Sharapova fails drug test

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Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but this could be a tip of the iceberg issue.

For me it's clear that she knew what she was doing was wrong (I simply don't believe the excuse that she didn't read the email, it stretches credulity). She got in front of the crisis, or at least attempted to with the press conference when she realised her goose was cooked. The idea that she has been taking this drug for a decade for health reasons has been discredited by the pharmaceutical company that manufactures this drug so I'm not even going to go there. As they have stated this is only supposed to be taken over a period of 4 - 6 weeks, so health reasons is out of the window and we are in PED territory.

The reason I mention conspiracy theories is that you have to ask the question... why when she knew it was wrong did she feel able to still continue taking it? For me there is one logical answer. She is aware of other rainmakers in tennis getting caught and being able to walk away unscathed. She took what she considered to be a rational step and disregarded the warnings. But the regime has changed. Whether it's the PED crisis sweeping all sport, or the terrible press the ATP/WTA have received in recent times about match fixing. Whatever it is, these institutions clearly feel an existential threat to their brands and are cleaning shop. So her seemingly rational tactic was done at the worst possible time. I can only imagine the frantic discussions over the last few months since the AO between her team and the WTA. Clearly she felt forced to make the announcement when all other resources had been expended. What I want to know, is who amongst the rainmakers (i.e., big WTA/ ATP stars) has been getting away with cheating, that would make Maria feel confident that she would be able to get away with it? Of course it could have been her who had been getting away with it in the past, but a new era had dawned. We'll never know of course. But this seems an eminently plausible scenario to me.
 

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I really like that post @Federberg and it's kind of the way I'm leaning too. I really don't buy the unopened email crap. We're talking about the figurehead of a multi million dollar business. I've got a feeling they played the poker game and lost.
 

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I really like that post @Federberg and it's kind of the way I'm leaning too. I really don't buy the unopened email crap. We're talking about the figurehead of a multi million dollar business. I've got a feeling they played the poker game and lost.

What do yout think of other top players who are backing her up, saying that this was an honest mistake. Do you think that their image could be affected if something big comes up ?
I am thinking of Armstrong's case, I remember some French cyclists who always said that it was not possible he cheated as he was never caught. They looked suddently suspicious when the big story was revealed.
 

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What do yout think of other top players who are backing her up, saying that this was an honest mistake. Do you think that their image could be affected if something big comes up ?
I am thinking of Armstrong's case, I remember some French cyclists who always said that it was not possible he cheated as he was never caught. They looked suddently suspicious when the big story was revealed.

I always ask the question mate... If you were a top player and others were using stuff and got caught... how would you feel? Personally, I think a lot depends on if you were using yourself.
 

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I am stunned by this news. Maria Sharapova, a drug cheat. I wouldn;t have guessed
 

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Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but this could be a tip of the iceberg issue.

For me it's clear that she knew what she was doing was wrong (I simply don't believe the excuse that she didn't read the email, it stretches credulity). She got in front of the crisis, or at least attempted to with the press conference when she realised her goose was cooked. The idea that she has been taking this drug for a decade for health reasons has been discredited by the pharmaceutical company that manufactures this drug so I'm not even going to go there. As they have stated this is only supposed to be taken over a period of 4 - 6 weeks, so health reasons is out of the window and we are in PED territory.

The reason I mention conspiracy theories is that you have to ask the question... why when she knew it was wrong did she feel able to still continue taking it? For me there is one logical answer. She is aware of other rainmakers in tennis getting caught and being able to walk away unscathed. She took what she considered to be a rational step and disregarded the warnings. But the regime has changed. Whether it's the PED crisis sweeping all sport, or the terrible press the ATP/WTA have received in recent times about match fixing. Whatever it is, these institutions clearly feel an existential threat to their brands and are cleaning shop. So her seemingly rational tactic was done at the worst possible time. I can only imagine the frantic discussions over the last few months since the AO between her team and the WTA. Clearly she felt forced to make the announcement when all other resources had been expended. What I want to know, is who amongst the rainmakers (i.e., big WTA/ ATP stars) has been getting away with cheating, that would make Maria feel confident that she would be able to get away with it? Of course it could have been her who had been getting away with it in the past, but a new era had dawned. We'll never know of course. But this seems an eminently plausible scenario to me.

THAT IS AN excellent , EXCELLENT take on it. and I CAN sbuscribe to that too.

if she is wrong and then she si wrong and should not have continued it s far as we know according to these DATES of chagnes.

