Serious Question: Could Johnny Mac beat Vika or Serena?

[RJD11]

are you really saying JMac would be an underdog then? "he would have a chance?"..... hmmm, i think Serena and Vika would need to step up their game to 'have a chance'.

Serena 6 - 3 .........Vika 7 - 6 in tiebreak ( 4 )

obviously watching WTA tennis too much would blind their fans, they probably think Serena is better than Federer too

Serena has no weapon to beat JMac, even though he is well into 50s. A match between them would embarrass WTA totally, since some grandpa could easily toy with the supposedly greatest female candidate - that naturally their fans would be forced to admit WTA tennis is not all that good, bad for business. Obviously WTA fans can still live in delusion and denial, as long as WTA player avoid the 'real' matches. Ever wondered why Serena never dared to challenge a rubbish baller like Braasch again? she knows WAY BETTER than you clueless fans that she'd be humiliated.

As for Vika? she is not even as good as Serena, her only chance is to play naked

McEnroe is not Federer. He is an OLD man. Serena serves harder than

than him. It would be a replay of King/Riggs


And I would pay to see that Vika match

Serena can't beat JMac, get over it. Riggs beat Court easily, you think King won a real match? Court was better than King, and people back then knew Riggs made money by betting..... think about the odds he'd have by throwing it to King. Court was considered fav against Rigg, but after that match Rigg was the fav vs King.

I've seen Serena and JMac playing live, JMac is just way better.

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

 

[Ricardo]

Serena 6 - 3 .........Vika 7 - 6 in tiebreak ( 4 )

obviously watching WTA tennis too much would blind their fans, they probably think Serena is better than Federer too

Serena has no weapon to beat JMac, even though he is well into 50s. A match between them would embarrass WTA totally, since some grandpa could easily toy with the supposedly greatest female candidate - that naturally their fans would be forced to admit WTA tennis is not all that good, bad for business. Obviously WTA fans can still live in delusion and denial, as long as WTA player avoid the 'real' matches. Ever wondered why Serena never dared to challenge a rubbish baller like Braasch again? she knows WAY BETTER than you clueless fans that she'd be humiliated.

As for Vika? she is not even as good as Serena, her only chance is to play naked

McEnroe is not Federer. He is an OLD man. Serena serves harder than

than him. It would be a replay of King/Riggs


And I would pay to see that Vika match

Serena can't beat JMac, get over it. Riggs beat Court easily, you think King won a real match? Court was better than King, and people back then knew Riggs made money by betting..... think about the odds he'd have by throwing it to King. Court was considered fav against Rigg, but after that match Rigg was the fav vs King.

I've seen Serena and JMac playing live, JMac is just way better.

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

have you? where did you see old JMac play? because if you did and still make this judgement, you just don't know what tennis is really about. Braasch once said, the Williams have no chance against top 500 male players - so far none of the Williams ever dared to challenge again, even though they said they would when they are ready.

Looks like they'll never get ready, and i think they know the reason - much better than you do. And JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

obviously watching WTA tennis too much would blind their fans, they probably think Serena is better than Federer too

Serena has no weapon to beat JMac, even though he is well into 50s. A match between them would embarrass WTA totally, since some grandpa could easily toy with the supposedly greatest female candidate - that naturally their fans would be forced to admit WTA tennis is not all that good, bad for business. Obviously WTA fans can still live in delusion and denial, as long as WTA player avoid the 'real' matches. Ever wondered why Serena never dared to challenge a rubbish baller like Braasch again? she knows WAY BETTER than you clueless fans that she'd be humiliated.

As for Vika? she is not even as good as Serena, her only chance is to play naked

McEnroe is not Federer. He is an OLD man. Serena serves harder than

than him. It would be a replay of King/Riggs


And I would pay to see that Vika match

Serena can't beat JMac, get over it. Riggs beat Court easily, you think King won a real match? Court was better than King, and people back then knew Riggs made money by betting..... think about the odds he'd have by throwing it to King. Court was considered fav against Rigg, but after that match Rigg was the fav vs King.

I've seen Serena and JMac playing live, JMac is just way better.

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

have you? where did you see old JMac play? because if you did and still make this judgement, you just don't know what tennis is really about. Braasch once said, the Williams have no chance against top 500 male players - so far none of the Williams ever dared to challenge again, even though they said they would when they are ready.

Looks like they'll never get ready, and i think they know the reason - much better than you do. And JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match.

"JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match."

Ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE CAN"T EVEN BEAT a 50 year old Guy Forget!

 

[Ricardo]

McEnroe is not Federer. He is an OLD man. Serena serves harder than

than him. It would be a replay of King/Riggs


And I would pay to see that Vika match

Serena can't beat JMac, get over it. Riggs beat Court easily, you think King won a real match? Court was better than King, and people back then knew Riggs made money by betting..... think about the odds he'd have by throwing it to King. Court was considered fav against Rigg, but after that match Rigg was the fav vs King.

