Murray, Nadal, Nishikori and Del Potro form Semi-Final Quartet in Rio.

[teddytennisfan]

We neither know why Muzz started that fight or if both have some issues before that match but let's go to move on, you have your opinion and I have mine. We neither know them personally and we don't know who is better person that who, I've just say what I'm thinking , you are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change your, peace and love :heart:

THAT'S TRUE -- WE DON'T KNOW -- but only about past relations between them.

but - if that video shows it - as you cited it as 'evidence against delpo' to bolster ndy's claim about delpo being ''out of line" -

then we can only base it on THAT evidence. andTHAT evidence says WE KNOW andsee what happened -- \

it's right there forever documented. and as i say -- since i MUST base my judgment on that evidence right there thatneither your or my opinionof them otherwise canchange.

then that evidence in sequence - shows it was andy that went against that rule:

"d o not engage in a quarrel directly with your opponent"

that is why there are umpires to whom players -- if they don't like a shot -- they go to the umpire who will judge and decide if the shots were allowed -- or correct...or incorrect...

and then instruct the opponent appropriately.

ANDY CROSSED THAT LINE. it's right there in the evidence. and THAT-- WE ''KNOW"

because that very sequence and WHO initiated it and THEREFORE crossed that strict rule against engaging his opponent -- is right there staring at us -- playable forever and it will never change...

ANDY initiated a verbal exchange out of complaint about a legitimate shot by his opponent -- DIRECTING it to his opponent -- and that is against the rules. that is inf act why the rules are there -- so THAT there will be NO QUARRELS -- and the only quarrels are

when the ball is HIT!

BUT YA -- you're right -- let's move on.

so much to find out whose ANGER" SERVES HIM better!!! hehehe.....

thanks for ''engaging" me. hehe. u know i love ANDY , believe me...but we all know he can mouth off sometimes...right or wrong -- often he is infact correct, as far as i know...but even then -- we've seen him warned about it. lol. but that's andy.

so let's see who is the GOLDEN CHAMP TOMORROW11!!!

 

[teddytennisfan]

We neither know why Muzz started that fight or if both have some issues before that match but let's go to move on, you have your opinion and I have mine. We neither know them personally and we don't know who is better person that who, I've just say what I'm thinking , you are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change your, peace and love :heart:

HEHE...TOMORROW -- CAN YOU imagine if they continue THIS? LOL.

OH MY GOD!1 BIG DRAMA!! hehe...but seriously -- i think ANDY better keep a lid a little bit -- on the mouth -- because the ATMOSPHERE CAN easily turn against him so severely it will be more than even he can handle. and his shots go spraying,

u know? he HAS to keep his head on his game . nevermind what he thinks about delpo..and delpo should be the same.

there's TOO MUCH at stake -- and it all rests not on what they thik about each other -- but about them KEEPING THAT BALL IN!!

LOL

 

[Moxie]

Wait...I thought all of that was a joke...what happened?

 

[teddytennisfan]

Wait...I thought all of that was a joke...what happened?

IF YOU'RE referring to Carol and me discussing this andy/delpo video - past match - about an exchange between them --

it' wasn't a joke. imean thevideo...

carol and i are just comparing our conclusions about the video - that little ''spat''between 2 grown men! lol.

 

[Carol]

HEHE...TOMORROW -- CAN YOU imagine if they continue THIS? LOL.

OH MY GOD!1 BIG DRAMA!! hehe...but seriously -- i think ANDY better keep a lid a little bit -- on the mouth -- because the ATMOSPHERE CAN easily turn against him so severely it will be more than even he can handle. and his shots go spraying,

u know? he HAS to keep his head on his game . nevermind what he thinks about delpo..and delpo should be the same.

there's TOO MUCH at stake -- and it all rests not on what they thik about each other -- but about them KEEPING THAT BALL IN!!

