Nadal under cover of Wada

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There is an anti Russian bias in the USA media now - Povetkin the Russian no 1 contender boxer lost his heavyweight title shot vs Deontay Wilder - Hillary Clinton and our Mainstream Media are constantly demonizing Russia - anything is possible including a political propaganda agenda against Russian athletes -
I'm not sure it's an anti-Russian bias in the US media, though our own Teddy weighs in that it is. What's strange is that the Democrats are so cautious about Russia, and the Republicans are, at least in the guise of Trump, being pro-Putin. This is the current US politics divide, and is completely counter-intuitive to the way it would normally go. Odd times. But as regards to sports, I don't know if it's as simplistic as the West demonizing Russia. Is it? A lot of Russian athletes have been found to be doping. This is in line with the old Soviet guard...historic disregard for doping regulations. And so now, is it just that? Or is it Western prejudice targeting Eastern/Russian athletes, and protecting Western ones? OMG...it's the Cold War all over again! Now I might just have to watch a Bond movie.
 
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But what and which suspicions are aroused? I'm saying that the ITF/WADA doesn't release, but Nadal has spoken about procedures he's undergone. The lack of disclosure is on the powers that be, is it not? Did you read what the TUEs were for Nadal? 25 Sept. 2009: 3mg Betamethasone - one time, intramuscular. (This was in a year when he'd had an injury lay-off for tendinitis in the knees.) 30 July 2012: Corticotropin - intramuscular, 1x every 3 days, expires 8 Aug. (This was during an injury lay-off. Note that the time allotment would have only allowed for 5 shots, and Nadal didn't play again for 5+ months.) I think Nadal's TUEs make sense. I'm not sure where you're going with Sharapova being targeted, though. For what reason?

Sharapova was not targeted. She took a drug for ten years that she never listed. She claims that she didn't read her emails from WADA, a governing body. She continued to take the drug even after she was banned and now she gives WADA the bird for her own transgressions. What a world we live in where wrong is right. Sharapova, IMO, should be banned and stripped for knowingly cheating throughout the course of her career. She says ten years, I say she cheated from the beginning. It's a sad day in tennis when she is allowed back on the court. She's a liar and a filthy drug cheat. I don't understand why they've elevated her so much, she is average looking physically and her tennis skills are average as well.
 
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More people need to speak out against Sharapova. This shortened ban is disgusting.

Stosur Cannot Believe Sharapova Got Away With Excuse

http://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET-POSTS/October-2016/Stosur-Can-t-Believe-Sharapova-Got-Away-With-Excu.aspx

Samantha Stosur is stunned Maria Sharapova got away with the "excuse" she didn't realize meldonium was banned before testing positive for the drug at the Australian Open.

Former US Open champion Stosur said Sharapova winning a shortened suspension from two years to 15 months in her doping case "really sets a bad precedence for athletes."

“I can’t believe it actually,” Stosur told the media before the start of the Hong Kong Open. “I think it ... I don’t even know what to say.

“I don’t know how you can get away with that excuse [that she didn’t know it was banned], and have that [two-year ban] overturned. I think it’s remarkable that you can use that excuse and get away with it. It really sets a bad precedence for athletes moving forward where you can almost put your hands up and say it was not my fault.”

The 32-year-old Australian said most of the players she's spoken to share her point of view.

Stosur suggested Sharapova may not receive much support from her colleagues on the WTA Tour when she returns to action next spring.

“I’ve spoken to a few people and we all seem to have the same idea,” Stosur said. “We had the same idea beforehand, and now we have the decision. So I wouldn’t imagine there’s a whole lot of support from the playing group.

"It would be interesting to see [the reception] when she does come back.”
 

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The fact this TUE info only surfaced because of hackers arouses suspicions about the process - anything that is purposefully hidden should arouse suspicions - Very interesting that Sharapova suggested the ITF and WADA could have intentionally targeted her -

You mean the athlete who cheated for years and got caught is raising conspiracy theories? It's actually not that interesting.
 
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Who cheated for years? LOL I thought this super fabulous performance enhancing drug (which wasn't even tested, nobody is sure how it enhances the performance and in what dosage, they don't know how long it stays in the system) was banned only at the beginning of this year.:lol6: So why was not Lepchenko punished as she failed 4 tests this year for the same drug? What happened with Serena's "panic" attack when she wouldn't let a tester into her house? They all have good reasons, right. But Maria and Troicki (who was excused to give his blood sample until the following day by a testing doctor because he was ill) have no considerations like Lepchenko and Serena?

Maria is successful, rich, blond, but also a proud Russian so that was a big no-no for this pro western organization that calls itself international. And how can anybody say they were not targeted when they almost banned all of their athletes from the Olympic games, even the ones that never tested positive for anything. They did ban the whole Paralympic team from competing in the competition that these disadvantaged athletes live for and it is a shining moment in their otherwise tough living conditions. It was so sad that I am surprised nobody was outraged at that decision.

On the other hand a lot of American track and field athletes, current and past, tested positive but nobody has any notions to ban them all. At the end of the day, they can just claim TUEs and all is well.:-(
 

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You mean the athlete who cheated for years and got caught is raising conspiracy theories? It's actually not that interesting.

