Sharapova fails drug test

GameSetAndMath

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 9, 2013
Messages
21,141
Reactions
3,398
Points
113
kskate2 said:
It'll be very interesting to see how the locker room and the fans treat her when she comes back.

Meldopova never had any friends in the locker room even before this scandal and so the locker room scenario would not look any different for her. Fans (except those of us who hang around here) would probably forger and/or forgive her. So, essentially life will go on as usual in the Maria Land. Sad, but true.
 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,019
Reactions
7,143
Points
113
GameSetAndMath said:
kskate2 said:
It'll be very interesting to see how the locker room and the fans treat her when she comes back.

Meldopova never had any friends in the locker room even before this scandal and so the locker room scenario would not look any different for her. Fans (except those of us who hang around here) would probably forger and/or forgive her. So, essentially life will go on as usual in the Maria Land. Sad, but true.

That's what's makes her so dominant over her opponents, she doesn't play nice in the locker room.
 

Kieran

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,039
Reactions
7,329
Points
113
It's going to be very interesting to seer how players treat Sharapova after she returned. She's been a disgrace since the verdict came out, a doe-eyed victim of a cruel and harsh system - according to herself. How dare WADA and the ITF not take the blame for her own criminal negligence? :cover
 

10isfan

Major Winner
Joined
Apr 16, 2013
Messages
1,944
Reactions
399
Points
83
She and her team have been working overtime spinning the story to shift blame to WADA. The reduction in her ban upon appeal is the epitome of ludicracy.
 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,019
Reactions
7,143
Points
113
Kieran said:
It's going to be very interesting to seer how players treat Sharapova after she returned. She's been a disgrace since the verdict came out, a doe-eyed victim of a cruel and harsh system - according to herself. How dare WADA and the ITF not take the blame for her own criminal negligence? :cover

She never cared before so nothing will change.. She will just pound the snot out of most of them although some will utter some words of defiance.
 

Kieran

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,039
Reactions
7,329
Points
113
the AntiPusher said:
Kieran said:
It's going to be very interesting to seer how players treat Sharapova after she returned. She's been a disgrace since the verdict came out, a doe-eyed victim of a cruel and harsh system - according to herself. How dare WADA and the ITF not take the blame for her own criminal negligence? :cover

She never cared before so nothing will change.. She will just pound the snot out of most of them although some will utter some words of defiance.

It might become a thing though, that their defiance transfers into results. In some ways Maria is like Novak, in that he doesn't like to be disliked, and she might crumble in the face of a hostile opponent - and cheering crowd...
 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,019
Reactions
7,143
Points
113
Kieran said:
the AntiPusher said:
Kieran said:
It's going to be very interesting to seer how players treat Sharapova after she returned. She's been a disgrace since the verdict came out, a doe-eyed victim of a cruel and harsh system - according to herself. How dare WADA and the ITF not take the blame for her own criminal negligence? :cover

She never cared before so nothing will change.. She will just pound the snot out of most of them although some will utter some words of defiance.

It might become a thing though, that their defiance transfers into results. In some ways Maria is like Novak, in that he doesn't like to be disliked, and she might crumble in the face of a hostile opponent - and cheering crowd...
I not an expert on the WTA game as far as the behavior of Pova.. maybe Tossip can pipe in but I think Pova only cares to be liked by only the companies that want her to market their brand..its all about the $Benjamins, Euros or what currency in other countries.
 

tossip

Grand Slam Champion
Joined
Apr 15, 2013
Messages
7,297
Reactions
2,600
Points
113
the AntiPusher said:
Kieran said:
the AntiPusher said:
She never cared before so nothing will change.. She will just pound the snot out of most of them although some will utter some words of defiance.

It might become a thing though, that their defiance transfers into results. In some ways Maria is like Novak, in that he doesn't like to be disliked, and she might crumble in the face of a hostile opponent - and cheering crowd...
I not an expert on the WTA game as far as the behavior of Pova.. maybe Tossip can pipe in but I think Pova only cares to be liked by only the companies that want her to market their brand..its all about the $Benjamins, Euros or what currency in other countries.
I am beginning to suspect that pova was behind thealleged hacking of WADA,to justify her appeal and its sad to see Americans fully embracing her after her doping ban is not finished...eg pseudo moral authorities like Navratilova and BJK...in a way they are condoning her doping.
She will come back but the tour will not be as welcoming and successful as she thinks..she claimed to have heart problems so we are waiting to see someone with heart disease playing three hours without tiring.She tried to shame the sisters and Simone Biles...getting to take a picture with Simone at NYFW..knowing that she had framed her...trying to cover her tracks before that hacking came out..she took that picture with Simone Biles to cover up what she did..she thinks we are not that smart.
she is a cold fish....money is not everything..class is everything..I have no respect for this miserable mercenary.
 

GameSetAndMath

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 9, 2013
Messages
21,141
Reactions
3,398
Points
113
I do realize that the decision of CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sports) is final and binding. But, did they at least bother to explain as to why they reduced the ban or are they not even required to do that.
If anyone has access to the "text of the rationale" behind the judgement rendered, can you please post it.
 

delPoFearhand

Futures Player
Joined
Aug 8, 2016
Messages
162
Reactions
0
Points
0
Full 28 pages here:
http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Award_4643__FINAL__internet.pdf

Relatively short summary: In this case, there is no argument that an anti-doping violation occurred. The entire case, then is about how much fault Sharapova bears for the violation.

