his coach) and Pierre Paganini (his physio),'
he said. 'For us, they're examples, guiding lights.
We've watched Roger work. You think everything comes easily. But it's exactly the opposite.
He's associating volume and quality. We didn't realize so much work was involved.
We couldn't believe it. I saw sessions from 1 PM to 9 PM where Roger finished by taking off his shorts and socks and walking directly to the ice bath with a towel wrapped around himself.
He was that cooked. Seeing that, for us that was education.'


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1 pm to 9pm. 8 hours in the heat of Dubai. Now people should know why Roger doesn't sweat much.
This is one of the world's greatest players who has already accomplished so much,
He's in his 35th year, (completes it Aug 8), yet he keeps working hard because he wants to stay relevant and knows there is always a chance if someone like Novak slips.
He is providing an example to the younger players like France's Pouille.



Of course, hopefully he stays away from people with viruses in the future so he doesn't catch anything, and he has to be fortunate with staying away from freakish injuries ;)

To be a factor on clay, one has to have the fitness foundation. There is no other way.
At Federer's age, in this current period, it is very difficult to be fit enough for a serious run on the clay at Roland Garros or even the Plexicushion surface at the AO.
Wimbledon is probably his best bet, but it doesn't mean he can't win elsewhere if things fall his way and he has prepared properly to take advantage.

To me, it looks like Rafa has other plans that don't involve tennis for much longer.
I think after his big 2013, he was satisfied with his career, and then after the Australian Open in 2014, he took a fork in the road.
He won his 9th RG in 2014 mostly on his fitness from 2013 and reputation/ability on clay, and that was it.
Can he stop the fall? Yes, he is one of the greatest, but even the greatest have to work hard to do it, and maybe he just doesn't have the same desire anymore.
We'll see if something changes.

Respectfully,
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My indicators are different from the blind worshippers and always have been.

I saw the drop in form and fitness in 2011. He has been shedding form and fitness ever since the end of 2010.

First of all I played with heavy topspin off both wings so I know what is involved in trying to win with this particular style of play.

one of my indicators is the long rally as the sport of tennis has evolved. Now the war simply must be waged from the baseline.

win the long rally and you win the match. You just have win majority of the long rallies in order to break their spirit and bend their will.

If you want to win the long rally then you have to be in every point as much as possible. every point.

and that requires supreme fitness.

Rafa started to lose the long rally in 2011. he started to lose the control of the long rally in 2011. this was tied to lack of optimal and supreme fitness required for his style of play. He started to get more and more tired for instance. He would eventually start to take more and more time in between points.

ultimately lack of optimal fitness caused more and more injuries as well which further slowed him down.

More later.
 

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First of all I played with heavy topspin off both wings so I know what is involved in trying to win with this particular style of play.

You're basing your take on what is going on with Nadal on...your own personal experience? General, you have officially jumped the shark.
 
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suppose not, I saw a pic from him being checked out by doctors in Barcelona or somewhere..had his wrist bandaged, bit of a surprise.
No, he's talked about getting dizzy at the end of the first set, and then feeling increasingly worse. It was either heat exhaustion or the bug that was going around or a combination. The bandage on the hand/wrist is a surprise. Not sure if we know what that is yet, but I don't think it's why he retired in that match.
 

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A man that was born to win slams ever since he was a teenager and had been winning them for a decade is not enjoying losing time and again to unknown players.

he just can't figure out when to exit.

The money is too good and getting bigger and the spotlight is good.

He is not enjoying getting his ass handed to him.

it is horse crap. I know he says that he is enjoying the game. It is lip service.

He based his entire life and his career on fighting battles and winning them.

He is not really happy but what would a blind worshipper know.

Rafa just has not figured out the exit point yet.

I said very clearly last year that 2016 would be far worse with the game and fitness he bringing and it has.


This is not rocket science. he can't win anything at all in this state.

He is getting worse, not better.

And it is by design. just too tall a mountain to climb. He doesn't feel like climbing it.

he looks lost and he looks like a beaten man.

and it is only because he has not figured out the exit point.

so you want him to retire? who next can you spam on then? :)
 

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The last report I've read is that Rafa had the bandage on his hand before to go to the clinic of his Doctor Cotarro and then he left the clinic without the bandage saying "everything is ok, I'm ready for the clay"
I hope he didn't hurt his wrist playing golf, it could be a little too much.."
 

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I read that he could be back to training tomorrow, hope his wrist isn't painful anymore
 

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Like general masterclass and I have mentioned previously, it is just one pathetic decision after another.

There was absolutely no need to go to Miami. It was a total waste of time and it could lead to injury.

But then who but the blind worshippers actually believe that he cares to chase titles anymore.
 

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At the current rate I am not even sure he will show up in Paris.

time will tell.
 

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My indicators are different from the blind worshippers and always have been.

I saw the drop in form and fitness in 2011. He has been shedding form and fitness ever since the end of 2010.

First of all I played with heavy topspin off both wings so I know what is involved in trying to win with this particular style of play.

one of my indicators is the long rally as the sport of tennis has evolved. Now the war simply must be waged from the baseline.

win the long rally and you win the match. You just have win majority of the long rallies in order to break their spirit and bend their will.

If you want to win the long rally then you have to be in every point as much as possible. every point.

and that requires supreme fitness.

Rafa started to lose the long rally in 2011. he started to lose the control of the long rally in 2011. this was tied to lack of optimal and supreme fitness required for his style of play. He started to get more and more tired for instance. He would eventually start to take more and more time in between points.

ultimately lack of optimal fitness caused more and more injuries as well which further slowed him down.

More later.

Here's where I get lost. Nadal regained his world #1 standing in June 2010, kept it until June 2011 -- his longest consecutive weeks at number 1 if I'm not mistaken.

He's also won the FO, Wimbledon and the USO in 2010 and he's won 5 more Slams since the beginning of 2011 - so half of his Slam count comes during the time you say he started dropping form and fitness and has been shedding ever since.

Isn't this just a natural arc of a professional athlete?

Roger is running a similar arc right now. Novak will go through the same thing unless he retires abruptly due to injury or other outside influences.

"Optimal" and "supreme" fitness is simply unsustainable no matter what kind of heart or determination an athlete has. The human body sooner or later cannot withstand the rigors of training to that level. If it could, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Pele et al. would still be dominating their sports.