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RE: Matua Madrid Open ATP1000 02-11 May 2014

Kieran said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Djokovic definitely has the toughest draw and here is a likely path for him.

R32 - Cilic
R16 - winner of Dog/Fog
QF - Little Beast
SF - The Man
F - Dirt Devil

It's not actually tough, though, is it? I mean, in real terms. The only way this is tough is if his wrist is still sore and so he plays at about 60-70%...

Agreed that it's much tougher if it's a test of his wrist, given that there could be some dog-fights in there. (Forgive the one pun.) Still, Stan was the one that no one wanted in their half. That alone makes it tougher.
 

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wouldn't mind seeing murray vs Federer though, on clay it's a fairly rare event..unless I'm missing matches in my head.

They've never met on clay so it would be interesting. Fingers crossed it happens.
 

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Here is the Qualifying Draw .
Note that Tomic is in it trying to come back after his previous loss in 25 minutes.
Also, future star Thiem is in it too.
 

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RE: Matua Madrid Open ATP1000 02-11 May 2014

That's quite a cluster at the bottom:

Fognini/Dolgopolov, Gulbis/Janowicz, Cilic/Sousa, and Novak. The first two pairings don't feel like first-round matches.
 

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Monfils is out (ankle problem). Froggies are not in top form before RG...Tsonga's level is so so, both Richie and La Monf are injured....I don't expect anything great from them this year in RG
 

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Monfils is out (ankle problem). Froggies are not in top form before RG...Tsonga's level is so so, both Richie and La Monf are injured....I don't expect anything great from them this year in RG

In fairness, even if they were all super fit and playing great, I wouldn't expect anything from them at this years RG...or any other slam...
 

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Novak Djokovic was a mysterious no-show at yesterday's Madrid Charity event after he had accepted an invitation from Nadal 3 or 4 days prior to the event.

Is his wrist still hurting him? Will he play in the main event?

Or will this start to be like Rafa's 2012 tournament by tournament withdrawal announcements?

I'm sure the tournament directors don't like to announce too soon that one of their top drawing cards won't play.

Or maybe Nole just had something else to do, but it's a little strange that there is almost no mention of him.

If someone knows something more about it, please enlighten us. Thanks.

Respectfully,
masterclass
 

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RE: Matua Madrid Open ATP1000 02-11 May 2014

Kieran said:
isabelle said:
Monfils is out (ankle problem). Froggies are not in top form before RG...Tsonga's level is so so, both Richie and La Monf are injured....I don't expect anything great from them this year in RG

In fairness, even if they were all super fit and playing great, I wouldn't expect anything from them at this years RG...or any other slam...


I know our guys can't win a GS but Tsonga reached a final once and even semi last year in RG so when he's fit he can play some great piece of tennis and beat some top 10
 

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isabelle said:
Kieran said:
isabelle said:
Monfils is out (ankle problem). Froggies are not in top form before RG...Tsonga's level is so so, both Richie and La Monf are injured....I don't expect anything great from them this year in RG

In fairness, even if they were all super fit and playing great, I wouldn't expect anything from them at this years RG...or any other slam...


I know our guys can't win a GS but Tsonga reached a final once and even semi last year in RG so when he's fit he can play some great piece of tennis and beat some top 10

Every ten years a French man makes a run. It's the law of averages, that's all. These blokes are under-achievers, to put it politely.

The scientific term is Straw Balls... ;)
 

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RE: Matua Madrid Open ATP1000 02-11 May 2014

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Novak Djokovic was a mysterious no-show at yesterday's Madrid Charity event after he had accepted an invitation from Nadal 3 or 4 days prior to the event.

Is his wrist still hurting him? Will he play in the main event?

Or will this start to be like Rafa's 2012 tournament by tournament withdrawal announcements?

I'm sure the tournament directors don't like to announce too soon that one of their top drawing cards won't play.

Or maybe Nole just had something else to do, but it's a little strange that there is almost no mention of him.

If someone knows something more about it, please enlighten us. Thanks.

Respectfully,
masterclass


I am not a doctor and I always subscribe to the idea that a player knows his body better than anyone can tell him. BUT, I really think Nole should have taken another week off. He had the injury just a little more than two weeks ago. He played a couple of games with it, and finally against Roger, it stopped working in the second set. He said at some point after the match that he was afraid he might need surgery , it was that serious (he thought). But later on, it was determined surgery was not necessary.

Ok, great. So in that case one would think you would not hit a ball for a couple of weeks and do a lot of rehab for the soft tissue to repair itself. And then you start with your strengthening exercises, get the arm back in shape, and start hitting some balls (not heavy duty, competition level hitting I would guess). And after 3-4 days of that, you get into serious hitting and try to get some sort of rhythm back.
This timeline , in my none-professional opinion, does not work for him to participate in Madrid. Maybe Rome. And he is defending nothing in Madrid. Why come back now? I don't get it, but again, he must know his health better than anyone.
 

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1972Murat said:
masterclass said:
Novak Djokovic was a mysterious no-show at yesterday's Madrid Charity event after he had accepted an invitation from Nadal 3 or 4 days prior to the event.

Is his wrist still hurting him? Will he play in the main event?

Or will this start to be like Rafa's 2012 tournament by tournament withdrawal announcements?

I'm sure the tournament directors don't like to announce too soon that one of their top drawing cards won't play.

Or maybe Nole just had something else to do, but it's a little strange that there is almost no mention of him.

