Novak Djokovic's Vaccine Stance & Visa Troubles

[Moxie]

Novak is being made into a political football, paraded about by Senators Scott and Rubio and Governor DeSantis. Now Tucker Carlson, has brought in the media side of the right. This isn’t going to play well for him.

If you mean that Novak isn't going to get into the US to play Miami, that is likely true. But in the court of public opinion, he's doing much better than the politicos who are treating him as a "football." Politicians on the right took up the Djokovic cause since last summer, even though most of them seem to know no more about tennis than which end of the racquet goes in the hand. Attitudes are changing, in general, as to covid restrictions, but not in enough time for Novak and this part of the calendar in the US. I have no sympathy for him on this. He's made his choice. US bureaucracy moves at its own pace, and I don't expect it to be moved by the desires of tennis. If covid hadn't been politicized from the beginning in this country, things might already be different. For example, our death and infection rate might have been less, and we could have lifted restrictions earlier. But that's all theoretical, and a different question.

 

[Kieran]

If you mean that Novak isn't going to get into the US to play Miami, that is likely true. But in the court of public opinion, he's doing much better than the politicos who are treating him as a "football." Politicians on the right took up the Djokovic cause since last summer, even though most of them seem to know no more about tennis than which end of the racquet goes in the hand. Attitudes are changing, in general, as to covid restrictions, but not in enough time for Novak and this part of the calendar in the US. I have no sympathy for him on this. He's made his choice. US bureaucracy moves at its own pace, and I don't expect it to be moved by the desires of tennis. If covid hadn't been politicized from the beginning in this country, things might already be different. For example, our death and infection rate might have been less, and we could have lifted restrictions earlier. But that's all theoretical, and a different question.

I think the politicians treat everything as a political football in America. The mandate is still in place because of politics, not because of Covid or science. In that sense, and to muddle a laboured metaphor, one political football is trying to score a goal against another, in the case of Novak, who has scored enough own goals himself with regards to covid, that he can have no complaints…

 

[Jelenafan]

CNN:

 

[the AntiPusher]

Novak on a CNN interview today:

The US has no regrets not letting his Covid carrier infected AZZ into our borders..

 

[Fiero425]

The US has no regrets not letting his Covid carrier infected AZZ into our borders..

What else can they say & feel? We'll still look like morons to the world after all this time and the P@ndemic's settled down!

 

[Jelenafan]

FWIW, I thought Novak came across quite well in the interview. He came off sounding both articulate , reasonable and well measured in his responses.

 

[Moxie]

FWIW, I thought Novak came across quite well in the interview. He came off sounding both articulate , reasonable and well measured in his responses.

He did. Of course, he's had 14 months+ to work on that speech. It would be rather more impressive if he'd been so clear-eyed and forthcoming about his principles from the beginning. Now, basically, he's had to back into them. It still bothers me that he often has said it's "out of his hands." (Though he didn't say that here, I don't think.) It's not out of his hands. But it is a choice, which he's articulating better and more often. It doesn't keep him for asking for exemptions, but I guess he lives in hope. (And in confidence of his status.)

 

[Moxie]

What else can they say & feel? We'll still look like morons to the world after all this time and the P@ndemic's settled down!

We, in the US had a very bad time of the pandemic, for a lot of reasons, many of them political, and for that we do look like morons. But likewise for that reason, our policies have been lingering longer than that of other countries. And they don't move to the tennis calendar...you may be shocked to realize.

 

[Fiero425]

FWIW, I thought Novak came across quite well in the interview. He came off sounding both articulate , reasonable and well measured in his responses.

Maybe it's b/c "he is" all that and more! People around here are so busy trying to make him out to be the biggest a-#ole on the tour! It's a LIE!

 

[Moxie]

Maybe it's b/c "he is" all that and more! People around here are so busy trying to make him out to be the biggest a-#ole on the tour! It's a LIE!

Surely there are bigger "a-holes" on the tour. But opinions of Djokovic are not "a lie," they are our perceptions. Some find him principled, generous, and a family man. Others find him hot-headed, often rude on court, and inclined to shoot himself in the foot. Those are opinions. You seem to think Nadal is a terrible person. That's your opinion. There is a distinction between opinions and out-right lies.

 

[Kieran]

Maybe it's b/c "he is" all that and more! People around here are so busy trying to make him out to be the biggest a-#ole on the tour! It's a LIE!

He could be one of the biggest a-holes on the tour though, couldn’t he? I mean, when he clobbered the lineswoman at the USO, then creepily tried to manipulate the tournament officials by stating that she isn’t hurt, she doesn’t have to go to hospital, why apply rules against a Big Man like him just because he battered a worthless woman in the neck? What’s the world coming to, when an important figure actually has to be held accountable for breaking the rules? Shocking injustice!

How many laws did he break during covid, leaving aside the international incident he’d caused by trying to enter Australia under false pretences? How many lies did he tell? Did he ever care about that? He played the victim, but did he ever apologise for trying to ride roughshod over a sovereign country’s laws? He laughed about it, then told further lies on the BBC when he said he takes covid seriously. Cosmetic BS to position himself as a caring individual.

I’m not saying he’s the biggest arsehole on the tour, by the way, but just that we should probably entertain the possibility that he is…

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Surely there are bigger "a-holes" on the tour. But opinions of Djokovic are not "a lie," they are our perceptions. Some find him principled, generous, and a family man. Others find him hot-headed, often rude on court, and inclined to shoot himself in the foot. Those are opinions. You seem to think Nadal is a terrible person. That's your opinion. There is a distinction between opinions and out-right lies.

Saying that Nadal is a terrible person is not an opinion but it's a lie.

