Mega-thread on Tennis Generations and the Changing of the Guard (UPDATED with PART 5 - COMPLETE!)

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One thing that Medvedev has shown since 2019 is the willingness to improve and change tactics (sometimes he does get overboard) to be a better tennis player. El Dude is correct that we don’t truly know on how much more Medvedev can win significant titles. But if he can somehow win 4-6 slam titles, 10 to 12 Masters 1000 titles, reach number ranking and etc…that will be a legendary career in its own right!

One thing for sure he has the game to actually achieve those accomplishments (great defensive game, fast and efficient service games, and unorthodox style). It’s just matter of determination and being healthy most of the time.

He is slender (kind like a Djokovic) so hopefully he doesn’t get a lot of injuries in his body!
 
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I really enjoy listening to Pancho call a tennis match back in the 1970s when Connors and Borg were battling and ol’ Rocket and Muscles were still around. Gonzales knew his stuff.
I know Pancho did a lot more commentating, but I can only hear him giving the play by play action going on at that yearly exhibition of the top 4 men and women competing in the Carolinas, "The WCT Champions Chps!" It was an equal footing event where 4 men and 4 women played singles and doubles to accumulate points to win the overall event! Of course Roscoe Tanner won the "Aces" comp. of the event the year he participated! BJK won the initial event by taking the MxD with Stan Smith for the most part with just those 2 points! The TB gave it to her overall! Evert d Goolagong in singles, Borg over Nastase, with other participants Laver, Newcombe, & Wade! :face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 
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I think we'll see Medvedev, Zverev, and Tsitsipas linked historically, as the "Biggish Three" of Next Gen. I think they'll all win 1-4 Slams a piece, which is a wide range, but the main point is that (I think) they all win Slams, possibly multiple, but not all-time-great level.

That seems reasonable, since they’re already 1/3 there with Medvedev winning the USO.

It seems there is a Millenial Gen Biggish Three forming as well in FAA, Sinner, and Alcaraz, but it is obviously too soon to tell

I still can’t get behind the idea of FAA becoming even a Biggish Three. Going 0-8 in finals doesn’t engender much hope of greatness, but maybe Toni Nadal will help get him there.
 

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That seems reasonable, since they’re already 1/3 there with Medvedev winning the USO.



I still can’t get behind the idea of FAA becoming even a Biggish Three. Going 0-8 in finals doesn’t engender much hope of greatness, but maybe Toni Nadal will help get him there.
Hey brother, Zverev is 0-11 against top ten players at slams. I don't get the hype with this bloke. Tsitsipas too, who plainly isn't emotionally strong enough to win a slam. In FAA's favour, he's still young, and he has uncle Toni in his ear...
 

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That seems reasonable, since they’re already 1/3 there with Medvedev winning the USO.



I still can’t get behind the idea of FAA becoming even a Biggish Three. Going 0-8 in finals doesn’t engender much hope of greatness, but maybe Toni Nadal will help get him there.
Well, the fact that he's made eight finals already is rather impressive. I think, also, that once he pops his cherry, the titles will come in bunches.

By "biggish three" I don't necessarily mean greatness, just dominant among their generation. I'd say Sinner has pulled ahead of FAA as the most promising of that cohort, at least until Alcaraz Garfia proves he's not another Coric, or Musetti takes a leap.

I'm still hopeful that FAA will become a dominant player, certainly top 5 and probably a multiple Slam winner. More bearish on elite greatness, though.
 
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Hey brother, Zverev is 0-11 against top ten players at slams. I don't get the hype with this bloke. Tsitsipas too, who plainly isn't emotionally strong enough to win a slam. In FAA's favour, he's still young, and he has uncle Toni in his ear...
Hey Kieran. Depends upon what you mean by "hype." Zverev is a very good player, but he's not the heir apparent that he looked he might be a few years ago. I think part of that hype was due to the failure of Lost Gen, and Zverev was the first young guy to emerge in years that looked really promising.

