Roger Federer : Can You Predict His Future

[ClayDeath]

anybody remembers how many times roger went to the net in that Wimbledon final against murray?


also what was the success rate? I don't know the stats now but it looked like it was a great day for roger.

 

[ClayDeath]

lets talk about roger`s chances for one more slam:

what kind of probability would you be willing to assign to one more slam for Roger Federer?

roger has said that he is not giving up and that he is out to compete and win.

I have a feeling that he is going to come back a little stronger in 2014.

 

[britbox]

I think he'll come back stronger in 2014 and will his form will probably spike again for a period. Not sure about another slam at this stage, although you can't rule anything out. I still think Wimbledon would be his best chance and maybe the stars will need to align.
After next year, I don't really think he's going to be in with much of a shout of majors.

 

[ClayDeath]

affirmative. he is not going to sit back and do nothing.


I have to go along with that. he is likely to make his one last charge on grass next season.


it is also the least demanding slam. the surface suits his game.

 

[ClayDeath]

Roger Federer will double up in Shanghai next month. The world No. 6 plans to play doubles with Zhang Ze, China's top-ranked men's player, at the Shanghai Masters, which begins on October 6.

World No. 180 Zhang, who grew up looking up to Federer, received a wild card into the tournament.

"I was surprised when first told about it," Zhang told Shanghai Daily. "But I'm looking forward to it and will try to learn something from the matches."

Federer's last ATP doubles match came when he partnered longtime friend Tommy Haas in Halle last June. They lost to Jurgen Melzer and Philipp Petzschner, 7-6, 6-4. Federer hasn't played doubles in a Masters 1000 tournament since he partnered compatriot Stanislas Wawrinka to reach the 2011 Indian Wells final, where they fell to Xavier Malisse and Alexandr Dolgopolov, 6-4, 6-7, 10-7.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

the fedster is capable of a 'Sampras-at-the-USO2002-run'

 

[Kieran]

the fedster is capable of a 'Sampras-at-the-USO2002-run'

He's not, if he has to face Nadal...

 

[NADAL2005RG]

When Federer's form did spike in 2012, Nadal was largely absent. A spike won't be as easy in 2014. Even at Wimbledon, people have mostly written Nadal off, but Nadal likes challenges. And at the US Open, if Federer sees Nadal in the draw....will Federer be ok to beat Robredo?

 

[Johnsteinbeck]

Roger Federer will double up in Shanghai next month. The world No. 6 plans to play doubles with Zhang Ze, China's top-ranked men's player, at the Shanghai Masters, which begins on October 6.

World No. 180 Zhang, who grew up looking up to Federer, received a wild card into the tournament.

"I was surprised when first told about it," Zhang told Shanghai Daily. "But I'm looking forward to it and will try to learn something from the matches."

Federer's last ATP doubles match came when he partnered longtime friend Tommy Haas in Halle last June. They lost to Jurgen Melzer and Philipp Petzschner, 7-6, 6-4. Federer hasn't played doubles in a Masters 1000 tournament since he partnered compatriot Stanislas Wawrinka to reach the 2011 Indian Wells final, where they fell to Xavier Malisse and Alexandr Dolgopolov, 6-4, 6-7, 10-7.

that's a great move - for Rolex.

 

[isabelle]

Roger Federer will double up in Shanghai next month. The world No. 6 plans to play doubles with Zhang Ze, China's top-ranked men's player, at the Shanghai Masters, which begins on October 6.

World No. 180 Zhang, who grew up looking up to Federer, received a wild card into the tournament.

"I was surprised when first told about it," Zhang told Shanghai Daily. "But I'm looking forward to it and will try to learn something from the matches."

Federer's last ATP doubles match came when he partnered longtime friend Tommy Haas in Halle last June. They lost to Jurgen Melzer and Philipp Petzschner, 7-6, 6-4. Federer hasn't played doubles in a Masters 1000 tournament since he partnered compatriot Stanislas Wawrinka to reach the 2011 Indian Wells final, where they fell to Xavier Malisse and Alexandr Dolgopolov, 6-4, 6-7, 10-7.

