Roger Federer Announces Retirement

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I also heard them say today that he says he'd like to commentate Wimbledon.
He’d be great at that, he was always a sharp analyst of his own game. Can imagine someday him and Rafa in the booth together. They’d be constantly giggling while the match is being played..
 

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He’d be great at that, he was always a sharp analyst of his own game. Can imagine someday him and Rafa in the booth together. They’d be constantly giggling while the match is being played..

Sorry! Pass! i get little out of them playing! Listening to them "harking back" would be even less entertaining; esp. from a bore like Rafa! :yawningface: :face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

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Sorry! Pass! i get little out of them playing! Listening to them "harking back" would be even less entertaining; esp. from a bore like Rafa! :yawningface: :face-with-hand-over-mouth:
You get little out of them playing! They’re two of the greatest ever! Even though I hated Agassi, McEnroe and Connors with a feeling, I still found something to (grudgingly) admire in their tennis…
 

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You get little out of them playing! They’re two of the greatest ever! Even though I hated Agassi, McEnroe and Connors with a feeling, I still found something to (grudgingly) admire in their tennis…

I've written about this many times! I can appreciate any player, but that doesn't mean they can entertain me with their play! Fed's the best! He's the complete package of skill, grace, & humility that we crave from our stars! Even though I thought his early reign was assisted by weak competition, he did get fat off personal pigeons; esp. A-Rod! IMO, the Fedal rivalry was so one-sided; esp. early on! We all made excuses giving Roger the "benefit of the doubt" due to so many losses on clay; esp. in 5 setters when Masters' were still being decided in BO5 finals! The romaticism of their so called rivalry was born w/ '08 Wimbledon Final! I appreciate Novak for bringing them both down a peg or 2, literally owning the 2010's! He got to all their milestones sooner w/ fresh legs and a relaxed mind!

History will realistically believe Fedalovic to be on the same level! I feel fortunate enough to live thru the 90's when competition was still comp.! No top player; even Sampras could take other players for granted! Court specialists could take him out! The last couple of decades has seen unprecdented dominatation by "The Big 4!" The comp. was there, but inexplicably that top echolon was only cracked a little w/ Murray & Wawrinka! Looks like things are opening up w/ Carlos getting to #1 so early! Who would ofThunk it? I did (& hoped), but it's still something to see; a true changing of the guard! It's not just another switch amongst the same 3 or 4 guys! Ruud came out of nowhere! He's the most annonymous #2 in world history of ATP rankings OTTH! End rant! :fearful-face: :astonished-face::yawningface::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

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How can you hate McEnroe,he is like the both of us from Irish heritage.jajaja

I started watching and playing tennis when it was still a gentleman's sport; 1971! Connors, McEnroe, & Agassi openly challenged the status quo, wanting to "open it" up to the common fan! Understood! It was still obnoxious and offensive at times! I craved for Borg and Lendl to silence their fandom! Novak's doing it with Fedal who the Tennis Intelligentsia believes the game begins and ends with them! Thank goodness for Novak to help keep things in perspective! :fearful-face::astonished-face::yawningface::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 

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BTW I thought Fronty would make an appearance seeing he is a long time Federer fan, also from ( Irish heritage)
 
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I've written about this many times! I can appreciate any player, but that doesn't mean they can entertain me with their play! Fed's the best! He's the complete package of skill, grace, & humility that we crave from our stars! Even though I thought his early reign was assisted by weak competition, he did get fat off personal pigeons; esp. A-Rod! IMO, the Fedal rivalry was so one-sided; esp. early on! We all made excuses giving Roger the "benefit of the doubt" due to so many losses on clay; esp. in 5 setters when Masters' were still being decided in BO5 finals! The romaticism of their so called rivalry was born w/ '08 Wimbledon Final! I appreciate Novak for bringing them both down a peg or 2, literally owning the 2010's! He got to all their milestones sooner w/ fresh legs and a relaxed mind!