If someone knows something more about it, please enlighten us. Thanks.

Respectfully,
masterclass


I am not a doctor and I always subscribe to the idea that a player knows his body better than anyone can tell him. BUT, I really think Nole should have taken another week off. He had the injury just a little more than two weeks ago. He played a couple of games with it, and finally against Roger, it stopped working in the second set. He said at some point after the match that he was afraid he might need surgery , it was that serious (he thought). But later on, it was determined surgery was not necessary.

Ok, great. So in that case one would think you would not hit a ball for a couple of weeks and do a lot of rehab for the soft tissue to repair itself. And then you start with your strengthening exercises, get the arm back in shape, and start hitting some balls (not heavy duty, competition level hitting I would guess). And after 3-4 days of that, you get into serious hitting and try to get some sort of rhythm back.
This timeline , in my none-professional opinion, does not work for him to participate in Madrid. Maybe Rome. And he is defending nothing in Madrid. Why come back now? I don't get it, but again, he must know his health better than anyone.

In before "it's not that simple" and "tennis players play tennis tournaments"...

But yeah, I agree.
 

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1972Murat said:
masterclass said:
Novak Djokovic was a mysterious no-show at yesterday's Madrid Charity event after he had accepted an invitation from Nadal 3 or 4 days prior to the event.

Is his wrist still hurting him? Will he play in the main event?

Or will this start to be like Rafa's 2012 tournament by tournament withdrawal announcements?

I'm sure the tournament directors don't like to announce too soon that one of their top drawing cards won't play.

Or maybe Nole just had something else to do, but it's a little strange that there is almost no mention of him.

If someone knows something more about it, please enlighten us. Thanks.

Respectfully,
masterclass


I am not a doctor and I always subscribe to the idea that a player knows his body better than anyone can tell him. BUT, I really think Nole should have taken another week off. He had the injury just a little more than two weeks ago. He played a couple of games with it, and finally against Roger, it stopped working in the second set. He said at some point after the match that he was afraid he might need surgery , it was that serious (he thought). But later on, it was determined surgery was not necessary.

Ok, great. So in that case one would think you would not hit a ball for a couple of weeks and do a lot of rehab for the soft tissue to repair itself. And then you start with your strengthening exercises, get the arm back in shape, and start hitting some balls (not heavy duty, competition level hitting I would guess). And after 3-4 days of that, you get into serious hitting and try to get some sort of rhythm back.
This timeline , in my none-professional opinion, does not work for him to participate in Madrid. Maybe Rome. And he is defending nothing in Madrid. Why come back now? I don't get it, but again, he must know his health better than anyone.

At no point Novak announced during MC that he may need surgery. Even though he
announced that he will not be able to play for a while, in that very same announcement
he explicitly said no surgery is needed. This was in the press conference right after
Fed loss.

He had two weeks to heal. I would certainly assume he knows what he is doing.
Having said that, I don't think he will win Madrid as he has a horrendous draw.
I would not be surprised by his loss at any round of this tournament.
 

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The link below is where I read that initially he might have thought about surgery.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2042984-novak-djokovics-ailing-wrist-threatens-his-best-chance-to-win-the-french-open
 

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1972Murat said:
The link below is where I read that initially he might have thought about surgery.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2042984-novak-djokovics-ailing-wrist-threatens-his-best-chance-to-win-the-french-open

Here is the transcript of the presser that Novak gave right after the loss to FedEx. He says
clearly that he does not need a surgery right then (and not after 3/4 days of diagnosis,
doctor visits, MRI etc). This means he already knows the level of seriousness of his wrist issue.
 

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Tomin won first round of qualifying against Llodora in straight sets.
 

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RE: Matua Madrid Open ATP1000 02-11 May 2014

GameSetAndMath said:
1972Murat said:
The link below is where I read that initially he might have thought about surgery.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2042984-novak-djokovics-ailing-wrist-threatens-his-best-chance-to-win-the-french-open

Here is the transcript of the presser that Novak gave right after the loss to FedEx. He says
clearly that he does not need a surgery right then (and not after 3/4 days of diagnosis,
doctor visits, MRI etc). This means he already knows the level of seriousness of his wrist issue.

GSM, the possibility of the surgery was before the final. He had the injury for 10 days, prior to the final. Hence when he says 'another" MRI , and when he says " I really don't know what's the diagnosis, to be honest. I heard so many things in last 10 days. Trust me, it's complicated.
You can ask the official doctor. "...

So he had entertained , presumably, a lot of different options even before the final.
 

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Tomin won first round of qualifying against Llodora in straight sets.

Never heard of either of them but good to see we have some new players up and coming ;) :snigger
 

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RE: Matua Madrid Open ATP1000 02-11 May 2014

There are so many questions going into this year's French Open. The next two Masters will be very interesting in telling us how this year's Clay Slam will play out. As a Murray fan, it's great to see him back and I really hope he can get it going now. He didn't get the best of draws though. Is it my imagination or does he keep getting the Nadal-Federer-Djokovic triple hurdle in his draws lately?
 

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It's because his ranking dropped to number 8. Federer faced the same hurdles when he dropped to number 8 too.
 

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Just reading on twitter that Novak was supposed to arrive in Madrid on Saturday night but he has delayed his arrival so he can see his doctor in Monte Carlo tomorrow. Marca are reporting that he's having more tests on his wrist. It's uncertain whether he will play or not. He will decide on Sunday.

http://www.marca.com/2014/05/03/tenis/1399138846.html