Nice future for Zhang Ze at least !!

 

[DarthFed]

When Federer's form did spike in 2012, Nadal was largely absent. A spike won't be as easy in 2014. Even at Wimbledon, people have mostly written Nadal off, but Nadal likes challenges. And at the US Open, if Federer sees Nadal in the draw....will Federer be ok to beat Robredo?

Roger's form started to find the gutter after Rafa was out, his streak started at the end of 2011 all the way through Wimbledon 2012 where Rafa showed zero signs of injury while failing to get past a powderpuff. After Wimbledon last year Roger was quite poor with one good tourney in Cincy and now its progressed to horrid.

 

[Moxie]

My first question is if anyone knows what it's going to take for Roger to get to #4 before the AO, which seems critical and desirable. Not sure if he can/what he's defending. And then I would say, he's not defending much next year, and so could move up, if he comes into 2014 having a decent year. I'm with britbox that he should probably shoot for a quality Wimbledon next year.

 

[DarthFed]

My first question is if anyone knows what it's going to take for Roger to get to #4 before the AO, which seems critical and desirable. Not sure if he can/what he's defending. And then I would say, he's not defending much next year, and so could move up, if he comes into 2014 having a decent year. I'm with britbox that he should probably shoot for a quality Wimbledon next year.

Roger would probably have to win both Masters and the YEC to get #4 before AO. A long shot even if he was in decent form.

As for having a "quality" Wimbledon there is only one way for him to have a quality Wimbledon. Great players don't compete for 2nd.

 

[Moxie]

My first question is if anyone knows what it's going to take for Roger to get to #4 before the AO, which seems critical and desirable. Not sure if he can/what he's defending. And then I would say, he's not defending much next year, and so could move up, if he comes into 2014 having a decent year. I'm with britbox that he should probably shoot for a quality Wimbledon next year.

Roger would probably have to win both Masters and the YEC to get #4 before AO. A long shot even if he was in decent form.

As for having a "quality" Wimbledon there is only one way for him to have a quality Wimbledon. Great players don't compete for 2nd.

Thanks for the update on the points race, Darth. Yes, daunting to get to #4 by AO.

As to a "quality Wimbledon" for Roger, I didn't mean to imply anything less than a win.

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

the fedster is capable of a 'Sampras-at-the-USO2002-run'

He's not, if he has to face Nadal...

can you not drag nadal into everything single thread. there are other things going on :huh:

in 2013 nadal won 14 matches in half the majors, and zero matches in the other half of majors..

other players can defeat nadal, or his own knees can defeat him,

and the fedster is still capable of a 'Sampras-at-the-USO2002-run'.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

What do you mean? Roger's been revising his schedule and training for quite a while now; hense his longevity! His only fault that I can see and tell people most definitively is his reasoning behind playing the French Open again and again! That made no sense to me; esp. these last several years! If he couldn't win it in his prime, how does he think he's going to fare as an old man? :huh: uzzled :nono :angel:

Looking at his numbers, 2009 could certainly be argued as being beyond his prime ('05-'07), yet that's the year he won it. You simply never know. The draw could open up again next year, and he could win it a second time. It's not outside the realm of possibilities.

If he goes again and loses, so what? That's happened all but once, anyway. If he goes again and wins it, then it would have been worth it.

Roger never had a "Clay Problem". He only had a "Rafa Problem". Now that Djokovic
is coming close to beating Rafa in FO ( He has already done so in all three clay masters),
I do envision the possibility of Roger winning FO once again by defeating Djokovic in the
finals (who presumably took out Nadal in SF). Actually, I had a vague feeling that
it could happen in 2013, but it did not. Of course, in all of these I am conveniently
ignoring Roger's recent troubles.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Clay, nobody wins a slam by luck, period. Plus way more slams have been won by single handed backhands than double. Don't forget Jmac, Edberg, Lendl, Becker, etc...It is not about how many hands you have on the racket, it is about how you use them. Guys like Gasquet, Stan or Haas, they are not NOT winning slams because they have single handed backhands. They have other flaws...single hander is not one of them.

