Monte Carlo Final - Wawrinka v. Federer

[the AntiPusher]

rogers got 600 rank points. big help shoring up top 4 rank and helping with wtf qualification. a decent return from a wildcard entry.

It's very good going for a WC result but given the 2 main hurdles were gone (Rafa and Novak) he really made a dog's dinner of the chance he had to make it 1000 points and an elusive title he doesn't have and now likely never will. Happy for Stan at the same time but very disappointing for Roger.

As for Roger, he be aight!

 

[the AntiPusher]

Disgraceful

I watched the match , I just felt that Stan really played very aggressive but consistently in the third set.Roger had a good tournament, Rafa was disgraceful.

 

[herios]

I think you guys are being too harsh. The plain truth is that absent of mental issues Stan is clearly a better a clay courter than Roger at this point. My ranking for clay right now would be Rafa, Nole, Stan, Roger, Ferrer in that order

Don't agree tbh with putting Stan above Roger on clay even at this stage. Stan's best showing at RG is QF (2013). Over the hill Roger also made the quarters last year (eventhough he lost dismally to Tsonga) but he made the semi final in 2012. Stan has a long way to go to be above Roger on clay.

Historically Roger has a better record on clay without a doubt, up to 2012. However, last year the balance has been tipped. Although very slightly, already I am giving Stan the edge even last year.
They were about equal as far as the big events: QF both of them at RG and a runner up for each in the masters (Roger in Rome and Stan in Madrid), but Stan had a clay title last year in Portugal and Roger had no clay wins although he entered in 2 events post Wimbledon.
Watch this year the gap widening in Stan's favor on clay.

 

[Moxie]

Disgraceful

I watched the match , I just felt that Stan really played very aggressive but consistently in the third set.Roger had a good tournament, Rafa was disgraceful.

Roger never found his mojo, and I was surprised by that, but I can't buy into Darth's system of ordering performance as either majestic or disgraceful. Stan played the better match.

'Disgraceful' is such a fan-word. Rafa was not at his best. Don't know what to say. Ferrer was better.

I think you guys are being too harsh. The plain truth is that absent of mental issues Stan is clearly a better a clay courter than Roger at this point. My ranking for clay right now would be Rafa, Nole, Stan, Roger, Ferrer in that order

Don't agree tbh with putting Stan above Roger on clay even at this stage. Stan's best showing at RG is QF (2013). Over the hill Roger also made the quarters last year (eventhough he lost dismally to Tsonga) but he made the semi final in 2012. Stan has a long way to go to be above Roger on clay.

Historically Roger has a better record on clay without a doubt, up to 2012. However, last year the balance has been tipped. Although very slightly, already I am giving Stan the edge even last year.
They were about equal as far as the big events: QF both of them at RG and a runner up for each in the masters (Roger in Rome and Stan in Madrid), but Stan had a clay title last year in Portugal and Roger had no clay wins although he entered in 2 events post Wimbledon.
Watch this year the gap widening in Stan's favor on clay.

I would put Stan and Ferrer over Roger on clay at this point.

 

[Front242]

Clay season should be interesting. We can do a recap and see who does best out of those 3. Obviously winning a masters 1000 puts Stan in the lead so far but will he go further at RG, Rome and Madrid? We'll see.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Let us just hope that the results of the upcoming RG are similar to what happened in
the year in which Stan defeated Fed before at MC, which also happens to be the same
year in which Mirka was pregnant last time and which also happens to be the same
year in which someone coached by Magnus Norman defeated someone who won
the last four RGs in a row. That is too many coincidences. uzzled

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

 

[herios]

Let us just hope that the results of the upcoming RG are similar to what happened in
the year in which Stan defeated Fed before at MC, which also happens to be the same
year in which Mirka was pregnant last time and which also happens to be the same
year in which someone coached by Magnus Norman defeated the Clay Warrior.
That is too many coincidences. uzzled

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

I do not want to hear that Nole gets defeated in R3 there by someone like Kohlschreiber
:nono

 

[Moxie]

Let us just hope that the results of the upcoming RG are similar to what happened in
the year in which Stan defeated Fed before at MC, which also happens to be the same
year in which Mirka was pregnant last time and which also happens to be the same
year in which someone coached by Magnus Norman defeated the Clay Warrior.
That is too many coincidences. uzzled

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

I won't spoil the fun…that's a lot coincidence to pull together. Though, I did look in my tea cup this morning, and the leaves told me that Rafael wins the FO again. :laydownlaughing :emperor:

 

[brokenshoelace]

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

Matches are decided on the court and not by signs.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Let us just hope that the results of the upcoming RG are similar to what happened in
the year in which Stan defeated Fed before at MC, which also happens to be the same
year in which Mirka was pregnant last time and which also happens to be the same
year in which someone coached by Magnus Norman defeated the Clay Warrior.
That is too many coincidences. uzzled

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

I won't spoil the fun…that's a lot coincidence to pull together. Though, I did look in my tea cup this morning, and the leaves told me that Rafael wins the FO again. :laydownlaughing :emperor:

If Djoker doesnt recover(I hope he does because as I stated before, the tennis he produced during the Miami tournament was at time was mesmerizing) for RG, I think that Rafa vs Stan final is really what most fans would like to see. I KNOW that is what Rafa wants, it would be the ultimate confidence builder if he can retain his trophy.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

Matches are decided on the court and not by signs.

