Post-Draw USO Poll

Who will win USO Men's Championship?


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GameSetAndMath

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Clay Death said:
andy murray has just one vote and he is the defending champion.

he also just finished winning Wimbledon.

It is because of people like you who start threads with titles
"Andy Murray is the Future King of Tennis", "Dunblane Warriror is Great" etc
and then deserting him when it comes time to vote.

p.s. Iona, it is your chance to double Murray's vote count.;)
 

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nadal changed the dynamic in a matter of 2 weeks. now I have to believe that the clay warrior is on a quest again.

it is still andy if nadal does not finish the job he started in montreal and cinci.


why would I abandon andy? he is one of my players and has been for a long time.
 

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andy is the king of tennis by the way if he wins the u.s. open.

how long it lasts is anybody`s guess but he is the king of our sport if he snags the crown again.
 

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The USO will be about peaking @ the right time,Ivan Lendl has helped Murray with this.Roger did not play Montreal,is he trying a last push to win a Slam?I will be keeping a close eye on Roger @ the USO.IE,who wins in straight sets in the first week should give a guide to the winner.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Clay Death said:
andy murray has just one vote and he is the defending champion.

he also just finished winning Wimbledon.

It is because of people like you who start threads with titles
"Andy Murray is the Future King of Tennis", "Dunblane Warriror is Great" etc
and then deserting him when it comes time to vote.

p.s. Iona, it is your chance to double Murray's vote count.;)

I never vote in polls. It's not that I don't think Andy will win. I'm just very superstitious when it comes to tennis.
 

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What you say both times you didn't vote in the poll Murray won a slam?

I'd say much more relevant is that both times he won slams he played the finals against a Buddhist meditations practicing opponent who was empathic to him. This time there is no chance of that happening again, so you can vote as much as you like. If anything is given that is Murray is not going win this uso.
 

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Mastoor said:
What you say both times you didn't vote in the poll Murray won a slam?

I'd say much more relevant is that both times he won slams he played the finals against a Buddhist meditations practicing opponent who was empathic to him. This time there is no chance of that happening again, so you can vote as much as you like. If anything is given that is Murray is not going win this uso.

No, what I said was I NEVER vote in polls.

I've heard it all Mastoor. Novak felt sorry for his slamless friend. The British PM promised the Serbian President aid if he could convince Djokovic to throw the Wimbledon match. Blah blah blah. I've heard all the conspiracy theories. Apparently, Federer also let Andy win the Olympics as a thank you to the British people for their support over the years. Who knew?

You don't seem to realise that you're insulting Djokovic. He's a professional sportsman. He plays to win - end of. At the US Open last year he lost to the better player on the day. At Wimbledon he lost to the better grass court player. It's that simple. Novak showed a great deal of grace and class after those matches. It's a shame you can't do the same.

Why don't we wait and see if they meet in the semis. If they do and Novak wins then I'm come on here and congratulate him and his fans. If Andy wins then you'll do what you usually do. What is that again? Oh yes, you'll disappear.
 

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Mastoor said:
What you say both times you didn't vote in the poll Murray won a slam?

I'd say much more relevant is that both times he won slams he played the finals against a Buddhist meditations practicing opponent who was empathic to him. This time there is no chance of that happening again, so you can vote as much as you like. If anything is given that is Murray is not going win this uso.

What the heck does that even mean?
 

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Moxie629 said:
Mastoor said:
What you say both times you didn't vote in the poll Murray won a slam?

I'd say much more relevant is that both times he won slams he played the finals against a Buddhist meditations practicing opponent who was empathic to him. This time there is no chance of that happening again, so you can vote as much as you like. If anything is given that is Murray is not going win this uso.

What the heck does that even mean?

During Wimbledon, Novak was apparently visiting a Buddhist temple in the area
and practicing meditation (perhaps to calm his agitated mind). Mastoor was putting a twist
on it, claiming that his practice mad him too compassionate that he felt sympathy for
Murray and gave away the match. I don't buy that and most reasonable people would not
either.

Actually, several years ago, there used to be a Women's Tennis player by name
Andrea Jaeger. She claims that she deliberately lost to Martina Navaratilova in 1983 Wimbledon
because she realized how much winning meant to Martina. Actually, after few years, she quit
competitive tennis completely and became a Nun. Of course, no one can say for sure
whether she did throw away the match or not. While it might be true that she might not
have competed to the extent she could, I do not think she is any match for Martina's
talent and Martina would have won even if she had chosen to fight.