LOL

I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too

 

[teddytennisfan]

Rafa says: " It was a good match, good level of tennis and all I can say is congratulations to Del Potro.
I try my best, I give my best 'til the last ball but that's like this. I'm very satisfied by what I did the whole week. Tomorrow is another day and I'm going to try to be ready for it"
Words and thoughts of a Great Champion
And your fans know what you have done Rafa and thats why we can be so proud of you

today -- and throughout the week -- RAFA -- again -- SHOWED why his success is not just in the tennis --

it's that unrelenting willingness of his to keep COMING BACK!! and always trying to bring the best he can to any fight -- whether all his weapons are there or not,.

remember how in the start of his career...

he had what people called "pracftically NO SERVE" ?
NO shot this and no shot that?- and only his 'forehand"?

but look at what he has done -- through all the unending writeups about how ''incomplete" his game was COMPARED to Roger Federer.

TODAY -- NO ONE QUESTIONS not just his achievements in history

but the VERY SHOTS or tennis strategy or tactics and skills that heONCE was written about as NOT having them!!

no less than JOHN MCENROE -- A MASTER of volleying ifwe've seen one --

has now long called RAFA

"THE BEST VOLLEYER OUT THERE -- "

RAFAEL WAS NOT supposed to be like THAT accoridng to expert writers !! lol.

 

[teddytennisfan]

I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too

to me -- even if DELPO was fresh -- it's actually ANDY that I THINK has a more EVENLY developed game throughout.

you know?

the quality of his shots between his forehand and backhand and serve and return riding on his famous movement ..is - as a general rule -- not just against delpo

just more developed and more ironed out.

so i think THAT consistency throughout his arsenal gives an edge to his winning over delpo.

delpo CAN blow andy, anyone OFF THE court. but the questionis how consistently can he keep his shots in - until he's able to find that opening?

if he can keep that ball in play but as quickly find his openings -- he'll win. -- against anyone really.

but if he doesn't -- ANDY'S variety and fullness of weaponry will make andy the ONLY REPEAT OLYMPIC CHAMP IN TENNIS!

i just can barely waiiiiittt!!!

 

[teddytennisfan]

I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too

heh -- andy isn't anywhere near ''worst' with that mouth ofhis. it really doesn't bother me - frankly -- i mean just MY watching -- what do i really care?

it's entertaining -- i even find him cute that way. lol..

but he DOES get himself in trouble sometimes -- warnings etc.

but that's him! lol. he probably just HAS to get things off his chest otherwise it all gets choked up inside .

 

[teddytennisfan]

I'd like Muzz winning but you never know what is going to happen, I always say that we don't know until they hit the last ball. Delpo is playing well, today his serve was better than the previous matches but Muzz probably will be more fresh and his last Wimbledon title is giving him more confidence. I know that sometimes he "talks" too much but I've seen worse things from others players and he has very good things too

for me also -- there's one other thing that andy has that isn't as much a RAFA ''style".

and that is that andy's shots are NOT as ''high bouncing" or high 'flying" as rafa's huge topspins.

to a player as TALL as delpo - i think that is more dangerous actually . so to me that technical style of andy gives him an added strength against delpo compared to rafa's much higher balls that came right at delpo's chest level - just really ''nice' for delpo to whale at.

lol.

 

[Carol]

today -- and throughout the week -- RAFA -- again -- SHOWED why his success is not just in the tennis --

it's that unrelenting willingness of his to keep COMING BACK!! and always trying to bring the best he can to any fight -- whether all his weapons are there or not,.

remember how in the start of his career...

he had what people called "pracftically NO SERVE" ?
NO shot this and no shot that?- and only his 'forehand"?

but look at what he has done -- through all the unending writeups about how ''incomplete" his game was COMPARED to Roger Federer.

TODAY -- NO ONE QUESTIONS not just his achievements in history

but the VERY SHOTS or tennis strategy or tactics and skills that heONCE was written about as NOT having them!!

no less than JOHN MCENROE -- A MASTER of volleying ifwe've seen one --

has now long called RAFA

"THE BEST VOLLEYER OUT THERE -- "

RAFAEL WAS NOT supposed to be like THAT accoridng to expert writers !! lol.