Thank you for informing us that you are not one of the "resident experts".

 

[brokenshoelace]

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

Matches are decided on the court and not by signs.

Thank you for informing us that you are not one of the "resident experts".

Speaking of which...I'm still waiting for your reply in that thread re: Nadal's clay game from 06-10 compared to his clay game now. I only insist because if you're going to call people out, might as well put your money where your mouth is and show us that vast tennis knowledge of yours.

 

[Federberg]

Disgraceful

I watched the match , I just felt that Stan really played very aggressive but consistently in the third set.Roger had a good tournament, Rafa was disgraceful.

Roger never found his mojo, and I was surprised by that, but I can't buy into Darth's system of ordering performance as either majestic or disgraceful. Stan played the better match.

'Disgraceful' is such a fan-word. Rafa was not at his best. Don't know what to say. Ferrer was better.

I think you guys are being too harsh. The plain truth is that absent of mental issues Stan is clearly a better a clay courter than Roger at this point. My ranking for clay right now would be Rafa, Nole, Stan, Roger, Ferrer in that order

Don't agree tbh with putting Stan above Roger on clay even at this stage. Stan's best showing at RG is QF (2013). Over the hill Roger also made the quarters last year (eventhough he lost dismally to Tsonga) but he made the semi final in 2012. Stan has a long way to go to be above Roger on clay.

Historically Roger has a better record on clay without a doubt, up to 2012. However, last year the balance has been tipped. Although very slightly, already I am giving Stan the edge even last year.
They were about equal as far as the big events: QF both of them at RG and a runner up for each in the masters (Roger in Rome and Stan in Madrid), but Stan had a clay title last year in Portugal and Roger had no clay wins although he entered in 2 events post Wimbledon.
Watch this year the gap widening in Stan's favor on clay.

I would put Stan and Ferrer over Roger on clay at this point.

I would certainly subscribe to the view that against any other player (but Roger) Ferrer is the better clay courter. But if Roger plays Ferrer, I'm willing to bet the house on Roger. Until Ferrer pops his cherry vs Roger, I'll remain convinced of that...

 

[brokenshoelace]

I don't understand on what ground did Ferrer move ahead of Roger on clay in light of Monte Carlo... Beating Nadal?

 

[herios]

I don't understand on what ground did Ferrer move ahead of Roger on clay in light of Monte Carlo... Beating Nadal?

I guess by beating Tsonga, who beat Roger at RG last year

 

[DarthFed]

Ferrer still hasn't won a single big title on clay in his career (MS or RG). It is generous to put him ahead of Roger, even now. Now if we are treating Roger as though 2013 is the norm you can put Ferrer, Tsonga, and tons of others ahead of him on clay, grass and HC.

 

[Riotbeard]

Tough to put anybody ahead of Federer outside of Novak or Rafa. Current form, I would put him at # 4. Ferrer was definitely the #3 guy last year, but that had to do with Fed having an awful season, and while he isn't at vintage levels anymore, his results have already surpassed David.

 

[DarthFed]

^ Exactly. I think some people are still waiting/hoping for that sluggish, drunk-looking 2013 version of Roger to show up again. It might show up for a couple matches here and there (see Hewitt and Nishikori matches) but generally he is going to play better than last year. Last year was the only time Ferrer has had better results on clay than Roger. Now if you want to put Stan ahead of Roger on clay you have a better case given last year, this recent result and the fact that Stan is on the upswing whereas Ferrer isn't. Even then I think people would be jumping the gun.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I would not give Ferrer the edge over Roger on any surface. It is a match up issue. Ferrer cannot hit Roger off the court like Stan. And Roger never gets into the grind it out type of plays against David, finishes points early. You have to take time away from Roger (or Rafa or Nole) to have a chance against them . Stan can do that, sometimes Delpo or Tsonga can even do that. Berdych can do that (especially to Roger), but not David.

 

[ftan]

Let us just hope that the results of the upcoming RG are similar to what happened in
the year in which Stan defeated Fed before at MC, which also happens to be the same
year in which Mirka was pregnant last time and which also happens to be the same
year in which someone coached by Magnus Norman defeated someone who won
the last four RGs in a row. That is too many coincidences. uzzled

p.s. I am well aware and don't want to hear from "resident experts" that tennis matches
are decided on the court and not by "signs".

Can I just say.. shhh don't jinx it GS&M..