But consider that he is only 24 and has already compiled 1 WTF, 1 Olympics, and 5 Masters. That's more big titles than any active players other than the (former) Big Four, including Stan, Delpo, etc.

His 7 big titles are also tied with former #1s and multi-Slam winners Stan Smith and Marat Safin. When he wins another, he'll be tied with Chang, Vilas, and Ashe. Two more and he's tied with Kuerten, Muster, and Courier.

He struggled to go deep at Slams early on, but that has changed in the last couple years, reaching the SF in four of the last seven Slams.
 
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Hey Kieran. Depends upon what you mean by "hype." Zverev is a very good player, but he's not the heir apparent that he looked he might be a few years ago. I think part of that hype was due to the failure of Lost Gen, and Zverev was the first young guy to emerge in years that looked really promising.

But consider that he is only 24 and has already compiled 1 WTF, 1 Olympics, and 5 Masters. That's more big titles than any active players other than the (former) Big Four, including Stan, Delpo, etc.

His 7 big titles are also tied with former #1s and multi-Slam winners Stan Smith and Marat Safin. When he wins another, he'll be tied with Chang, Vilas, and Ashe. Two more and he's tied with Kuerten, Muster, and Courier.

He struggled to go deep at Slams early on, but that has changed in the last couple years, reaching the SF in four of the last seven Slams.

Hey Dude, nice to see you! :)

By "hype" I mean that I've seen a couple of times here but also elsewhere on social media the expression that he'll either win multiple slams, or even that he'll be the next player to dominate tennis. I'm not sure if I read that here, or elsewhere, but it felt strange to see it.

There are a few indicators that show that he's not so mentally tough at the very highest levels, these last two sorties at the USO being quite telling. I suspect that Zverev might end up among players who we're still waiting for as the clock ticks down on them. He seems more a type to politely wait his turn, rather than one who'll force his way in. We'll see, and I could be proven wrong, but so far I'm becoming much more disillusioned by both him and Tsitsipas, both of whom I think would be pleased to win a single slam, though of course, the issue that arises when a player wins their first is, how capable are they of putting that swiftly behind them and increasing their hunger for more.

I suspect that Medvedev will manage this, possibly as soon as the next grand slam...
 
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Hey Dude, nice to see you! :)

By "hype" I mean that I've seen a couple of times here but also elsewhere on social media the expression that he'll either win multiple slams, or even that he'll be the next player to dominate tennis. I'm not sure if I read that here, or elsewhere, but it felt strange to see it.

There are a few indicators that show that he's not so mentally tough at the very highest levels, these last two sorties at the USO being quite telling. I suspect that Zverev might end up among players who we're still waiting for as the clock ticks down on them. He seems more a type to politely wait his turn, rather than one who'll force his way in. We'll see, and I could be proven wrong, but so far I'm becoming much more disillusioned by both him and Tsitsipas, both of whom I think would be pleased to win a single slam, though of course, the issue that arises when a player wins their first is, how capable are they of putting that swiftly behind them and increasing their hunger for more.

I suspect that Medvedev will manage this, possibly as soon as the next grand slam...
Nice to see you as well.

I do think he has a good chance of winning multiple slams, but by that I mean 2-3. I think it is clear that he won't be "that guy" to dominate for years. My take is that Next Gen won't have a singular "that guy," but several guys - namely, Medvedev, Zverev, and Tsitsipas (aka the "Biggish Three"), with a few guys just below, jostling for Masters and maybe the occasional stray Slam - Rublev, Berretini, Hurkacz, Ruud, etc. The next "that guy" will probably come from the "Millenial Gen," either Sinner or FAA or possibly Alcaraz Garfia. Or we could have a couple generations where there are a bunch of guys winning 1-3 Slams, but no truly dominant players. Sort of like Kuerten group, but maybe a bit better.

I hear you about Zverev's mental toughness. But there are improvements, no? He's going deeper into Slams, for one. And Tsitsipas...he looked really primed a year or two ago, but kind of fizzled, then rebounded a bit but hasn't taken that next step. He should be better. But like Zverev, I think he'll win Slams - possibly more than one. Just not tons.

