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[Moxie]

Hey, leave my joke alone!

(it is not even mine, I translated it only). I believe it is a pleonasm, not a tautology (commenting on the above). In my mind a pleonasm is just repetition, while a tautology implies circular logic.

Now that you say it, I think it was a pleonasm. I think I will spend my life distinguishing between them.

 

[mrzz]

@Ricardo, "defenestrated" means exactly "thrown out of the window". That´s the joke... it is silly but I still laugh out of it.

 

[Moxie]

@mrzz I rather love a silly joke, and appreciated yours.

 

[mrzz]

Not circular logic, but simply that you used too many words. Now that you say it, I think it was a pleonasm. I think I will spend my life distinguishing between them.

I checked and, grammatically, you are right, and I am wrong, as usual.

However, I have an excuse. Tautology, in philosophy, usually implies a circular argument. "A tautological argument". That is were I get it from...

In a day to day context, I would use pleonasm as a "simple" repetition of meaning, and leave "tautology" for a long, repetitive phrase or paragraph. But that´s just me.

 

[Moxie]

I checked and, grammatically, you are right, and I am wrong, as usual.

However, I have an excuse. Tautology, in philosophy, usually implies a circular argument. "A tautological argument". That is were I get it from...

In a day to day context, than, I would use pleonasm as a "simple" repetition of meaning, and leave "tautology" for a long, repetitive phrase or paragraph. But that´s just me.

No, I think you are right, as I tried to correct above. It was a pleonasm...repetition of the same thing. Perhaps we can get a judgement on it.

 

[mrzz]

That it was a pleonasm, yes, that was clear... but I was sure tautology always implied circular logic, and found out that it is not the case.

 

[Federberg]

Now that you say it, I think it was a pleonasm. I think I will spend my life distinguishing between them.

Yes I guess I missed the nuance before. Always nice to learn

 

[Moxie]

Yes I guess I missed the nuance before. Always nice to learn

Some things are easier to spot than others.

 

[Ricardo]

Moxie has very hairy 'bits'....

 

[Moxie]