The CAS had three realistic options:
1. Determine that Sharapova bore "No Fault", which would almost assuredly result in them reducing the ban to time served.
2. Determine that Sharapova bore "Significant Fault", as the ITF argued for, which would result in the CAS declining to amend the previous decision (i.e. uphold the full 2 year ban).
3. Determine that Sharapova bore "No Significant Fault", i.e. some fault, but not significant compared to other factors in the case. This decision would by rule lead them to impose a ban ranging from 1 year (for "minimum fault") to a maximum of 2 years. Sharapova's team argued for this "NSF" ruling, but wanted the CAS to ignore the sentencing period rule and reduce the ban to 8 months (i.e. time already served).

They decided that Sharapova bore "No Significant Fault", which is important because if they had not determined that they would not have amended the sentence. They did, however, determine that she bore more than the minimum amount of fault for not properly instructing her agent in monitoring the anti-doping list. They felt that 15 months adequately reflected her relative amount of fault compared to the fault borne by the ITF for its notification procedures, which they found inadequate.

My take: I don't agree with two parts of their decision:
1. I don't think the ITF's notification was inadequate. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect an athlete or their agent to click through a couple links on a webpage once a year to make sure their substances are still in the clear.
2. I don't agree with the way they dismissed/ignored the fact that she never disclosed taking Mildronate/meldonium on her medication forms. They seem to take the stance that even if she had disclosed it, it would not have affected how the ITF notified players about the change, which they felt were inadequate and (inferring from the sentence) a larger factor in causing the ADV than Sharapova's negligence. I disagree- I think if someone in their anti-doping compliance department knew one of the leading star players took the drug regularly, it could have changed how the notifications took place.

Bottom line: I would have been happier with either a "SF" finding or a "NSF" finding with a sentence more clearly weighted to show Sharapova bore more fault than the ITF- something like 21 months. But I don't think this ruling is a travesty of justice.

Note that the difference between Sharapova and Lepchenko's case is that the ITF determined in Lepchenko's case "bore no fault or negligence for the violation", which is why they reinstated her immediately. I agree with that ruling- apparently WADA's guidelines on how fast the drug's concentration drop in the body were wrong, leading them to reissue guidance on that subject. Lepchenko knew the rules and followed them as best she (or anyone else, really) understood them, which is the difference.
 

delPoFearhand

Futures Player
Joined
Aug 8, 2016
Messages
162
Reactions
0
Points
0
Other related reading on this:
ITF statement after the release and various comments from Sharapova & her team:
http://www.itftennis.com/news/243928.aspx

Sharapova's lawyer's letter to the ITF/Stuart Miller:
https://twitter.com/VladasLasitskas/status/784120169450856449
 

GameSetAndMath

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 9, 2013
Messages
21,141
Reactions
3,398
Points
113
Thanks Delpo!. This ruling is really terrible. At the minimum they should have given her 18 months which would have made her miss both RG and Wimby.

I forgot as to what WADA determined. Did they determine "SF" or "NSF".
 

10isfan

Major Winner
Joined
Apr 16, 2013
Messages
1,944
Reactions
399
Points
83
This entire case is a joke. The original investigation and ruling were thorough and fair. CAS crumbled to pressure whether from her lawyer or other parties involved. They should know this sets a bad precedent. Now anyone can do what she did and shift blame away.

As for renal clearance, I think WADA caved in because so many cheaters were screaming that there is no concrete data. Given the very short half life, drug concentration will fall below detection within a matter of days. Lepchenko and the rest of the athletes who got a bye were cheating, in my opinion.

I hope the players can make her pay for her behavior by beating her in early rounds. We all know she won't go down without a fight.
 

delPoFearhand

Futures Player
Joined
Aug 8, 2016
Messages
162
Reactions
0
Points
0
GameSetAndMath said:
I forgot as to what WADA determined. Did they determine "SF" or "NSF".

They essentially found Significant Fault. That ruling (33 pages) is here: http://www.itftennis.com/media/231178/231178.pdf

From a technical side, SF doesn't exist as a legal determination in the TADP- "Fault" is automatically assigned to the player unless they successfully appeal to either NF or NSF defenses outlined in the 10.5 section of the TADP. "Significant Fault" is just the way CAS termed that status of failure to establish NF or NSF.

So, technically, what the ITF tribunal truly ruled is that she did not bear NF or NSF, so defaulting to the normal "Fault" or "Significant Fault" status. But, the tribunal's decision included this language in its closing paragraph (note the lack of capitalization):
"However she does bear sole responsibility for the contravention, and very significant fault, in failing to take any steps to check whether the continued use of this medicine was permissible."
 

GameSetAndMath

The GOAT
Joined
Jul 9, 2013
Messages
21,141
Reactions
3,398
Points
113
Maria talks about doping and suspension in an interview given to NBC.

When the interviewer asks whether she will be able to play well without the aid of the lung capacity boost that she got out of Meldonium, She answers saying her team is working on finding drugs equivalent to Meldonium that are considered legal. :cover
 

tossip

Grand Slam Champion
Joined
Apr 15, 2013
Messages
7,297
Reactions
2,600
Points
113
GameSetAndMath said:
Maria talks about doping and suspension in an interview given to NBC.

When the interviewer asks whether she will be able to play well without the aid of the lung capacity boost that she got out of Meldonium, She answers saying her team is working on finding drugs equivalent to Meldonium that are considered legal. :cover
so she knew that it was an illegal drug...what a douche:cover
 

special700

Masters Champion
Joined
Jul 3, 2013
Messages
927
Reactions
1
Points
16
RebeccaChaplin said:
Shocking to hear that.

I am not shocked. It's the norm for Russians. She's not a very smart person at all to make a statement like that.