"Rafael Nadal Treats His Back With Stem Cells"

[GameSetAndMath]

Slavery was considered legal too once; just saying.

 

[Kieran]

Slavery was considered legal too once; just saying.

This contributes nothing, actually. Come on, you're better than this, I hope. The only conclusion can be drawn from this level of cynicism is that any legal treatments and supplements Federer, Nadal and everybody else is using, is suspect because although it's legal and they're have a right to use it, it maybe illegal in the future?

In which case, their use of it when it's legal is somehow wrong? :cover

 

[tented]

Slavery was considered legal too once; just saying.

That's an irrelevant, unhelpful addition to this discussion.

 

[Front242]

The fact that stem cell treatment is banned in Italy and apparently going to be reviewed by WADA in 2015 though shows they're concerned about it and as with PRP there's significant risk of major abuse. Then again, they legalized that so maybe they just don't care as much as the general public would like them to.

 

[tented]

The fact that stem cell treatment is banned in Italy and apparently going to be reviewed by WADA in 2015 though shows they're concerned about it and as with PRP there's significant risk of major abuse. Then again, they legalized that so maybe they just don't care as much as the general public would like them to.

In other words, it's a legitimate, legal procedure. Got it.

 

[Kieran]

The fact that stem cell treatment is banned in Italy and apparently going to be reviewed by WADA in 2015 though shows they're concerned about it and as with PRP there's significant risk of major abuse. Then again, they legalized that so maybe they just don't care as much as the general public would like them to.

Or maybe they know more than the general public? I doubt they're wholly reliant on Google.

One concern I have about Rafa's return is that he's hardly played since Wimbledon. He's going to be cramming in whatever exos he can - Moolahbula - and then Doha, where Novak is playing.

A bonus is that his main rivals will be holidaying in India... :snigger

 

[Front242]

The fact that stem cell treatment is banned in Italy and apparently going to be reviewed by WADA in 2015 though shows they're concerned about it and as with PRP there's significant risk of major abuse. Then again, they legalized that so maybe they just don't care as much as the general public would like them to.

In other words, it's a legitimate, legal procedure. Got it.

Yeah, so legal they deemed it worthy of being banned in Italy. Got it.

 

[tented]

The fact that stem cell treatment is banned in Italy and apparently going to be reviewed by WADA in 2015 though shows they're concerned about it and as with PRP there's significant risk of major abuse. Then again, they legalized that so maybe they just don't care as much as the general public would like them to.

In other words, it's a legitimate, legal procedure. Got it.

Yeah, so legal they deemed it worthy of being banned in Italy. Got it.

One country out of how many? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Quit trying to cast a dark cloud over an allowed procedure. If Roger were undergoing this, it would be hailed as a medical miracle. But since it's Rafa ...

 

[Front242]

^ Well, I could also say since it's Rafa that's why my post about stem cell treatment was originally deleted for no apparent reason other than sour grapes.

 

[tented]

^ Well, I could also say since it's Rafa that's why my post about stem cell treatment was originally deleted for no apparent reason other than sour grapes.

No, you can't claim that, because it wasn't the case. It was deleted because it was about PEDs/doping, and not posted in the correct place, as you've been told a million times.

The number of existing posts concerning Rafa and this topic tells the true story. If there were an agenda to stop this entirely, that would be obvious.

 

[Kieran]

The fact that stem cell treatment is banned in Italy and apparently going to be reviewed by WADA in 2015 though shows they're concerned about it and as with PRP there's significant risk of major abuse. Then again, they legalized that so maybe they just don't care as much as the general public would like them to.

In other words, it's a legitimate, legal procedure. Got it.

Yeah, so legal they deemed it worthy of being banned in Italy. Got it.

It's legal according to WADA. Got that?

 

[Front242]

^ So it should've been moved and not deleted. In any case the article said nothing about Nadal but was deleted anyway. At least it was left there 2nd time round anyway since it shows the large potential for undetectable abuse with this procedure.

 

[Front242]

In other words, it's a legitimate, legal procedure. Got it.

Yeah, so legal they deemed it worthy of being banned in Italy. Got it.

It's legal according to WADA. Got that?

And they're reviewing it 'cos it's dodgy. Got that?

 

[tented]

^ So it should've been moved and not deleted. In any case the article said nothing about Nadal but was deleted anyway. At least it was left there 2nd time round anyway since it shows the large potential for undetectable abuse with this procedure.

You made libelous, unsubstantiated claims in that post. That's why it was deleted. The second time you posted it, you did not make such claims. That's why it wasn't deleted.

 

[Kieran]

Yeah, so legal they deemed it worthy of being banned in Italy. Got it.

It's legal according to WADA. Got that?

And they're reviewing it 'cos it's dodgy. Got that?

Now, they aren't "reviewing it cos it's dodgy". They're reviewing it to see if it's dodgy.

Got that?

If it is, they'll ban it. But they'll bring their expertise to bear on it.

As of now, it's perfectly legit. And I think we've all "got that."

 

[Front242]

^ So it should've been moved and not deleted. In any case the article said nothing about Nadal but was deleted anyway. At least it was left there 2nd time round anyway since it shows the large potential for undetectable abuse with this procedure.

You made libelous, unsubstantiated claims in that post. That's why it was deleted. The second time you posted it, you did not make such claims. That's why it wasn't deleted.

I said it sounded dodgy and it does. And that's all I said.

 

[tented]

^ So it should've been moved and not deleted. In any case the article said nothing about Nadal but was deleted anyway. At least it was left there 2nd time round anyway since it shows the large potential for undetectable abuse with this procedure.

You made libelous, unsubstantiated claims in that post. That's why it was deleted. The second time you posted it, you did not make such claims. That's why it wasn't deleted.

I said it sounded dodgy and it does. And that's all I said.

No, that's not the extent of what you posted, and you know it. If you wish to discuss this further, send me a PM. I'm not going to continue debating this in public.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Slavery was considered legal too once; just saying.

That's an irrelevant, unhelpful addition to this discussion.

I am not attempting to bash Rafa here; I obviously don't know whether he is doing anything wrong.

My point is simple and straightforward. Just because something is legal does not make it right.

Almost every poster in this forum bashed Milos for touching the net and not admitting that to the referee. Actually, what he did was 100% legal. No, not touching the net. He is not required to admit that he indeed touched the net. It is referee's job to figure out that he did so. If the referee does not figure out it is hard luck for the opponent. He acted completely legally; by that I mean, not just according to the laws of Canada where the tournament was held, but within the rules of tennis as codified in the ATP/ITF rule book. But, still everybody said Milos is wrong.

Now, you may say that and this are not comparable. If somebody (I am not saying Rafa does)
is gaining unfair competitive advantage through improper but legal means, it is comparable.

Actually, it is lot worse. One can say Milos cheated on one point. But, it could be said that
somebody who gains improper competitive advantage by legal means is cheating on every point.

 

[tented]

Slavery was considered legal too once; just saying.

That's an irrelevant, unhelpful addition to this discussion.

I obviously don't know whether he is doing anything wrong.

Actually, you do know. He is undergoing a legal, WADA-approved treatment. End of story.

 

[Kieran]

That's an irrelevant, unhelpful addition to this discussion.

I obviously don't know whether he is doing anything wrong.

Actually, you do know. He is undergoing a legal, WADA-approved treatment. End of story.

Exactly. The only thing to be suspicious of is woefully inadequate analogies like the one above...