Here is the wiki page for Andrea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Jaeger

Here is the alleged story of her throwing away match to Martina.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-1031959/EXCLUSIVE-Jaegers-confession--I-let-Martina-win-title.html
 

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tented said:
The qualifying rounds produce 16 qualifiers. If you look at last year's draw, sure enough there are 16 qualifiers. However, in this year's draw there are slots for 17. Is this because an extra spot was created by Fish (or someone else) withdrawing?

Also, does anyone know how the 17th person would be selected? It would have to be one of the 16 runners-up, right? So I guess the guy who won the most sets/games/points?

I realize most people will consider this to be a picayune concern, but I'm hoping someone has the answers anyway.

1. Yes, it was caused by Mardy Fish's withdrawal. If a player withdraws, before the
qualifying competition commences, the spot goes to the next person in the waiting list
as per the rank order. If a player withdraws after the qualifying competition commences
the spot will be awarded to a lucky loser only.

2. I am quoting below a paragraph which explains as to how the lucky loser is
determined. What I said before captures the spirit, but not the details. They do not
randomly select one of the 16 losers. They first form a pool of four highest ranked
losers of the final qualifying round and then randomly select one of them.

Now for the official wordings.

Lucky Losers are those players who have lost in the final round of the Qualifying competition or, if more Lucky Losers are required, those players who have lost in the previous qualifying rounds. Lucky Losers shall be selected based on the computer rankings used for the determination of qualifying seedings as follows: The order of the four (4) highest ranked players shall be randomly drawn, thereafter the order shall follow the players' rankings, unless there are more than two (2) main draw withdrawals at the time the Qualifying competition is finished in which case the size of the random draw will be the number of withdrawals plus two (2).
 

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Blogger Picks for the USO:

Johan Kriek: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Daga Kriek: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Chris Lewis: Novak Djokovic
Scoop Malinowski: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Jesse Pentecost: Novak Djokovic / Victoria Azarenka
Arienna Lee: Andy Murray / Serena Williams
Broken Shoelace: Novak Djokovic / Serena Williams
El Dude: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Masterclass: Rafael Nadal
Moxie: Rafael Nadal / Victoria Azarenka
Britbox: Novak Djokovic / Serena Williams
 

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Andrea Jaeger would have been told on her first day in nun college: don't tell porky pies... :nono
 

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In today's Sunday Times, Pat Cash claims Murray won't win the US Open. His rationale? That Pat himself found it tough to get back in the saddle for the Open after winning Wimbledon in 1987.

Mm-kay! :s
 

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britbox said:
Blogger Picks for the USO:

Johan Kriek: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Daga Kriek: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Chris Lewis: Novak Djokovic
Scoop Malinowski: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Jesse Pentecost: Novak Djokovic / Victoria Azarenka
Arienna Lee: Andy Murray / Serena Williams
Broken Shoelace: Novak Djokovic / Serena Williams
El Dude: Rafael Nadal / Serena Williams
Masterclass: Rafael Nadal
Moxie: Rafael Nadal / Victoria Azarenka
Britbox: Novak Djokovic / Serena Williams




excellent stuff.


:D:D
 

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Kieran said:
In today's Sunday Times, Pat Cash claims Murray won't win the US Open. His rationale? That Pat himself found it tough to get back in the saddle for the Open after winning Wimbledon in 1987.

Mm-kay! :s



his countryman, rafter, is usually right but I am not sure of pat cash`s ability to predict accurately.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
tented said:
The qualifying rounds produce 16 qualifiers. If you look at last year's draw, sure enough there are 16 qualifiers. However, in this year's draw there are slots for 17. Is this because an extra spot was created by Fish (or someone else) withdrawing?

Also, does anyone know how the 17th person would be selected? It would have to be one of the 16 runners-up, right? So I guess the guy who won the most sets/games/points?

I realize most people will consider this to be a picayune concern, but I'm hoping someone has the answers anyway.

1. Yes, it was caused by Mardy Fish's withdrawal. If a player withdraws, before the
qualifying competition commences, the spot goes to the next person in the waiting list
as per the rank order. If a player withdraws after the qualifying competition commences
the spot will be awarded to a lucky loser only.

2. I am quoting below a paragraph which explains as to how the lucky loser is
determined. What I said before captures the spirit, but not the details. They do not
randomly select one of the 16 losers. They first form a pool of four highest ranked
losers of the final qualifying round and then randomly select one of them.

Now for the official wordings.