History will realistically believe Fedalovic to be on the same level! I feel fortunate enough to live thru the 90's when competition was still comp.! No top player; even Sampras could take other players for granted! Court specialists could take him out! The last couple of decades has seen unprecdented dominatation by "The Big 4!" The comp. was there, but inexplicably that top echolon was only cracked a little w/ Murray & Wawrinka! Looks like things are opening up w/ Carlos getting to #1 so early! Who would ofThunk it? I did (& hoped), but it's still something to see; a true changing of the guard! It's not just another switch amongst the same 3 or 4 guys! Ruud came out of nowhere! He's the most annonymous #2 in world history of ATP rankings OTTH! End rant! :fearful-face: :astonished-face::yawningface::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
Djokovic with a relaxed mind :lol6: He is constantly smashing his rackets and loses the plot on the court almost every tournament:thinking-face::shushing-face::face-with-symbols-on-mouth:
 
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I started watching and playing tennis when it was still a gentleman's sport; 1971! Connors, McEnroe, & Agassi openly challenged the status quo, wanting to "open it" up to the common fan! Understood! It was still obnoxious and offensive at times! I craved for Borg and Lendl to silence their fandom! Novak's doing it with Fedal who the Tennis Intelligentsia believes the game begins and ends with them! Thank goodness for Novak to help keep things in perspective! :fearful-face::astonished-face::yawningface::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
Fiero Do you have the original Stan Smith Addis shoes ? If so you have a collector item
 

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Fiero, do you have the original Stan Smith Adidas shoes? If so. you have a collector item.

Even though those Smith shoes were some of the best at the time, I tended to go w/ a cheaper shoe as a teenager since I went thru them in just 2 wks! I played on cement mostly & was on my feet running around for well over 12 hrs every day! The 1st good shoe I bought was K-Swiss in the mid 70's since we had option to re-sole! It wasn't worth it in the end w/ the size being off the 1st & only time I did it! I loved Diadoras over all else when I played back in the 90's as an adult! They were durable, very comfortable, & more reasonably priced when I bought them! :fearful-face: :yawningface::face-with-hand-over-mouth::shushing-face:
 
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Oh, Pls! You live for my rants! You & others I ignore are constantly looking for my attn. & love my historic perspective if I may be immodest! :face-with-tears-of-joy:
Yes, your "get off my lawn" old man approach does make me laugh, but your disparaging of Fedal in favor of Novak doesn't really hold water. If you really loved tennis, you'd love guys that play it well, or at least appreciate them. You don't even want them to commentate in retirement. At a certain point, your crabbiness doesn't make sense. But you do you. You always will. PS: Your historic perspective isn't as interesting as you think. Appreciating the time we live would sometimes be more valid.
 
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Ruud came out of nowhere! He's the most annonymous #2 in world history of ATP rankings OTTH! End rant! :fearful-face: :astonished-face::yawningface::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
Don't forget about Magnus Norman and Tommy Haas. Not "anonymous," but I wouldn't be surprised if Ruud ends up with a better career than either of those two. Norman only reached one Slam Final, reached a Slam QF only three times, won a single Masters (and 12 titles overall). Haas was around forever, but only won a single Masters, 15 titles overall, and never reached a Slam Final but did reach eight Slam QFs (and 4 SFs).

Meanwhile, Ruud's still only 23 (24 in December) and has already reached two Slam Finals and won nine titles, though hasn't won a Masters.
 
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Don't forget about Magnus Norman and Tommy Haas. Not "anonymous," but I wouldn't be surprised if Ruud ends up with a better career than either of those two. Norman only reached one Slam Final, reached a Slam QF only three times, won a single Masters (and 12 titles overall). Haas was around forever, but only won a single Masters, 15 titles overall, and never reached a Slam Final but did reach eight Slam QFs (and 4 SFs).

Meanwhile, Ruud's still only 23 (24 in December) and has already reached two Slam Finals and won nine titles, though hasn't won a Masters.
Ruud is getting a bit of the Rodney Dangerfield. Maybe he did sneak in a bit with the RG final, (NOT a total shock,) but he's looking like everyone's pick to be the next RG new winner, at least someday. Passing Thiem. He's got a lot of upside, and just has yet to find his way on HCs. I like him. Plus, the rankings are weird right now.
 