Part of the problem is that we're jaded with the Big Three. We likely won't see their ilk for years, decades, maybe ever. But at some point we'll see another 6-8 Slam guy, a Becker or Edberg or Agassi.
 
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Oh yeah, Medvedev. He may turn out to be the best of the Next Genners--he certainly is right now--but I'm not convinced that he'll single himself out, or dominate for more than short periods. My guess is that we'll be linking and comparing him, Zverev, and Tsitsipas for years to come.
 
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Oh yeah, Medvedev. He may turn out to be the best of the Next Genners--he certainly is right now--but I'm not convinced that he'll single himself out, or dominate for more than short periods. My guess is that we'll be linking and comparing him, Zverev, and Tsitsipas for years to come.

My money is on Medvedev. Three major finals, with one win. Perhaps more importantly, he’s showing he learns and adapts. In 2019, after Rafa beat him 6-3, 6-0 in Canada, he took Rafa to 5 sets a few weeks later in New York. You could even see Medvedev adapting mid-match. A few months later, he took Rafa to a third set tiebreak in London. A far cry from winning only three games at the Rogers Cup. Most recently, he showed us at the US Open how much he learned about being in a major final against Novak. Medvedev kept saying in interviews on ESPN during the tournament that he now knew what to do, should he face Novak in another major final. The results speak for themselves. I haven’t seen this kind of learning curve, backed up with results, in Zverev or Tsitsipas. If anything, Tsitsipas unlearned how to beat Novak in the RG final.

Medvedev is also knocking on the door to be the next No. 1 (and even could be by the end of this year). Other than Andy Murray’s period at No. 1, no one has held that position since before World War II.
 

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My money is on Medvedev. Three major finals, with one win. Perhaps more importantly, he’s showing he learns and adapts. In 2019, after Rafa beat him 6-3, 6-0 in Canada, he took Rafa to 5 sets a few weeks later in New York. You could even see Medvedev adapting mid-match. A few months later, he took Rafa to a third set tiebreak in London. A far cry from winning only three games at the Rogers Cup. Most recently, he showed us at the US Open how much he learned about being in a major final against Novak. Medvedev kept saying in interviews on ESPN during the tournament that he now knew what to do, should he face Novak in another major final. The results speak for themselves. I haven’t seen this kind of learning curve, backed up with results, in Zverev or Tsitsipas. If anything, Tsitsipas unlearned how to beat Novak in the RG final.

Medvedev is also knocking on the door to be the next No. 1 (and even could be by the end of this year). Other than Andy Murray’s period at No. 1, no one has held that position since before World War II.
Good points. Yeah, he's primed to be the best of the group - but it remains to be seen for how long. I wouldn't put it past Zverev and Tsitsipas to take another step forward, especially Stefanos.
 

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The other thing going for Medvedev is that he's actually won a Slam. He knows he can do it, whereas doubt lives in the minds of Sascha and Stefanos. On the other hand, because Daniil did it, the other young guys must be thinking that they can, too. Meaning, it psychologically helps all of the younger players.

Basically, it broke things open. I don't think Novak or Rafa are done yet, but the competition just got tighter. This was already reflected in the rankings and Masters/WTF, but I suspect that we're going to see the takeover spread to Slams more.

My prediction is that the old guard wins only 2 Slams next year, and maybe 3-4 more total. That's all. But I've been wrong about their imminent demise before, but...
 
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Just a couple of toughts from my side.

Medvedev - I like him the most from all of the young guys and has biggest chance of becoming next no.1. There is a lot of HC and indoor tournaments for him to collect points. If he stays just decent on clay and grass he can be no.1. He seems to be the best of all young guys on HC and has upper hand against them. Medvedev will be at least 7-8 slams winner.

Tsitsipas - His game is best suited for clay and seems to be a bit underrated there. Yes he lost against Novak this year, he choked in his first slam final, but believe he has really nice game for clay and is very entertaining to watch him on the dirt. I expect him to win RG as his first slam.

