Maria Sharapova Slams Serena

[Calvy]

My question is if Serena wasn't talking about Maria why did she apologize? The writer infers that it is about Sharapova (while I am inclined to think it is Maria that Serena was talking about in that statement) why would you apologize for something in which you didn't mention any names? Unless, she apologized for him assuming that she was talking about Maria and being inadvertently brought into that article. To me, that apology shows that you were indeed talking about Maria.

And, Maria if you are going to talk about something without being fully up to speed then shame on you as well.

All articles I've read explicitly state she apologize for Maria being bought into the situation by the writer, whom assumed with no proof the comments were relating to Maria. Doesn't seems the apology means she was referring to Maria, especially since the writer only heard one end of the conversation.

In fact many are speculating that it's actually about Victoria, and not Maria.

 

[kskate2]

My question is if Serena wasn't talking about Maria why did she apologize? The writer infers that it is about Sharapova (while I am inclined to think it is Maria that Serena was talking about in that statement) why would you apologize for something in which you didn't mention any names? Unless, she apologized for him assuming that she was talking about Maria and being inadvertently brought into that article. To me, that apology shows that you were indeed talking about Maria.

And, Maria if you are going to talk about something without being fully up to speed then shame on you as well.

All articles I've read explicitly state she apologize for Maria being bought into the situation by the writer, whom assumed with no proof the comments were relating to Maria. Doesn't seems the apology means she was referring to Maria, especially since the writer only heard one end of the conversation.

In fact many are speculating that it's actually about Victoria, and not Maria.

I think she apologized to Maria because she realized how careless it was having a phone conversation w/ a reporter around. I don't think she was talking about Maria at all. The description doesn't sound like Sharapova. Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year. Some people were speculating she was actually referring to Caroline because it's been suggested Rory is a bit controlling.

 

[MashaFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, she was talking to her sister and the reporter overheard it. I'm certain you've never talked negative about someone to a friend or family member, and her comments about the rape case are HER belief, and u don't have the right to say how someone should feel.

* "overheard it"? - So loud that the reporter could quote her word for word and probably even was able to record the conversation?
* Why don't I or anyone else - have the right to have an opinion about her initial comment in the rape case? - Besides - I haven't expressed an opinion about Serena's rape case comment - All I said was that Serena fans seem to avoid the issue in their eagerness to point the finger at Masha
* And your comment about "In fact many are speculating that it's actually about Victoria, and not Maria." - Yeah right - like Serena knows Redfoo or any of the other top 5 players boyfriends so well that she can judge the color of his heart - puleese!!!

 

[Calvy]

My question is if Serena wasn't talking about Maria why did she apologize? The writer infers that it is about Sharapova (while I am inclined to think it is Maria that Serena was talking about in that statement) why would you apologize for something in which you didn't mention any names? Unless, she apologized for him assuming that she was talking about Maria and being inadvertently brought into that article. To me, that apology shows that you were indeed talking about Maria.

And, Maria if you are going to talk about something without being fully up to speed then shame on you as well.

All articles I've read explicitly state she apologize for Maria being bought into the situation by the writer, whom assumed with no proof the comments were relating to Maria. Doesn't seems the apology means she was referring to Maria, especially since the writer only heard one end of the conversation.

In fact many are speculating that it's actually about Victoria, and not Maria.

I think she apologized to Maria because she realized how careless it was having a phone conversation w/ a reporter around. I don't think she was talking about Maria at all. The description doesn't sound like Sharapova. Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year. Some people were speculating she was actually referring to Caroline because it's been suggested Rory is a bit controlling.

The Caroline thing may be true, but, it wouldn't make sense since Caroline hasn't been a top 5 player for over a year now and this took place in March if I'm correct.

My thought is, it may be Kvitova, especially with the reports that she has been dating Radek Stephank.

 

[MashaFan]

I think she apologized to Maria because she realized how careless it was having a phone conversation w/ a reporter around. I don't think she was talking about Maria at all. The description doesn't sound like Sharapova. Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year. Some people were speculating she was actually referring to Caroline because it's been suggested Rory is a bit controlling.

The apology wasn't about what she said about Masha - all Serena apologized for was that she was sorry that Masha was dragged into the situation - She neither confirmed nor did she deny that it was about Masha and therefor such an apology is worth nothing - However there are enough indications that she actually was talking about Masha and I'm sure Masha must have been upset about the "hey, if she wants to be with the guy with a black heart, go for it." - not to speak about the other condescending remarks - And even if no names were mentioned - I'm sure that Masha is intelligent enough to figure out who it was directed to - Whatever the case and no matter whom of the other top 5 players (i e Azarenka - Radwanska or Li which were the only ones left in the top 5 in March) Serena was talking about - such a condescending remark outspoken publically so loud that a reporter could quote her word for word is unforgivable

As for the "Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year." - I'm not sure "cool parties" refer to such events

 

[Calvy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, she was talking to her sister and the reporter overheard it. I'm certain you've never talked negative about someone to a friend or family member, and her comments about the rape case are HER belief, and u don't have the right to say how someone should feel.