BUT -- so long s she was taking it for medical or ANY OTHER REASON of HER own -- SUCH AS covered by your analysis --

BY THE SAME RULES that she can be banned from the sport -- it is the SPORT itself -- s well as its own governing bodies that are at least as answerable.

let us be CLEAR about one thing:

whether or not this IS A PERFORMANCE nhncing driug and let us just assume SHE knew -- and abused it --

NOTHING in those rules PREVENTED HER from using it until DECEMBER 31...

she is ruled by tha t-- AS WELL AS THEGOVERNING BODY ITSELF.


therefore -- the LARGER QUESTION IS -- WHY NOW?

the changes i mean..

it is not even why "'not did she admit?"


not that's not the real question here in the LARGER POLITICAL CONTEXT in which THIS matter is being created.

by non other than those that CONTROL the ''rules of games" --

NMELY THE western HONCHOS...who are circiling their wagons around the ''USA LED --

"RUSSIA IS BAD" -- AND BAD ''IN 'ALL THINGS"

this time using tennis -- and then towards WADA rules to BAN russia ALTOGETHER FROM RIO OLYMPICS with more citations of ''secret labs" blah,l blah


AS IF WESTERN ATHLETES are so PURE!

this has got to do with the OLD WESTERN EUROPEAN

"RUSSIA THE BAD "


and why?

because RUSSIA -- can't be made to KNEEL to nato -- to the USA -- RUSSIA WON'T BREAK from SANCTIONS (which ARE acts of war)

AND WHEN DONE BY THE USA -- and its VASSALS in the EU.

have been demosntrated -- tiome and gain, each and very time


as a PRELUDE TO ''no fly zones" -- invasion - regime change and TAKEOVER!~

and RUSSIA PUT A DEAD STOP TO THAT -- right there in SYRIA!

along with their LYING mouths! swo


they now go a different route>

SPORTS! ""THE ISOLATE RUSSIA" MEME GRINDS ON.

MARK my words -- THIS IS A POLITICAL WITCH HUNT and attempt LED BY THE USA ''powers-that-be" . because they think they can pressure russia into BENDING to the will of the USA EMPIRE and its LACKEYS in EUROPE!

so they can go BACK to the wonderful 1990's WHEN THEIR CORPORATE entities,

and finance and banks RAPED AND PILLAGED AND PLUNDERED RUSSIA!~

UNTIL PUTIN KICKED THE WHOLE SORRY GANG OF THEM OUT ALONG WITH THEIR SWEETHEARTS OF RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS that were ROBBING their own people of their national heritages and resources and industries


at the ORDERS of WASHINGTON DC!

the REAL CULPRIT BEHIND IT ALL!

i mean -- THIS is A TIP OF THE ICEBERG...

yes -- but NOT what you think IS the iceberg.

THIS GOES ALL THE WAY BACK centuries...!

THE western europeans LUSTING after all that BIG , BIG LAND called RUSIA!

throwing at her

heck -- the lithuanian ''empire" long ago, the POLISH TRIED 3 SEPARATE TIMES -- CLAIMING russia as ''RIGHTFULLY OURS" -- lol -- once trying to

PASS OFF A POLISH NOBLE AS A RUSSIAN -- with rights to the THRONE -- to be discovered by the russians as a PRETENDER -- cut him up to pieces and fired his sorry parts BACK to poland with a cannon...or some polish king trying to MARRY OFF his daughter to a CZAR'S son but was REJECTED...

or the BRITISH secretly aiming to GOAD HITLER to go to arms with RUSSIA and AFTERWARDS WITH AMERICANS

COMING IN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE ...(THAT'S WHAT WORLD WAR 2 WAS REALLY ALL ABOUT -- U KNOW)

or NAPOLEON imagining himself the RULER of RUSSIA...

gawd -- even the TURKS connived with the BRITS, THE AMERICANS, THE ITALIANS to take CRIMEA --

OR THE SWEDISH KING trying to GRAB russian land at ST petersburg before russia SANK their entire navy! to teach them a lesson !

OR the BRITS AND AMERICANS -- together LANDING TROOPS IN THE FAR EAST region of russia in the early 20th century -- before being destroyed by the peasants and the siberian winter --

heck -- few of you know anything about such things to undfrstnd WHY this is just a tip of the iceberg

OF AMERICAN - WESTGERN LUST after russia and their amazing obsession ...they'd STOOP\ TO THE LOWEST LEVEL

citing righteous indignation about russian ''aggression" and ''russian threat"

when it is THEY that have FOR CENTURIES lusted after that big land.

ALL OF THEM .

BUT -- u know what's really funny?


the western MEDIA -- AND LEADERSHIPS that are proving themselves across the world as the HYPOCRITES that ehy really are --

are ''convincing" NO ONE but the western populations!

BILLIONS OTHERS know BETTER.


heck -- the USA and WEST were shown by RUSSIA in syuria to hve been the PROTECTORS of the TERRORISTS IN REALITY --

while telling YOU GUYS in the western media consumption market that

"we are defending civilization from terrorists!!!"..

and exposed by RUSSIA that for since 2011 -- they were doing NOTHING BUT 'BOMBING" empty desert

WHILE ISIL GREW AND EXPANDED -- AND CLOSED IN ON DAMASCUS

for the DEARLY DESIRED REGIME CHANGE ORDERED BY WASHINGTON DC!!

and quick as a flash as RUSSIA exposed their hypocrisy ...