 

[BratSrbin]

Djokovic yesterday: "The Australian judge accepted my appeal, but the Minister of Immigration, who has the power to deport whoever he wants without reason, expelled me. But I didn't break the rules. I entered Australia with the necessary and correct documents, as acknowledged by the magistrate of the first trial."

 

[Moxie]

Djokovic yesterday: "The Australian judge accepted my appeal, but the Minister of Immigration, who has the power to deport whoever he wants without reason, expelled me. But I didn't break the rules. I entered Australia with the necessary and correct documents, as acknowledged by the magistrate of the first trial."

I'd like to see the quote where Novak said this, because it's full of errors. Here is a time line. Novak's argument for getting into the country without being vaccinated was that he'd had Covid. That is not, based on Australian statutes at the time, reason enough for entry. He did not have the correct documents, and he also falsified answers on the entry documents he submitted. He signed a document that said he hadn't been to a 3rd country in the recent 14 days, when, in fact, he'd been in Spain. His attempted entry into Australia was under false pretenses. You can keep trying to re-litigate this, but the bottom line is that a positive covid result was not on the list of exemptions.

 

[BratSrbin]

I'd like to see the quote where Novak said this, because it's full of errors. Here is a time line. Novak's argument for getting into the country without being vaccinated was that he'd had Covid. That is not, based on Australian statutes at the time, reason enough for entry. He did not have the correct documents, and he also falsified answers on the entry documents he submitted. He signed a document that said he hadn't been to a 3rd country in the recent 14 days, when, in fact, he'd been in Spain. His attempted entry into Australia was under false pretenses. You can keep trying to re-litigate this, but the bottom line is that a positive covid result was not on the is of exemptions.

First let me answer your request. No1e gave an interview to "Sportmediaset", you can read it in the original, in Italian. I have a Serbian translation.

What I have insisted on before, you and many others from this forum, will not or do not want to accept. It is the essence of my statement. There is only one truth, see it in No1e's statement regarding this extremly heavy incident. And you can also look at the documents from this case, the court decision and the decision of the competent minister from that time.

 

[Kieran]

Djokovic yesterday: "The Australian judge accepted my appeal, but the Minister of Immigration, who has the power to deport whoever he wants without reason, expelled me. But I didn't break the rules. I entered Australia with the necessary and correct documents, as acknowledged by the magistrate of the first trial."

He broke several rules, actually, and some laws. He had absolutely no grounds to enter the country, but expected that a bit of expensive lying and bullying might work. He has no integrity after that. @Moxie has listed his sins for you, try to memorise them. If that’s too hard, then reread the whole thread, that should do it…

 

[BratSrbin]

He broke several rules, actually, and some laws. He had absolutely no grounds to enter the country, but expected that a bit of expensive lying and bullying might work. He has no integrity after that. @Moxie has listed his sins for you, try to memorise them. If that’s too hard, then reread the whole thread, that should do it…

Don't fool around. The court said that everything was according to the regulations.
"Djokovic won the first appeal on procedural grounds, but in the second go-round in court, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke’s right to to deport Djokovic was confirmed."
If you don't know how to read what is written, let your son explain it to you.

 

[Kieran]

Don't fool around. The court said that everything was according to the regulations.
"Djokovic won the first appeal on procedural grounds, but in the second go-round in court, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke’s right to to deport Djokovic was confirmed."
If you don't know how to read what is written, let your son explain it to you.

The ministers “right to deport Djokovic was confirmed.” That’s the meat of it. A right based on law.

“Procedural grounds” refers an issue in the procedure of how he was processed. None of that says he should have been allowed in by law. Read the thread, it’s been argued. Your national hero lost badly. What a pity it wasn’t Rafa who attempted that scam, then you could agree with me…

 

[BratSrbin]

The ministers “right to deport Djokovic was confirmed.” That’s the meat of it. A right based on law.

“Procedural grounds” refers an issue in the procedure of how he was processed. “Procedural grounds” refers an issue in the procedure of how he was processed. None of that says he should have been allowed in by law.Read the thread, it’s been argued. Your national hero lost badly. What a pity it wasn’t Rafa who attempted that scam, then you could agree with me…

Are you OK?

The procedure for entering Australia was completely correct, the court says. Entering Australia too. And No1e entered Australia. With every right. And he even trained for several days, I believe you can at least remember some of it. No one has ever disputed this.

Your construction "None of that says he should have been allowed in by law" is just that - construction, for the uninitiated.

Minister Alex Hawke has used his discretionary right ,the power to deport whoever he wants, from foreigners, normally, to evict whoever he wants, regardless of the facts, the reason and the law. And NO ONE can dispute that. The law gave him that right. In this way, he saved the face of the Australian government, which was not working according to the law because the court found that.

Sapienti sat.

 

[Kieran]

Are you OK?

The procedure for entering Australia was completely correct, the court says. Entering Australia too. And No1e entered Australia. With every right. And he even trained for several days, I believe you can at least remember some of it.

Your construction "None of that says he should have been allowed in by law" is just that - construction, for the uninitiated.

Minister Alex Hawke has used his discretionary right ,the power to deport whoever he wants, from foreigners, normally, to evict whoever he wants, regardless of the facts, the reason and the law, and NO ONE can dispute that. The law gave him that right. In this way, he saved the face of the Australian government, which was not working according to the law because the court found that.

Sapienti sat.

I have to say, I admire in a way the stubbornness of Djokovic fans (largely Serbians) to resist the truth.

He had no legitimate reason to enter Australia unless he was vaccinated. Here’s a brief piece of literature that you might wade through, that explains it clearly…