Zverev - he has game for both HC and clay. Still missing some belief in most important matches, but once he breaks that barrier he could become better. I expect him to win a few slams as well, HC or clay.

Thiem - he is a lost case. I have a feeling he will never recover to the form he had in pre-Covid times. Maybe I am wrong.

FAA - Not worth mentioning yet. He hasn't done anything to convince me that he can beat all of the above guys when on top of their game. Too much hype around him. Let's give him another year to see where he ends.

Sinner - Almost same like FAA, seems stronger mentally, but there is no proof that he is anything better than Berdych was. Let's give him more time for now.

Beretttini - Has bigger chance to win a slam than FAA and Sinner as far as things are going for now. His game on grass is good enough to steal a slam.

Rublev - missing something, could be one of these guys who are always there, but wins nothing big, sort of like Ferrer.

Ruud - won only 250s tournaments so far, not worth mentioning. Plays well on clay though, could make some RG upsets and deeper runs.

Musetti, Alcaraz - too young to predict what they are capable of. Let's give them 2 seasons on tour and then re-evaluate.

Rafa - It all depends how he comes back from injury and how hard will it be for him to start playin pain free. I don't think he will ever win another slam away from clay. RG will be a question mark same as this year, if he doesn't come there healthy and full of confidence, he will not win it. My bet is he ends up with 21 slam winning last RG either next year or year after.

Novak - His best bet for winning a slam remains Wimbledon in my opinion. Although ruling AO for years, competition is much tougher there and he will most likely learn next year how it is to be overthrown in your backyard, similar what he did to Rafa this year. Novak could realistically win 1-2 Wimbledons and 1 AO going forward. RG is a tall task and USO his unluckiest slam.
 

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I hear you about Zverev's mental toughness. But there are improvements, no?
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I think his improvements only emphasise his problem. He used to be the guy with potential but now he’s in the ring and we get to see what he’s got, and he looks like he lacks ruthlessness, he looks like he goes away when he needs to step up. Now, he may learn this, but generally it’s innate, and I don’t think he has it, not do I think he’ll ever have it enough to be a multiple slam winner.

Tsitsipas is different but the result maybe the same. I liked Tsitsipas when he first made a splash a few years ago, he has a beautiful game, but I’ve taken a turn against him. Partly because of how he handles these wardrobe changes. And his reaction to criticism. There’s a babyish quality to him. I can’t put my finger on it, but it’s like petulance, an emotional inability to tell the critics to feck off. I suspect he still had his social media dependence issues. There’s something immature there, and again, like zverev, I think the damage is being done now that will stay with him. I saw him and his coach celebrating Tsitsipas becoming world number 3, and I thought that was wrong for several reasons.

Firstly, win a slam, and the ranking will look after itself, but celebrating getting to number 3? That’s not gold medal winner mentality. Others may disagree, but I think his coach - if he wasn’t such a media junkie - should have clipped his ears on that one and told him, you celebrate when you win things, now fetch me 20, son!
 

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Just a couple of toughts from my side.