WHAT DID THEY DO?

WHY -- BBC AND NEW YORK TIMES -- USA public broadcasting

OF COURSE --

showed '''WE ARE BOMBING TERRORISTS!!!"


nd to show PROOF --


STOLE A RUSSIAN VIDEO FROM THE RUSSIAN JETS that russians use to show the whole world EXACTLY who they were bombing ,-- terrorists!

and CLAIMED IT AS ''americans and british bombing terrorists and isil"!!


roflmao!!

NOW --

WITH A lying DECEITFUL ORWELLIAN SOCIETY AND ''civilization" like THAT...


does ANYONE claim to SIT IN JUDGMENT on maria sharapova


TEH RUSSIAN?

whose country and leaders just happen to have bene EXPOSING THE DECADES OF LYING BY THE USA AND ITS WESTERN AND EUROPEAN POODLES?

i think NOT!
 

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A lot of players both males and females let her down or said it serves her right...really harsh with her, wait till we know more about this awfull affair
 

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A lot of players both males and females let her down or said it serves her right...really harsh with her, wait till we know more about this awfull affair
Who was critical of her? All I've seen are players being supportive. The only condemnation I recall has been from Capriati
 

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I always ask the question mate... If you were a top player and others were using stuff and got caught... how would you feel? Personally, I think a lot depends on if you were using yourself.
Agreed. As for how top players feel? I'm sure there's a competitive part of them that feels anger when they hear this stuff. But if they are also guilty then probably a little fear. In either case the best thing is to try to avoid commenting on it. Either type of response could damage your brand
 

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Apparently, whenever a blood test is done, the player is asked to fill in a form in which they have to list all medications they are currently taking. If Pova had openly listed mildronate as one of the medications that she is taking. it would support her contention of innocent mistake. On the other hand if she had conveniently omitted it, it would show intentional disregard for the rules. At this time, we don't know whether she listed it or not.

If she did not bother to list it, the "unintentional" defense and/or "No significant fault/negligence" defense would be in jeopardy. However, even in that case, she would be eligible for "quick mea culpa" reduction in ban length.
 

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I agree with britbox that she got caught fair and square--I also thought her handling of it was as good as could be expected. Now, I am being told by some scientist friends of mine that she will be sanctioned and fined significantly because this stuff is not for the purposes she claims.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Apparently, whenever a blood test is done, the player is asked to fill in a form in which they have to list all medications they are currently taking. If Pova had openly listed mildronate as one of the medications that she is taking. it would support her contention of innocent mistake. On the other hand if she had conveniently omitted it, it would show intentional disregard for the rules. At this time, we don't know whether she listed it or not.

If she did not bother to list it, the "unintentional" defense and/or "No significant fault/negligence" defense would be in jeopardy. However, even in that case, she would be eligible for "quick mea culpa" reduction in ban length.
all players got reminders about this drug in September 2015 and she continued doping.She has been enhancing her performance for years.
There is no excuse for doping and she got caught in 2016 after she had been warned in 2015.
 

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I'm just trying to get over the name "Dick Pound."
 

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10sfan said:
Pova listed the drug at AO. She will not get two years. Watch her team spin this. It will be manipulation of the grandest scale. I am hearing three months to one year. Media is taking all the incriminating evidence and using it to make her look innocent. Incredible.

She will face a three member panel who will decide her fate. I bet they pick people with no common sense nor understanding of science. Pova will miss FO, but will be screaming her empty head off at Wimby.
even if she gets away with it her reputation is in tatters,it will be a travesty if they give her a slap on the wrist just because...she must have been masking this for years.I think she will be more of a pariah on tour because how can Nike endorse someone with a doping allegation hanging over them.
I will be disappointed if she gets away with it and gets back like nothing happened..
 

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All those commentators and writers will have to re-access and maybe choke on all their compliments about Maria having so much heart; blah, bah, blah! :ras:
 

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Fiero425 said:
All those commentators and writers will have to re-access and maybe choke on all their compliments about Maria having so much heart; blah, bah, blah! :ras:
it seems they are distancing themselves from her,Chrissy almost said doper on sportscenter and some are conveniently quiet....someone snitched on her.I am beginning to think its payback from someone....especially after the media went on and on about her being the highest paid female athelete.I think someone snitched either from other russians or a disgruntled worker,the negligence is too much..
 

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10sfan said:
We have been forced to listen to the shoulder excuse at every match for years, but this incident will fade from their memory.
:snicker...after a loss are they going to say its the shoulder..:lolz:...this is goin to be so funny..