Oh the experts.....sometimes they talk too much ....you know what
But coming back to the match, if Rafa would have been more fresh I doubt that he would have lost that match, even in his conditions he was close, very close to win until the he missed that last ball by a big error but it was what it was, we'll see tomorrow what he will do, anyway a Bronze Medal is not bad at all

 

[teddytennisfan]

Oh the experts.....sometimes they talk too much ....you know what
But coming back to the match, if Rafa would have been more fresh I doubt that he would have lost that match, even in his conditions he was close, very close to win until the he missed that last ball by a big error but it was what it was, we'll see tomorrow what he will do, anyway a Bronze Medal is not bad at all

the real takeout of this -- even if not the finals and a chance for the gold is:

WE almost forget that RAFA HAS NOT EVEN PLAYED for a long, long time...

and NOT like this level in general -

A GREAT, GREAT SIGN! for that alone -- which never left my mind -- we should be really be thankful.

sure -- it's not finals or gold this time _in singles anyway --

but remember that we weren't even sure WHETHER he can even finish a match ? !!

FOR ME anyway as a fan only -- THAT was a big. because hopefully - it could mean we can look forward to not just more of that ''old rafa" not just for this year -- but next and next. i mean -- months away from the wrist thing? that's MAJOR.
and he came through in GOOD shape .

this is very important , imo.

 

[Carol]

the real takeout of this -- even if not the finals and a chance for the gold is:

WE almost forget that RAFA HAS NOT EVEN PLAYED for a long, long time...

and NOT like this level in general -

A GREAT, GREAT SIGN! for that alone -- which never left my mind -- we should be really be thankful.

sure -- it's not finals or gold this time _in singles anyway --

but remember that we weren't even sure WHETHER he can even finish a match ? !!

FOR ME anyway as a fan only -- THAT was a big. because hopefully - it could mean we can look forward to not just more of that ''old rafa" not just for this year -- but next and next. i mean -- months away from the wrist thing? that's MAJOR.
and he came through in GOOD shape .

this is very important , imo.

If he doesn't play in Cincy, I hope NOT, he will have time to rest and to get a good training to be ready for the USO where he will play with more "calm"

 

[Tennis Fan]

Happy for Juan, but still disappointed for Rafa, who dug really deep in this one. I didn't believe he'd have that much left today. A lot of heart. I hope Del Potro gets the gold.

Now that you mention it, I'm glad he lost. BO5 would be way too much.

 

[Tennis Fan]

Whatever happens tomorrow, and provided their respective wrists hold up, I think this Games has been excellent for Rafa and for Juan Martin, as a way to springboard their come-backs. I don't think any old tournament would have done it like this. They have both played with passion and guts, because it was the Olympics. Wertheim said he thinks their match today was the best of the year so far. And whatever we think about tennis in the OGs, the players take it very much to heart. :heart:

Great post, Moxie.

 

[teddytennisfan]

If he doesn't play in Cincy, I hope NOT, he will have time to rest and to get a good training to be ready for the USO where he will play with more "calm"

If he doesn't play in Cincy, I hope NOT, he will have time to rest and to get a good training to be ready for the USO where he will play with more "calm"

me too actually -- i prefer that rafa RESTS -- even if the wrist is good -- and use that time for general rest -- savor the results that he's in good shape considering the very long time away from MATCH ..

MAKE sure the checks on the wrist and everything else leave time for rehab and recovery -- and use the time to just tinker with his technique...just be in his workshop

now that he KNOWS he can bang it out against the stiffest competition. and it's been a LOT of tennis that should last his ''muscle rhythm a while until USO .
this way -- he comes in to USO CONFIDENT he has had his rest, feels refreshed -- the olympics is behind him some distance - and he looks forward - done a little more homework , fitness..etc...

and land on the ground running in the USO. FORGET all that about ''ranking points' - it doesn't matter to him anyway whose across the net -- he STILL FIGHTS! HEHE.

 

[Tennis Fan]

I hope Muzz remember tomorrow when Delpo insulted his mother, sorry but that was unacceptable

I agree with you, Carol. Talking about someone's mother is unacceptable. Those commentators get on my nerves. How in the world do they think they can gauge someone's reactions in the heat of the moment. Every chance they get they're kicking sand in some players' faces and ignoring all of the antics of others. So ridiculous.

 

[Tennis Fan]

It doesn't matter who started the fight, he never had to mention his mother, period
I know that Delpo is for some of you a "good guy" and Muzz a "bad one" but I don't think it's that way. Do you know why Delpo don't have a good relation with the others Argentine players? do you know that a few years ego he said something very incovinient about Rafa? of course this is nothing to do with today result but I always think that Delpo is not so nice like some people think

I think speaking about someone's mother is unacceptable. Period. Whatever disagreements someone has, they should keep it to court. There is no reason that I can think of that excuses del Potro's behavior. That's just low, IMO. I had forgotten about that incident, but I do remember him talking negatively about Rafa at one point. Again, why say it?