Good stuff. I agree with most of it, with a nitpick here and there. To comment...
Medvedev - I like him the most from all of the young guys and has biggest chance of becoming next no.1. There is a lot of HC and indoor tournaments for him to collect points. If he stays just decent on clay and grass he can be no.1. He seems to be the best of all young guys on HC and has upper hand against them. Medvedev will be at least 7-8 slams winner.
I'd be surprised if he won that many, but you never know. I see more in the 3-6 range. That's broad, but a lot depends upon how Rafa and Novak rally, and how quickly the other young guys shape up.
Tsitsipas - His game is best suited for clay and seems to be a bit underrated there. Yes he lost against Novak this year, he choked in his first slam final, but believe he has really nice game for clay and is very entertaining to watch him on the dirt. I expect him to win RG as his first slam.
Yep. I'm hoping he's inspired by Medvedev and is a serious contender at both AO and RG.
Zverev - he has game for both HC and clay. Still missing some belief in most important matches, but once he breaks that barrier he could become better. I expect him to win a few slams as well, HC or clay.
Agreed.
Thiem - he is a lost case. I have a feeling he will never recover to the form he had in pre-Covid times. Maybe I am wrong.
Yeah, I don't know. Wrist injuries aren't good, and he might be ending up on the del Potro career path rather than what looked like the Wawrinka path.
FAA - Not worth mentioning yet. He hasn't done anything to convince me that he can beat all of the above guys when on top of their game. Too much hype around him. Let's give him another year to see where he ends.
I as feeling that way until he went deep at two Slams. I think once he gets past that mental hurdle of winning a title, they're going to come in bunches and he'll be right there with Medvedev, Zverev, and Tsitsipas, and I think it will happen soon.
Sinner - Almost same like FAA, seems stronger mentally, but there is no proof that he is anything better than Berdych was. Let's give him more time for now.
For me, Rublev is the new Berdych: big hitter, but something missing. Sinner looks really good and like FAA, will be vying for a spot in the elite relatively soon.
Beretttini - Has bigger chance to win a slam than FAA and Sinner as far as things are going for now. His game on grass is good enough to steal a slam.

Rublev - missing something, could be one of these guys who are always there, but wins nothing big, sort of like Ferrer.

Ruud - won only 250s tournaments so far, not worth mentioning. Plays well on clay though, could make some RG upsets and deeper runs.

Musetti, Alcaraz - too young to predict what they are capable of. Let's give them 2 seasons on tour and then re-evaluate.

Agree 100% on the above. Berretini might end up with the career that Raonic wishes he had. Like Rublev, I see him in the new "second tier," but I do think he has a better chance of a surprise Slam.
Rafa - It all depends how he comes back from injury and how hard will it be for him to start playin pain free. I don't think he will ever win another slam away from clay. RG will be a question mark same as this year, if he doesn't come there healthy and full of confidence, he will not win it. My bet is he ends up with 21 slam winning last RG either next year or year after.
I thought Rafa was done in 2015/16, and then he won five more Slams. Of course he's 35 now, with a stronger tour, but I would be surprised if he isn't a favorite at RG, but we'll need to see how he looks in clay season. I still think the storybook ending for Rafa is to win one more RG and announce his immediate retirement on the podium.
Novak - His best bet for winning a slam remains Wimbledon in my opinion. Although ruling AO for years, competition is much tougher there and he will most likely learn next year how it is to be overthrown in your backyard, similar what he did to Rafa this year. Novak could realistically win 1-2 Wimbledons and 1 AO going forward. RG is a tall task and USO his unluckiest slam.
I think you may be right re: Wimbledon over AO, but I think by 2022 Wim, some of the younger guys could play spoiler, so he might be in the same situation as he will be at AO. A lot of 2022 depends upon how Novak recovers from his loss to Medvedev. I wouldn't be totally surprised if he tailspins and never fully recovers. On the other hand, I also wouldn't be surprised if attains the 8th degree of enlightenment on a Serbian pseudo-pyramid, then comes back and wins five more Slams.
 
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I know Pancho did a lot more commentating, but I can only hear him giving the play by play action going on at that yearly exhibition of the top 4 men and women competing in the Carolinas, "The WCT Champions Chps!" It was an equal footing event where 4 men and 4 women played singles and doubles to accumulate points to win the overall event! Of course Roscoe Tanner won the "Aces" comp. of the event the year he participated! BJK won the initial event by taking the MxD with Stan Smith for the most part with just those 2 points! The TB gave it to her overall! Evert d Goolagong in singles, Borg over Nastase, with other participants Laver, Newcombe, & Wade! :face-with-hand-over-mouth:
I remember that event! Arthur Ashe said that after playing mixed doubles there with BJK in 1973 he realized how well she played so he made a small bundle betting against Bobby Riggs in the famous "Battle of the Sexes" later that year.
 
