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[Federberg]

Speak to Steve Flink and Joel Drucker (real historians) and ask them the following question:

"Would you say that guys who claim Roy Emerson is greater than Pancho Gonzales, to have a high level knowledge of tennis history?"

I'm pretty confident you'd get a negative answer.

Mate... they are journalists not emeritus professors. Good grief you can't assign them intellectual prowess they don't have. These guys have made their careers seeking the opinions of a class of people who know more about the sport than they do. Players! I very much doubt they would hold their own opinions to be of higher value than a pro. Yes they are likely to believe in their record keeping more than a players recollection, but I guarantee you if a Rod Laver sat down with them and argued the case for Emerson over Gonzales (don't get your knickers in a twist I'm presenting a hypothetical) they would instantly defer. A true historian would not

 

[Obsi]

Mate... they are journalists not emeritus professors. Good grief you can't assign them intellectual prowess they don't have.

What's wrong with you? What intellectual prowess do I assign them?

These guys have made their careers seeking the opinions of a class of people who know more about the sport than they do. Players!

A pro is an expert on playing tennis and that's a different expertise area from tennis history.

I guarantee you if a Rod Laver sat down with them and argued the case for Emerson over Gonzales (don't get your knickers in a twist I'm presenting a hypothetical) they would instantly defer.

No, they wouldn't.

 

[Federberg]

^Maybe "intellectual" was the wrong word. Scholastic prowess would be more accurate. You called them "real historians", they're just journalists.

Anyway.. if that's your opinion, that's your opinion. I respectfully disagree. No harm no foul

 

[Obsi]

^Maybe "intellectual" was the wrong word. Scholastic prowess would be more accurate. You called them "real historians", they're just journalists.

You don't have to possess academic credentials in order to be a real historian. If you are an expert on tennis history you are a real historian.

Steve Flink and Joel Drucker are historians and journalists.

 

[Federberg]

You don't have to possess academic credentials in order to be a real historian. If you are an expert on tennis history you are a real historian.

Steve Flink and Joel Drucker are historians and journalists.

So you say mate. So you say!

 

[Obsi]

So you say mate. So you say!

"Steve Flink a distinguished tennis historian and journalist"
https://www.tennisfame.com/blog/2017/1/ithf-class-of-2-01-7-announced/

Who in the tennis community disputes that?

 

[Federberg]

If you want to take his word as gospel, then go for it. No skin off my nose. Enjoy!

FYI, In the UK Liberal Democratic politicians have been calling Vince Caborn an expert on economic affairs . People market themselves in specific ways. I'm starting to understand why people feel they can get away with things like that

 

[Obsi]

If you want to take his word as gospel, then go for it. No skin off my nose. Enjoy!

FYI, In the UK Liberal Democratic politicians have been calling Vince Caborn an expert on economic affairs . People market themselves in specific ways. I'm starting to understand why people feel they can get away with things like that

Who disputes that Flink is a historian?

 

[Ricardo]

Who disputes that Flink is a historian?

just so you should know, Federberg isn't very bright....but he always tries hard

 

[Federberg]

^Bwahahaha! The enemy of my enemy is my friend right? Such a little boy..

 

[Ricardo]

^Bwahahaha! The enemy of my enemy is my friend right? Such a little boy..

what did i say wrong?

1. you are not bright
2. you always try to sound smart

Both are correct, simple facts stated

 

[mrzz]

Do you guys actually remember why the hell you quarrel that much or is it just on auto-pilot already?

 

[Moxie]

I can tell you one reason: because Federberg dared to betray his gender and find reasonable arguments on equal pay for the women. "Shemaleberg" sound familiar? So Ricardo put him on his hit-list, which means endless bile and insult for no reason.

 

[mrzz]

^He did WHAT? Oh that freaking traitor! He should be defenestrated and then thrown out of the window.

But I actually doubt that he found a good reasonable argument on equal pay, because I doubt there is one....

 

[Moxie]

^He did WHAT? Oh that freaking traitor! He should be defenestrated and then thrown out of the window.

But I actually doubt that he found a good reasonable argument on equal pay, because I doubt there is one....

I know, right? Women are just a slender appendage taken out of Adam's Rib. When WILL we learn our place?!

 

[mrzz]

I know, right? Women are just a slender appendage taken out of Adam's Rib. When WILL we learn our place?!

Yeah, if all other men weren´t just a bunch of losers, I would be a chauvinist.

 

[Federberg]

^Lol! Please don't blame me. I'm not the aggressor in this. I'll admit I do find the banter enjoyable and every time the kid goes on the attack it reminds me how I got in his head. Obviously it still bothers him!

 

[Ricardo]

I know, right? Women are just a slender appendage taken out of Adam's Rib. When WILL we learn our place?!

Fact is they live off the sport that men invented and made a success of, and being lower level players who demonstrably generate less market value ask for equal pay, that is the crux of it. It has nothing to do with gender really, but just a spoilt bunch (that bunch can be any group) getting more than they deserve.....and now some ATP players are not happy, rightfully.

Only in tennis, the best players don't get the most after systematic PC manipulation.

 

[Ricardo]

^Lol! Please don't blame me. I'm not the aggressor in this. I'll admit I do find the banter enjoyable and every time the kid goes on the attack it reminds me how I got in his head. Obviously it still bothers him!

put on brave face any way you like, you know i am right. your perspective has always been that getting PC is your priority of living, and you fit exactly what Eastwood called 'pussy' generation.

and i enjoy telling you each and every time.

 

[Ricardo]

I can tell you one reason: because Federberg dared to betray his gender and find reasonable arguments on equal pay for the women. "Shemaleberg" sound familiar? So Ricardo put him on his hit-list, which means endless bile and insult for no reason.

what reasonable argument did he have? enlighten us.