Lucky Losers are those players who have lost in the final round of the Qualifying competition or, if more Lucky Losers are required, those players who have lost in the previous qualifying rounds. Lucky Losers shall be selected based on the computer rankings used for the determination of qualifying seedings as follows: The order of the four (4) highest ranked players shall be randomly drawn, thereafter the order shall follow the players' rankings, unless there are more than two (2) main draw
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withdrawals at the time the Qualifying competition is finished in which case the size of the random draw will be the number of withdrawals plus two (2).

Thank you! I appreciate the answer. :)
 

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tented said:
GameSetAndMath said:
tented said:
The qualifying rounds produce 16 qualifiers. If you look at last year's draw, sure enough there are 16 qualifiers. However, in this year's draw there are slots for 17. Is this because an extra spot was created by Fish (or someone else) withdrawing?

Also, does anyone know how the 17th person would be selected? It would have to be one of the 16 runners-up, right? So I guess the guy who won the most sets/games/points?

I realize most people will consider this to be a picayune concern, but I'm hoping someone has the answers anyway.

1. Yes, it was caused by Mardy Fish's withdrawal. If a player withdraws, before the
qualifying competition commences, the spot goes to the next person in the waiting list
as per the rank order. If a player withdraws after the qualifying competition commences
the spot will be awarded to a lucky loser only.

2. I am quoting below a paragraph which explains as to how the lucky loser is
determined. What I said before captures the spirit, but not the details. They do not
randomly select one of the 16 losers. They first form a pool of four highest ranked
losers of the final qualifying round and then randomly select one of them.

Now for the official wordings.

Lucky Losers are those players who have lost in the final round of the Qualifying competition or, if more Lucky Losers are required, those players who have lost in the previous qualifying rounds. Lucky Losers shall be selected based on the computer rankings used for the determination of qualifying seedings as follows: The order of the four (4) highest ranked players shall be randomly drawn, thereafter the order shall follow the players' rankings, unless there are more than two (2) main draw
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withdrawals at the time the Qualifying competition is finished in which case the size of the random draw will be the number of withdrawals plus two (2).

Thank you! I appreciate the answer. :)

By the way, one might be wondering as to why not simply select the highest ranked
player from the 16 losers. Once again, the reason is to preserve the integrity of the
qualifying matches against collusion attack. Supposing, in the final round players A
and B are supposed to play each other and say, player A is the highest ranked player
alive at that point. Then player A, knows win or lose, he will get a spot in the main
draw (if he wins, by virtue of winning and if he loses, by virtue of being the highest
ranked loser) and hence he has no incentive to compete. Now if B happens to be
his friend or agrees to give him half of his winning from the main draw earnings, A can
throw away the match to B with the full knowledge that there is no danger of
himself not getting a place in the main draw.
 

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andy murray still with just 1 vote.


del potro has 2 votes.

the defending champ is going to the final folks.
 

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Here is my logic behind the selection, both positive and negative.

Negative: I am ruling out Fed to win at all, based on his form, his age,
his back pain, racquet changing confusion etc. I think Murray
will be too complacent with two GS (including Wimbledon)
under his belt and so will falter. I think Djokovic is lacking
confidence due to the two recent GS losses (in both of
which he had reasonable chances apriori) and it is tough
to win it out without confidence. Nadal, may have peaked
too early. In particular, he was serving unbelievably in
Cincy. I expect a considerable deterioration in his serve
at USO (just because nothing stays the same), which will
lead to his loss. ATP is still not wide open like WTA for
an equivalent of Marion Bartoli to win. Hence, I pick the
player with best credentials outside the big four,
the tall humble man (who has Pope's blessings to boot :)

Positive: JMDP got his first GS in 2009 USO. In 2010, he was out
of action completely (played barely 3 tournaments) due
to wrist surgery. In 2011, he worked his way up in
ranking from infinity to top 100. In 2012, once inside
top 100, he worked his ranking way up to be a member
of top 10. So, finally he is now in a stage where he could
sit on the table with big four and fight with them. He has
won matches against every one of big four. Most recently
he did a fine job at Wimbledon against Djokovic. I am
assuming that he is fully healthy now.

General: Even though there is huge division between the rich and
poor in ATP, there is a parity reached among the rich folks,
as evidenced by four different people winning the four slams
in 2012. I expect this trend to continue for the next one to
four years, without a single player clearly dominating over
everybody else. As Fed is fading (I am sure he will come
back next year), I would give the last prize of this year
to Del Potro, the Tiger.
 

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you heard it here folks. general GSM spells it out perfectly as usual.



del potro the tiger is moving on up to true tennis royalty on the atp tour.

I think it could happen unless roger is able to fix the back issue and makes a powerful statement in 2014.