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I think his improvements only emphasise his problem. He used to be the guy with potential but now he’s in the ring and we get to see what he’s got, and he looks like he lacks ruthlessness, he looks like he goes away when he needs to step up. Now, he may learn this, but generally it’s innate, and I don’t think he has it, not do I think he’ll ever have it enough to be a multiple slam winner.
You may be right, but I would question that it is innate. Psychological qualities can be learned and unlearned, developed like any other skill. It is a bit trickier, because while you can practice your serve in a concrete way, it is much more slippery to work on the "eye of the tiger." Haha.

But I think of Stan Wawrinka, who basically languished as a #20-30 guy until 2013, the year he turned 28 years old. From 2014-16, he was the most feared player on tour, other than Novak. Did his skills and game change that much, or did he just mature and learn how to better use his skills? I'm not saying that Zverev will do the same, but Stan shows its possible.
Tsitsipas is different but the result maybe the same. I liked Tsitsipas when he first made a splash a few years ago, he has a beautiful game, but I’ve taken a turn against him. Partly because of how he handles these wardrobe changes. And his reaction to criticism. There’s a babyish quality to him. I can’t put my finger on it, but it’s like petulance, an emotional inability to tell the critics to feck off. I suspect he still had his social media dependence issues. There’s something immature there, and again, like zverev, I think the damage is being done now that will stay with him. I saw him and his coach celebrating Tsitsipas becoming world number 3, and I thought that was wrong for several reasons.
Kids these days! But yeah, of the three under discussion, his game is the prettiest and in some ways he should be the best of the three. But he's also young enough that there's room to find that missing component. But if what you say is true, there's not as much time as the "Wawrinka Paradigm" would imply.
Firstly, win a slam, and the ranking will look after itself, but celebrating getting to number 3? That’s not gold medal winner mentality. Others may disagree, but I think his coach - if he wasn’t such a media junkie - should have clipped his ears on that one and told him, you celebrate when you win things, now fetch me 20, son!
Haha, no doubt.
 
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PART TWO: GENERATIONAL DOMINANCE

To further explore this idea of a “changing of the guard,” let’s take an in-depth look at tennis generations, with an emphasis on more recent generations.

A Stroll Through The (Active) Generations

In the previous installment, I equated the term “Next Gen” with those players born between 1994-98, and the “Millenial Gen” as those born from 1999-2003. Again, these are artificial demarcations. In some sense, Dominic Thiem—born September 1993—belongs more with Next Gen than he does with the “Lost Gen” (1989-93). In truth, there are no distinct generations, just new players arriving every year. On the other hand, it does seem that players can be grouped in cohorts, so the generations offer us a handy perspective for looking at the evolution of the game.

Currently, the oldest player with any ATP points is Toshihide Matsui, born on April 19, 1978. Meaning, he’s actually of the pre-Federer generation (b. 1974-78), by my five-year spans. Or to put it another way, he’s closer to Gustavo Kuerten (b. 1976) than Roger Federer (b. 1981). But given that you’ve probably never heard of him, and that his career high ranking is #261, to find someone that we all have heard of, we have to go to Ivo Karlovic at #200.The 42-year old Dr Ivo was born in February of 1979, and thus on the older side of Generation Federer (1979-83) but after a late career spike that saw him finish 2016 with his highest year-end ranking (#20), he seems to be (finally) fading.

On the other side of the spectrum, there are several 16-year-olds with ATP points, but to find someone with significant points, we go to 18-year-old Carlos Alcaraz Garfia (b. 2003), ranked #38 and the highest ranked teenager (#14 Jannik Sinner turned 20 a month ago). The next highest ranked teenager is 19-year old Lorenzo Musetti at #57; the next highest ranked 18-year old is #133, Holger Nodskov Rune, who is a week older than Alcaraz. Alcaraz, Musetti, and Rune are the only players born in 2002 or later who are ranked in the top 250.