that was the game of the past.


name one player other than roger Federer in the past decade that has a slam to his name who also has a single hander.

and while you are at it, also name all the players who have won masters titles in the last 10 years while also having a single hander.

one weakness is all you need in this sport and somebody good enough can exploit it to death.


also the name of the game today is power and more power. you have little or no control with the single hander. far too many variables and it invariably crumbles under intense pressure. even under roger it crumbles. you simply cannot control near 100 MPH drives with it. and you sure as hell cant return 120-135 MPH serves with it well enough. and your arm gets worn down in a 4-5 hour match.


roger can and most likely will score a win or 2 over a top player on quicker surfaces but only in a best of 3 sets foremat.

roger was the last of his kind. his serve was massive and he controlled the points with it just like Sampras did. he could move it around the box and he dominated with the forehand. he was also the best net player in the game so he posed a huge threat at the net.

those days are gone now. now you cant win with a single hander.

how many players have won the masters events in the last 10 years with a single hander?

not many come to mind. robredo took hamburg once but there was nobody outstanding in the field.

even roger`s slam haul pretty much came to an end except for that last wimby title.



now days you need machine like consistency off both wings and you need some finishing power off both wings.

and if that is not enough, you need to be able to return like a demon, pass like a demon, and you need to be fairly good at the net.

Single handed backhand is a liability only against players who can generate
exceptional topspin consistently (equivalently, only against Nadal). It is not a
liability per se in the modern game.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

ferru is 32 and has no weapons. he took home 7 titles last year.

this year he was in the finals of RG.



slams become more difficult to snatch after 31 or 32 but players can keep winning smaller titles if they have the drive and if they love the sport.


we had at least 13 players age 30 or over win titles this year.

roger should set a goal of 100 titles and work to hard to make that happen.

that is assuming he absolutely loves the sport and wants to hang round a bit longer.


top rankings and slams is probably a thing of the past now.
you win what you can and keep your rankings reasonably high anyway.


roger is still plenty talented.

at least he has some weapons to work with.



chris evert has suggested that he needs to dig in and try to become a more of a grinder.

high risk tennis does not always work.

I don't think this bigger racquet is going to help. its the way he is waging war out there on the court. he has to be willing to change the style of play to some extent.

he is not patient enough. he has to be willing to craft points.

If Roger feels he does not have a chance of winning slams, he will surely quit.
He is not going to hang around trying to win a whole bunch of ATP 250s.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Roger Federer will double up in Shanghai next month. The world No. 6 plans to play doubles with Zhang Ze, China's top-ranked men's player, at the Shanghai Masters, which begins on October 6.

World No. 180 Zhang, who grew up looking up to Federer, received a wild card into the tournament.

"I was surprised when first told about it," Zhang told Shanghai Daily. "But I'm looking forward to it and will try to learn something from the matches."

Federer's last ATP doubles match came when he partnered longtime friend Tommy Haas in Halle last June. They lost to Jurgen Melzer and Philipp Petzschner, 7-6, 6-4. Federer hasn't played doubles in a Masters 1000 tournament since he partnered compatriot Stanislas Wawrinka to reach the 2011 Indian Wells final, where they fell to Xavier Malisse and Alexandr Dolgopolov, 6-4, 6-7, 10-7.

I saw this news and found it crazy. Normally, players who want to play doubles will
form their own teams. It looks like that was not the case here as otherwise, there is no
reason for Zhang to be surprised. It looks like the tournament organizers played the
role of a matchmaker. I wonder whether Roger is getting some sort of
"appearance fee" for this.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

the fedster is capable of a 'Sampras-at-the-USO2002-run'

He's not, if he has to face Nadal...

can you not drag nadal into everything single thread. there are other things going on :huh:

in 2013 nadal won 14 matches in half the majors, and zero matches in the other half of majors..

other players can defeat nadal, or his own knees can defeat him,

and the fedster is still capable of a 'Sampras-at-the-USO2002-run'.

Jesus,

Kieran did not say, Fed is not capable of such a run. He only said he is not capable
of such a run, if he has to face Bull.