I've seen Serena and JMac playing live, JMac is just way better.

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

have you? where did you see old JMac play? because if you did and still make this judgement, you just don't know what tennis is really about. Braasch once said, the Williams have no chance against top 500 male players - so far none of the Williams ever dared to challenge again, even though they said they would when they are ready.

Looks like they'll never get ready, and i think they know the reason - much better than you do. And JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match.

"JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match."

Ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE CAN"T EVEN BEAT a 50 year old Guy Forget!

Losing one match and you make that conclusion?

you might as well say Nadal can't even beat a nobody (at Wimbledon).

 

[Luxilon Borg]

"Losing one match and you make that conclusion?

you might as well say Nadal can't even beat a nobody (at Wimbledon)."

Look, I think Mac is a genius, bar none. But Serena would crush him today at age 54.

 

[RJD11]

obviously watching WTA tennis too much would blind their fans, they probably think Serena is better than Federer too

Serena has no weapon to beat JMac, even though he is well into 50s. A match between them would embarrass WTA totally, since some grandpa could easily toy with the supposedly greatest female candidate - that naturally their fans would be forced to admit WTA tennis is not all that good, bad for business. Obviously WTA fans can still live in delusion and denial, as long as WTA player avoid the 'real' matches. Ever wondered why Serena never dared to challenge a rubbish baller like Braasch again? she knows WAY BETTER than you clueless fans that she'd be humiliated.

As for Vika? she is not even as good as Serena, her only chance is to play naked

McEnroe is not Federer. He is an OLD man. Serena serves harder than

than him. It would be a replay of King/Riggs


And I would pay to see that Vika match

Serena can't beat JMac, get over it. Riggs beat Court easily, you think King won a real match? Court was better than King, and people back then knew Riggs made money by betting..... think about the odds he'd have by throwing it to King. Court was considered fav against Rigg, but after that match Rigg was the fav vs King.

I've seen Serena and JMac playing live, JMac is just way better.

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

have you? where did you see old JMac play? because if you did and still make this judgement, you just don't know what tennis is really about. Braasch once said, the Williams have no chance against top 500 male players - so far none of the Williams ever dared to challenge again, even though they said they would when they are ready.

Looks like they'll never get ready, and i think they know the reason - much better than you do. And JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match.

Back in the day Connors and Jmac were 2 of my favorite players when

I used to watch mens Tennis. I have seen him play many times

He would not beat Serena now.

 

[Ricardo]

McEnroe is not Federer. He is an OLD man. Serena serves harder than

than him. It would be a replay of King/Riggs


And I would pay to see that Vika match

Serena can't beat JMac, get over it. Riggs beat Court easily, you think King won a real match? Court was better than King, and people back then knew Riggs made money by betting..... think about the odds he'd have by throwing it to King. Court was considered fav against Rigg, but after that match Rigg was the fav vs King.

I've seen Serena and JMac playing live, JMac is just way better.

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

have you? where did you see old JMac play? because if you did and still make this judgement, you just don't know what tennis is really about. Braasch once said, the Williams have no chance against top 500 male players - so far none of the Williams ever dared to challenge again, even though they said they would when they are ready.

Looks like they'll never get ready, and i think they know the reason - much better than you do. And JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match.

Back in the day Connors and Jmac were 2 of my favorite players when

I used to watch mens Tennis. I have seen him play many times

He would not beat Serena now.

wishful thinking, just typical of WTA fans who wished WTA players 'can' step up. No, JMac is still better than Serena no matter how you spin it.

You have no idea how much better mens tennis is, it's a different dimension.

 

[britbox]

I haven't seen Mac playing for a couple of years or so, but he was pretty competitive on the seniors tour, even against guys younger than himself. He's pushed the likes of Edberg a few times to the wire and I vaguely recall him beating Sampras fairly recently (although not 100% sure). These guys are still playing some good tennis... Edberg beat Safin (14 years younger) within a year of Safin retiring from the ATP tour.

My money would be on Mac (unless he has really deteoriated the last couple of years)... I think Serena would struggle to get a lock on his serve, he'd take her time away and probably offer more variety then she's ever likely to have seen on the WTA tour.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

I haven't seen Mac playing for a couple of years or so, but he was pretty competitive on the seniors tour, even against guys younger than himself. He's pushed the likes of Edberg a few times to the wire and I vaguely recall him beating Sampras fairly recently (although not 100% sure). These guys are still playing some good tennis... Edberg beat Safin (14 years younger) within a year of Safin retiring from the ATP tour.