If you’re wondering, the highest ranked 17-year old is the French Arthur Fils, born in June of 2004 and all the way down at #676. As a general rule, a ranking outside of the top 200 denotes players who aren’t even yet on the Challenger circuit, so there’s no reason to pay too close attention to Fils. It is interesting to note that he defeated one Bernard Tomic in the first qualification round at Roland Garros, before falling to Marc Polmans in his next match.

So, the span of active ATP players—who are actually on the ATP circuit, or close to it—could be said to run from 18 to 42, or 1979 to 2003. Or really, 18-40, unless Karlovic’s ranking increases substantially. That gives us five generations to consider. Here are the top ten ranked players, by generation:

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As you can see, Roger’s generation is all but done – he’s the only player who turns 38 or older in the top 100 and, to be frank, is mainly holding onto that top 10 ranking due to the strange ranking rules currently in place. For the ATP Race rankings, he’s at #61. Of his generation, the only other big title winner left is Tommy Robredo, ranked outside the top 300. If you’re wondering, Robredo’s last appearance was losing in the 2021 Wimbledon qualifications to the #144 player, Tomas Machac.

Djokodal Gen is hanging on, although outside of Rafa and Novak, only a few guys are hanging out on the edge of the top 20, though there are still ten players in the top 50. Meaning, they too are aging out. Stan Wawrinka (currently #47) and Andy Murray (currently #116) are shadows of their former selves, Tomas Berdych has retired, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (#93) is likely not far behind, Marin Cilic (#40) has seriously faded and Juan Martin del Potro hasn’t played in over two years, his last event being Queen’s Club in June of 2019 (after defeating Denis Shapovalov in R32, he withdrew).

Lost Gen is…well, lost Gen. The top players, outside of Thiem (who is on the edge of that generation), are far down the rankings, with Kei Nishikori outside of the top 50. Meaning, other than Thiem, there are no serious Slam contenders, and we don’t yet know how Dominic will come back from his wrist injury.

Next Gen is clearly dominant, with the the best overall rankings of the five generations. Not only do they have five of the top seven rankings, but four more in the top 20. Meaning, they comprise 45% of the top 20. Only Daniil Medvedev has won a Slam, but Alexander Zverev, Stefanos Tsitsipas, Karen Khachanov, and Hubert Hurkacz have all won big titles. Consider that’s already more players (five) who have won big titles than all of Lost Gen (Dimitrov, Sock, and Thiem).

The Millenial Gen is rising, with three players on the edge of the top 10, and one of their youngest members in the top 40, and several others on the rise.

A large percentage of top players were born in the 1996-98 range, with six of ten top 10 players born in those three years. The other four are Federer (1981), Nadal (1986), Djokovic (1987) and Thiem (1993). Furthermore, ten of the top 14 were born in 1996 or later, with Felix Auger-Aliassime (b. 2000), Denis Shapovalov (b. 1999), Hubert Hurkacz (b. 1997), and Jannik Sinner (b. 2001) rounding out #11-14.

Or to put that in even more striking terms, of the top 14, the fifth oldest player is Daniil Medvedev, born in 1996. Meaning, 10 of the top 14 players (71%) are 25 years or younger.

To put all of that information in another visual aid, here’s another chart:

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This chart clearly illustrates that the top of the rankings has migrated ore centrally to players born in the mid-90s, that is, Next Gen. The Times They Are A Changin.

Focus Players

Let’s take a slightly different angle. Below is a list of the players by birth year, from 1927 to the present, who have won at least 6 majors—Amateur, Pro, or Open Era Slams:

1927: Frank Sedgman (8)
1928: Pancho Gonzales (14)
1930: Tony Trabert (7)
1934: Ken Rosewall (23)
1936: Roy Emerson (12)
1938: Rod Laver (19)
1944: John Newcombe (7)
1952: Jimmy Connors (8)
1956: Bjorn Borg (11)
1959: John McEnroe (7)
1960: Ivan Lendl (8)
1964: Mats Wilander (7)
1966: Stefan Edberg (6)
1967: Boris Becker (6)
1970: Andre Agassi (8)
1971: Pete Sampras (14)
1981: Roger Federer (20)
1986: Rafael Nadal (20)
1987: Novak Djokovic (20)


A few things to note. One, from 1927 to the present, no two 6+ major winners have been born in the same year. Two, the gaps in years between the 6+ major winners are: 0, 1, 3, 1, 1, 5, 3, 2, 0, 3, 1, 0, 2, 0, 9, 4, 0.