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Ruud is getting a bit of the Rodney Dangerfield. Maybe he did sneak in a bit with the RG final, (NOT a total shock,) but he's looking like everyone's pick to be the next RG new winner, at least someday. Passing Thiem. He's got a lot of upside, and just has yet to find his way on HCs. I like him. Plus, the rankings are weird right now.
Yep, though I'm not sure I agree on the "a lot of upside" part, or at least it depends upon how much upside you mean. Don't get me wrong: I think Ruud is a very good player already, which is why I defended him. But he reminds me a bit of David Ferrer - not necessarily his playing style, but potential position on the tour: a guy who is never one of the very best, but who is always around. But unlike Ferrer, there won't be a Big Three for at least some of Ruud's prime, so he might be able to snag more big titles than Ferrer's lone Masters.

The total impact of the Big Three cannot be understated: Not only did they dominate the Slams for 15+ years, but big titles as a whole. Obviously more Masters feel through the cracks than Slams, and you can see their hold on the tour loosen up in the Masters series over the last half decade, but for awhile there almost no one else was winning even a Masters, except for the occasional exception.

Some of us have mentioned the fact that Andy Murray is, in some ways, the most unfortunate great player in that he peaked at the very same time as the Big Three. The fact that he won 3 Slams and 20 big titles is a testament to his tenacity and talent - a finer resume than all but maybe a dozen or so players in the Open Era, and one that would have been even better if he had been born 10 years earlier or 10 years later. But Ferrer, though a lesser player, also suffered from the timing of his career. If he had peaked in the late 90s and early 00s, he'd probably have won a Roland Garros or two and piled up some Masters.
 

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Yep, though I'm not sure I agree on the "a lot of upside" part, or at least it depends upon how much upside you mean. Don't get me wrong: I think Ruud is a very good player already, which is why I defended him. But he reminds me a bit of David Ferrer - not necessarily his playing style, but potential position on the tour: a guy who is never one of the very best, but who is always around. But unlike Ferrer, there won't be a Big Three for at least some of Ruud's prime, so he might be able to snag more big titles than Ferrer's lone Masters.

The total impact of the Big Three cannot be understated: Not only did they dominate the Slams for 15+ years, but big titles as a whole. Obviously more Masters feel through the cracks than Slams, and you can see their hold on the tour loosen up in the Masters series over the last half decade, but for awhile there almost no one else was winning even a Masters, except for the occasional exception.

Some of us have mentioned the fact that Andy Murray is, in some ways, the most unfortunate great player in that he peaked at the very same time as the Big Three. The fact that he won 3 Slams and 20 big titles is a testament to his tenacity and talent - a finer resume than all but maybe a dozen or so players in the Open Era, and one that would have been even better if he had been born 10 years earlier or 10 years later. But Ferrer, though a lesser player, also suffered from the timing of his career. If he had peaked in the late 90s and early 00s, he'd probably have won a Roland Garros or two and piled up some Masters.
You're sort of making my point and your own with Murray and Ferrer. We're going to have to return to grading on a normal curve, pretty soon. Federer has retired, Rafa has one foot out, and Novak, other-worldly tennis yesterday, merely mortal and beatable today. We're about to go back to a place where, yes, Ruud has a lot of up-side.
 
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You're sort of making my point and your own with Murray and Ferrer. We're going to have to return to grading on a normal curve, pretty soon. Federer has retired, Rafa has one foot out, and Novak, other-worldly tennis yesterday, merely mortal and beatable today. We're about to go back to a place where, yes, Ruud has a lot of up-side.

Ok, fair enough - so it is mostly semantics, and point taken re: “a normal curve.” I’ve kind of made a similar point to our dear hyperbolic friend @Fiero425 when trashes everyone for not being Borg or Roger etc.

I just see a half dozen young(ish) guys who I see as having higher upside. Doesn’t mean Ruud isn’t really good or won’t win some big titles, though.


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