yea your right it is a waste of time trying to talk these Federer and Djokovic fans who are living in [dream land]@Nadal goat2 Don't waste your time with Federer (and Djokovic) fans. Recently they even said that Federer had a higher peak than Nadal on clay. :cuckoo: For them Federer is so perfect he's the best at everything. Of course you are right that Thiem has a better game style than Federer, they are just in denial. What will they argue next, that Federer has a better looking butt than Thiem?