Meaning, the longest gap—by far—was between Sampras and Federer, a span of nine years (1972-80) with no 6+ major winners. The sixteen other gaps are between 0-5 years, with 14 of 17 gaps between 0-3 years. The average gap is 2.1 years.

Novak Djokovic, born in 1987, is the youngest player to win 6+ majors. For the first time in tennis history, there is no active player aged 32 or younger with 6+ major titles. Even more startling, only four players aged 32 and younger have won majors, all of them singletons, and two of them turning 32 this month.

This will, of course, inevitably change. But given the lay of the land right now, it seems that the first year which could yield a 6+ major winner is 1996, with Daniil Medvedev. So, unless Thiem comes back even better than before, we’re looking at an 8+ year gap. If Medvedev doesn’t win 6 majors, the next possible candidates are probably Alexander Zverev (b. 1997) and Stefanos Tsitsipas (b. 1998).

In other words, we’re looking at a gap similar as that between Sampras and Federer, when multi-Slam winners were Sergi Bruguera (born in 1971, same as Sampras), Patrick Rafter (1972), Yevgeny Kafelnikov (1974), Gustavo Kuerten (1976), Marat Safin (1980) and Lleyton Hewitt (1981, a few months before Federer).

Or to put all of that pictorially, here is the final, fanciest chart yet:


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To clarify the above chart, the graph itself includes all Slam winners by birth year, with one cell per Slam. The names listed below the graph are all multiple majors winners (2+), and the key explains the color-coding.

The area for the players born in the 1930s is a bit exaggerated, because it includes both Amateur and Pro Slams. If they had been consolidated, some of those graph pillars would be lower (probably most notably Roy Emerson).

After Laver’s 1938 group, the pillars are greatly reduced in size, with smaller peaks for 1952 (Connors and Vilas), 1956 (Borg), 1959 and ’60 (McEnroe and Lendl, respectively), the great trio of Northern Europeans in 1964-67 (Wilander, Edberg, and Becker), and then 1970 (Agassi and Courier) and 1971 (Sampras).

After 1971, there is a long period with no players winning more than 3 Slams, that being Gustavo Kuerten in 1976, until 1981 (Federer), then another gap until 1986 and ’87 (Nadal and Djokovic, respectively).

As you can see, the chart terminates in 2000, but as mentioned, there is now one player born as late as 2003 (Carlos Alcaraz Garfia) in the top 40. But the “dark space” after Djokovic is rather striking, speaking of the sheer dominance of Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic, and also the weakness of the players born in the first half of the 90s. As the next few years progress, we should expect to see the latter half of that decade fill out with more color and extended into the 21st century.


Final Thoughts

One big takeaway from all the above is that we’re past due for another 6+ major winner. As mentioned, the oldest best candidate is Daniil Medvedev, born in 1996 (again, Thiem, who just turned 28, is probably unlikely to reach 6).

In the next part we will look more in-depth at the younger generations and attempt to predict who—at least based on past precedents—is most likely to take up the mantle of “all-time great,” or at least win multiple Slams.
Very interesting, and very very good, brother, thanks! :clap::clap::clap:
 
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One thing I didn't note re: that last chart is 1989-92 is the longest Slamless streak in the chart. I haven't checked before 1925. Not counting 1997-on, of course, as that book isn't written yet. But at this point, I'd be surprised if anyone born in the 1989-92 range will win a Slam. That is, unless Raonic or Dimitrov somehow "do an Ivanisevic."

Also 1994-95 is just weak. Too bad about Kyrgios (1995, ranked 85). I suppose he's a candidate to pull off a surprise Slam over the next five years, but I wouldn't count on it.