My money would be on Mac (unless he has really deteoriated the last couple of years)... I think Serena would struggle to get a lock on his serve, he'd take her time away and probably offer more variety then she's ever likely to have seen on the WTA tour.

Agree about the variety about Mac. Mac did beat Sampras once on the seniors tour but Sampras had a pulled calf muscle. He could barely move.

 

[Ricardo]

I haven't seen Mac playing for a couple of years or so, but he was pretty competitive on the seniors tour, even against guys younger than himself. He's pushed the likes of Edberg a few times to the wire and I vaguely recall him beating Sampras fairly recently (although not 100% sure). These guys are still playing some good tennis... Edberg beat Safin (14 years younger) within a year of Safin retiring from the ATP tour.

My money would be on Mac (unless he has really deteoriated the last couple of years)... I think Serena would struggle to get a lock on his serve, he'd take her time away and probably offer more variety then she's ever likely to have seen on the WTA tour.

Agree about the variety about Mac. Mac did beat Sampras once on the seniors tour but Sampras had a pulled calf muscle. He could barely move.

i doubt it, can you give a reference? i don't think seniors would even choose to play if they are so badly injured and could barely move.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

I haven't seen Mac playing for a couple of years or so, but he was pretty competitive on the seniors tour, even against guys younger than himself. He's pushed the likes of Edberg a few times to the wire and I vaguely recall him beating Sampras fairly recently (although not 100% sure). These guys are still playing some good tennis... Edberg beat Safin (14 years younger) within a year of Safin retiring from the ATP tour.

My money would be on Mac (unless he has really deteoriated the last couple of years)... I think Serena would struggle to get a lock on his serve, he'd take her time away and probably offer more variety then she's ever likely to have seen on the WTA tour.

Agree about the variety about Mac. Mac did beat Sampras once on the seniors tour but Sampras had a pulled calf muscle. He could barely move.

i doubt it, can you give a reference? i don't think seniors would even choose to play if they are so badly injured and could barely move.

My reference I saw the match. His calf was taped up completely. He double faulted 8 times. He was obligated to play and figured he could ace his way to victory. He did not play for the next 3 stops on the tour. I saw every single match on the Courier tour last year.

 

[Ricardo]

I haven't seen Mac playing for a couple of years or so, but he was pretty competitive on the seniors tour, even against guys younger than himself. He's pushed the likes of Edberg a few times to the wire and I vaguely recall him beating Sampras fairly recently (although not 100% sure). These guys are still playing some good tennis... Edberg beat Safin (14 years younger) within a year of Safin retiring from the ATP tour.

My money would be on Mac (unless he has really deteoriated the last couple of years)... I think Serena would struggle to get a lock on his serve, he'd take her time away and probably offer more variety then she's ever likely to have seen on the WTA tour.

Agree about the variety about Mac. Mac did beat Sampras once on the seniors tour but Sampras had a pulled calf muscle. He could barely move.

i doubt it, can you give a reference? i don't think seniors would even choose to play if they are so badly injured and could barely move.

My reference I saw the match. His calf was taped up completely. He double faulted 8 times. He was obligated to play and figured he could ace his way to victory. He did not play for the next 3 stops on the tour. I saw every single match on the Courier tour last year.

that's your own word not reference. Players are obliged to play major events but if they are badly injured, they pull out.

 

[Luxilon Borg]

I haven't seen Mac playing for a couple of years or so, but he was pretty competitive on the seniors tour, even against guys younger than himself. He's pushed the likes of Edberg a few times to the wire and I vaguely recall him beating Sampras fairly recently (although not 100% sure). These guys are still playing some good tennis... Edberg beat Safin (14 years younger) within a year of Safin retiring from the ATP tour.

My money would be on Mac (unless he has really deteoriated the last couple of years)... I think Serena would struggle to get a lock on his serve, he'd take her time away and probably offer more variety then she's ever likely to have seen on the WTA tour.

Agree about the variety about Mac. Mac did beat Sampras once on the seniors tour but Sampras had a pulled calf muscle. He could barely move.

i doubt it, can you give a reference? i don't think seniors would even choose to play if they are so badly injured and could barely move.

My reference I saw the match. His calf was taped up completely. He double faulted 8 times. He was obligated to play and figured he could ace his way to victory. He did not play for the next 3 stops on the tour. I saw every single match on the Courier tour last year.

that's your own word not reference. Players are obliged to play major events but if they are badly injured, they pull out.

Uh, no...Sampras is a money grubber. He played. He was limping around with his calf taped from the ankle to the knee and a black stocking over it. He skipped Phillie the next week. Either you believe me or not.

 

[Ricardo]

Agree about the variety about Mac. Mac did beat Sampras once on the seniors tour but Sampras had a pulled calf muscle. He could barely move.

i doubt it, can you give a reference? i don't think seniors would even choose to play if they are so badly injured and could barely move.