Agreed. How do you not disclose what medications you're taking, refuse to get TUEs, continue taking it after it was banned and during competition and horror of horrors have the audacity to thumb your nose up at the governing bodies that shortened your ban that you deserved to serve? Talk about an entitled, bratty attitude. Sickening, is what she is.
 

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Who cheated for years? LOL I thought this super fabulous performance enhancing drug (which wasn't even tested, nobody is sure how it enhances the performance and in what dosage, they don't know how long it stays in the system) was banned only at the beginning of this year.:lol6: So why was not Lepchenko punished as she failed 4 tests this year for the same drug? What happened with Serena's "panic" attack when she wouldn't let a tester into her house? They all have good reasons, right. But Maria and Troicki (who was excused to give his blood sample until the following day by a testing doctor because he was ill) have no considerations like Lepchenko and Serena?

Maria is successful, rich, blond, but also a proud Russian so that was a big no-no for this pro western organization that calls itself international. And how can anybody say they were not targeted when they almost banned all of their athletes from the Olympic games, even the ones that never tested positive for anything. They did ban the whole Paralympic team from competing in the competition that these disadvantaged athletes live for and it is a shining moment in their otherwise tough living conditions. It was so sad that I am surprised nobody was outraged at that decision.

On the other hand a lot of American track and field athletes, current and past, tested positive but nobody has any notions to ban them all. At the end of the day, they can just claim TUEs and all is well.:-(

Maria admitted that she tested positive for a banned substance. What more proof is needed? Why didn't she disclose it or follow protocol? What I find interesting is that there were no cries of WADA's "ineptitude" when Cilic, Canas, or Troicki was banned. People accepted it, called them drug cheats and moved on. Now there's a conspiracy against Maria? She cheated. That's all there is to it, and she cheated while she was competing and the ban had been put in place. I don't understand why people think she should get special treatment because she is rich and blonde. What does that have to do with anything? So, if a person isn't famous, rich and blonde, they shouldn't be given the same consideration? Mind-blowing.
 

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Maria did cheat after January... she owned up to it albeit pleading negligence. I don't class her as a cheat before that date... because it wasn't banned... but neither do I accept her ridiculous explanation for taking in the first place. She was taking a performance enhancing drug that wasn't banned. I guess if it's not banned then it's as allowable as taking iron shots.

What I do disagree with is banning Russian athletes en masse like they did in the Olympics.... even the fricken whistleblower got banned. That's unprecedented and way off the charts when it comes to any sort of fairness. You can't ban athletes on the basis of what another athlete was taking.
 

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Maria did cheat after January... she owned up to it albeit pleading negligence. I don't class her as a cheat before that date... because it wasn't banned... but neither do I accept her ridiculous explanation for taking in the first place. She was taking a performance enhancing drug that wasn't banned. I guess if it's not banned then it's as allowable as taking iron shots.

What I do disagree with is banning Russian athletes en masse like they did in the Olympics.... even the fricken whistleblower got banned. That's unprecedented and way off the charts when it comes to any sort of fairness. You can't ban athletes on the basis of what another athlete was taking.


I actually consider it cheating when she didn't disclose that she was taking. I just don't get that. Why would you not report that for ten years? That doesn't make sense to me. I thought they were required to disclose what medicines they were taking. If the pre-diabetes were prescribed by her doctor, then it seems she would think of getting a TUE. It's the secrecy that bums me out.

I thought the Russian athletes were banned before Maria.
 

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I actually consider it cheating when she didn't disclose that she was taking. I just don't get that. Why would you not report that for ten years? That doesn't make sense to me. I thought they were required to disclose what medicines they were taking. If the pre-diabetes were prescribed by her doctor, then it seems she would think of getting a TUE. It's the secrecy that bums me out.

I thought the Russian athletes were banned before Maria.

No, a TUE is an exemption for prohibited substances. If it wasn't prohibited (and it wasn't) then no TUE is required. I do believe she took it to enhance performance, but as it was legal at the time then it is what it is...
 

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No, a TUE is an exemption for prohibited substances. If it wasn't prohibited (and it wasn't) then no TUE is required. I do believe she took it to enhance performance, but as it was legal at the time then it is what it is...

OK, thanks for that information. The fact that she didn't disclose it is what bugs me. I seriously don't understand that.
 

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OK, thanks for that information. The fact that she didn't disclose it is what bugs me. I seriously don't understand that.

I think we both know why she didn't disclose it... she was looking to get an edge using substances. I'm in full agreement with you on that... but I suspect any of the top players might be doing the same, if a substance isn't on the banned list.... and it's a very blurred gap between what might be considered ethical and non-ethical. That's why I wouldn't call her out for being a cheat before Jan 1.
 

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I think we both know why she didn't disclose it... she was looking to get an edge using substances. I'm in full agreement with you on that... but I suspect any of the top players might be doing the same, if a substance isn't on the banned list.... and it's a very blurred gap between what might be considered ethical and non-ethical. That's why I wouldn't call her out for being a cheat before Jan 1.

That makes sense. I agree that she was looking for an edge, but that's also why I consider it cheating. Cheating, to me, is an ethical issue. Trying to get an unfair edge is unethical so I don't even go into the dates, WADA, or the ITF. She tried to get an unfair advantage and she did so for ten years. There had to be some benefit for her to continue to do it. I don't why she's being pampered when others don't get the same breaks.
 

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Eating a banana on a changeover can give a player a fair advantage :)
 
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