I didn't know that he had a bad rapport with his fellow Argies. Hmm, something to think about. I don't care for people who disrespect others.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Oh the experts.....sometimes they talk too much ....you know what
But coming back to the match, if Rafa would have been more fresh I doubt that he would have lost that match, even in his conditions he was close, very close to win until the he missed that last ball by a big error but it was what it was, we'll see tomorrow what he will do, anyway a Bronze Medal is not bad at all

SO TRUE11111

you remember those years when he was trying to win wimbledon?

FIRST YEAR EVER that he joined -- remarks -- in websites or commentary or even players - including roger himselfL

"he will never win wimbleodn"
"he'll never get past the FIRST WEEK"..


OOPSS -- HE GOT TO FINALS on his FIRST TIME ON GRASS EVER!! yea - lost rather easily to Roger..to prove to everyone he'll never be like roger on grass...
but somehow people forgot he was NOT supposed to get past first WEEK...

SECOND YEAR -- he lost to roger but VERY close -- except for ''the difference in serves" i remember THAT part right at the very last few points...

in THAT year remarks were similar - again -- and roger HIMSELF said

|"i'd be surprised if he made it to the FINALS".

THIRD TRY -- when he toppled roger bringing THAT serve that was lacking the year before...

remarks - after he gave roger a thrashing in FO such that roger wouldn't entertain questions anymore "i just want to get out and FORGET FO"...

and THEN just prior to WIMBLEDON -- KNOWING rafa already challenged the past 2 years and VERY NEARLY took him...roger himself quipped:

"I have the WEAPONS TO DISMANTLE HIM..his game is one-dimensional"..

and LOST IN WIMBLEDON.
beating roger in volleys, and serving...
WHICH IS when mcenroe began saying "people always say rafa is one-dimensional ..right before our eyes we have ignored that he has been adding one shot after another -- and right now he's the BEST volleyer out there, ".

 

[Tennis Fan]

today -- and throughout the week -- RAFA -- again -- SHOWED why his success is not just in the tennis --

it's that unrelenting willingness of his to keep COMING BACK!! and always trying to bring the best he can to any fight -- whether all his weapons are there or not,.

remember how in the start of his career...

he had what people called "pracftically NO SERVE" ?
NO shot this and no shot that?- and only his 'forehand"?

but look at what he has done -- through all the unending writeups about how ''incomplete" his game was COMPARED to Roger Federer.

TODAY -- NO ONE QUESTIONS not just his achievements in history

but the VERY SHOTS or tennis strategy or tactics and skills that heONCE was written about as NOT having them!!

no less than JOHN MCENROE -- A MASTER of volleying ifwe've seen one --

has now long called RAFA

"THE BEST VOLLEYER OUT THERE -- "

RAFAEL WAS NOT supposed to be like THAT accoridng to expert writers !! lol.

Which is the main reason why people shouldn't listen to "commentators." Surely they have biases too. Who knows, maybe a player didn't attend one of their events or didn't grant them an interview, that could easily be the reason for their anger. But on the flip side, they never say anything negative about their favorites, no matter what they do. They want to talk about water bottles and you wouldn't think that Maria was ever even on the tour judging by their silence. What kind of mess it that? Whenever I hear people spouting off about a commentator's biased "insight" I completely ignore them and their subsequent ramblings. Why would I listen to them? They dogged Rafa out for years, and while I am no pundit I had eyes to see that a seventeen year old who arrives on the scene and beats someone labeled "The GOAT" obviously has talent. How do people fall for such things?

 

[Carol]

I think speaking about someone's mother is unacceptable. Period. Whatever disagreements someone has, they should keep it to court. There is no reason that I can think of that excuses del Potro's behavior. That's just low, IMO. I had forgotten about that incident, but I do remember him talking negatively about Rafa at one point. Again, why say it?

I didn't know that he had a bad rapport with his fellow Argies. Hmm, something to think about. I don't care for people who disrespect others.

You know what they say "some do all the work, others take the credit"