My reference I saw the match. His calf was taped up completely. He double faulted 8 times. He was obligated to play and figured he could ace his way to victory. He did not play for the next 3 stops on the tour. I saw every single match on the Courier tour last year.

that's your own word not reference. Players are obliged to play major events but if they are badly injured, they pull out.

Uh, no...Sampras is a money grubber. He played. He was limping around with his calf taped from the ankle to the knee and a black stocking over it. He skipped Phillie the next week. Either you believe me or not.

wish i could, but if he could limp around there then he could limp onto the next tournament; because, like you said he is a 'money grubber'.

Or he isn't, but what does that mean?

 

[kskate2]

I think people would pay to Serena/Mac, but not Vika/Mac. While I think Vika is a tremendous athlete, she's not selling tickets like a Serena or even a Sharapova.

Ricardo: You can't have it both ways. If you aren't going to judge Mac's current form on losing one match, then you can retire that old argument about the one set Serena played against Braasch when she was a teenager, right? Thought so.

 

[Kieran]

Serena would do well against Mac: she'd win about 5 games...

 

[Ricardo]

I think people would pay to Serena/Mac, but not Vika/Mac. While I think Vika is a tremendous athlete, she's not selling tickets like a Serena or even a Sharapova.

Ricardo: You can't have it both ways. If you aren't going to judge Mac's current form on losing one match, then you can retire that old argument about the one set Serena played against Braasch when she was a teenager, right? Thought so.

get your head straight, he lost to Forget not some female player. Serena lost one set and so did Venus, and they said they were going to challenge again when they are ready, obviously they know they are never good enough.... not even against crappy guys.

Did i judge Serena's form based on one set? no.... it's based on her action, she knows she can't win... only silly agenda-driven WTA fans drinking cool aid think she can, and i say she knows better.

if someone as egotistical as Serena would choose never to take on guys, anyone objective would see that it's beyond her capability. Has nothing to do with 'both ways', thats just illogical.

 

[Ricardo]

Serena would do well against Mac: she'd win about 5 games...

Serena doesn't miss a chance to show off her ego, whenever possible; unless she really thinks she can't win......

 

[RJD11]

Serena can't beat JMac, get over it. Riggs beat Court easily, you think King won a real match? Court was better than King, and people back then knew Riggs made money by betting..... think about the odds he'd have by throwing it to King. Court was considered fav against Rigg, but after that match Rigg was the fav vs King.

I've seen Serena and JMac playing live, JMac is just way better.

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

have you? where did you see old JMac play? because if you did and still make this judgement, you just don't know what tennis is really about. Braasch once said, the Williams have no chance against top 500 male players - so far none of the Williams ever dared to challenge again, even though they said they would when they are ready.

Looks like they'll never get ready, and i think they know the reason - much better than you do. And JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match.

Back in the day Connors and Jmac were 2 of my favorite players when

I used to watch mens Tennis. I have seen him play many times

He would not beat Serena now.

wishful thinking, just typical of WTA fans who wished WTA players 'can' step up. No, JMac is still better than Serena no matter how you spin it.

You have no idea how much better mens tennis is, it's a different dimension.

That's your own words not reference

The same things were said when Riggs played Billie Jean

The only reference available.

 

[Ricardo]

So have I and .....no way

As to Riggs throwing the match for a bet..I doubt it

Riggs made a bundle playing the match + endorsements

And bookies are smart guys. No bookie in his right mind

would lay a bet for Riggs against himself.

have you? where did you see old JMac play? because if you did and still make this judgement, you just don't know what tennis is really about. Braasch once said, the Williams have no chance against top 500 male players - so far none of the Williams ever dared to challenge again, even though they said they would when they are ready.

Looks like they'll never get ready, and i think they know the reason - much better than you do. And JMac imo can be as good as a 500th ranked player in any given match.

Back in the day Connors and Jmac were 2 of my favorite players when

I used to watch mens Tennis. I have seen him play many times

He would not beat Serena now.

wishful thinking, just typical of WTA fans who wished WTA players 'can' step up. No, JMac is still better than Serena no matter how you spin it.

You have no idea how much better mens tennis is, it's a different dimension.

That's your own words not reference

The same things were said when Riggs played Billie Jean

The only reference available.

But Court vs Riggs was not reference to you, of course not because it doesn't suit you. Don't forget, Court was flat out better than King, and when Riggs played her many bet Court to win. As soon as Riggs beat Court King was seen as the underdog and it would've won Riggs a lot of money if he lost to her, there is the motivation for you.

If you think it's my own words (about men being much better tennis players), the women back my words up pretty well; they would avoid competing against men and play with their little group so they could 'win'. You think Williams would stay away from challenging the men again if they think they can 'win'?

Don't think so, thanks for your understanding.