* "overheard it"? - So loud that the reporter could quote her word for word and probably even was able to record the conversation?
* Why don't I or anyone else - have the right to have an opinion about her initial comment in the rape case? - Besides - I haven't expressed an opinion about Serena's rape case comment - All I said was that Serena fans seem to avoid the issue in their eagerness to point the finger at Masha
* And your comment about "In fact many are speculating that it's actually about Victoria, and not Maria." - Yeah right - like Serena knows Redfoo or any of the other top 5 players boyfriends so well that she can judge the color of his heart - puleese!!!

"Serena never should have said something like that about any "top five player" and her comment in the rape issue was completely outta line"

So, tell me, this isn't an expressed opinion on her comments about the rape case - "her comment in the rape issue was completely outta line!" - your words.

And tell me, which crowd does, or did Serena run with? The Beyonce's, Kim Kardasians, Kelly Rowlands, Commons, Kaynes and Drakes and other music types, so who to say she doesn't know Redfoo quite well...puleese on that!!

And you're as bad as the journalist, "every indication she was talking about Maria." There is no indication, because neither you nor the writer in question knows what the other side of the conversation, Venus', was being said. It was a private conversation that the writer overheard, and in the context, he had no business mentioning it, whether he was in earshot or not. And if she was talking about Maria, Vika, Li, Radwanske or Petra, so what, IT WAS A PRIVATE PHONE DISCUSSION....

 

[MashaFan]

"Serena never should have said something like that about any "top five player" and her comment in the rape issue was completely outta line"

So, tell me, this isn't an expressed opinion on her comments about the rape case - "her comment in the rape issue was completely outta line!" - your words.

I was referring to my initial post #34

And tell me, which crowd does, or did Serena run with? The Beyonce's, Kim Kardasians, Kelly Rowlands, Commons, Kaynes and Drakes and other music types, so who to say she doesn't know Redfoo quite well...puleese on that!!

*shrug* - If you prefer to turn a blind eye - that's your problem - I'm sure Serena knows all these people's boyfriends so intimate that she can judge the color of their hearts

And you're as bad as the journalist, "every indication she was talking about Maria." There is no indication, because neither you nor the writer in question knows what the other side of the conversation, Venus', was being said. It was a private conversation that the writer overheard, and in the context, he had no business mentioning it, whether he was in earshot or not. And if she was talking about Maria, Vika, Li, Radwanske or Petra, so what, IT WAS A PRIVATE PHONE DISCUSSION

How private is a discussion when a celebrity like Serena speaks in her phone publically in such a manner that lots of people can hear her? - All I'm saying is that Serena isn't a newbie media wise - she should have known better

However - my whole point is to level all the upset voices about Masha's behavior and all I'm saying is that Serena is much to blame as well - even more so maybe

 

[Johnsteinbeck]

anyway, i think the real big takeaway from these one and a half affairs is that people should learn that, while Rolling Stone reporters are probably really cool hanging out with you, they are still journalists, and you should think twice about what you say to and in front of them. i know a certain former General who'd probably agree.

 

[Calvy]

"Serena never should have said something like that about any "top five player" and her comment in the rape issue was completely outta line"

So, tell me, this isn't an expressed opinion on her comments about the rape case - "her comment in the rape issue was completely outta line!" - your words.

I was referring to my initial post #34

And tell me, which crowd does, or did Serena run with? The Beyonce's, Kim Kardasians, Kelly Rowlands, Commons, Kaynes and Drakes and other music types, so who to say she doesn't know Redfoo quite well...puleese on that!!

*shrug* - If you prefer to turn a blind eye - that's your problem - I'm sure Serena knows all these people's boyfriends so intimate that she can judge the color of their hearts

And you're as bad as the journalist, "every indication she was talking about Maria." There is no indication, because neither you nor the writer in question knows what the other side of the conversation, Venus', was being said. It was a private conversation that the writer overheard, and in the context, he had no business mentioning it, whether he was in earshot or not. And if she was talking about Maria, Vika, Li, Radwanske or Petra, so what, IT WAS A PRIVATE PHONE DISCUSSION

How private is a discussion when a celebrity like Serena speaks in her phone publically in such a manner that lots of people can hear her? - All I'm saying is that Serena isn't a newbie media wise - she should have known better

However - my whole point is to level all the upset voices about Masha's behavior and all I'm saying is that Serena is much to blame as well - even more so maybe

"I was referring to my initial post #34"

Where do you think I got it from?

"*shrug* - If you prefer to turn a blind eye - that's your problem - I'm sure Serena knows all these people's boyfriends so intimate that she can judge the color of their hearts"

Stupid comment considering I posted one of the first comments on this forum and was critical of Serena for the comment before I got the entire story of when and how the comment was made, and that no one specific person name was ever uttered on Serena's end, and whom she was referring to was all speculation.

And I didn't say she knows EVERY celebrities boyfriends that she hung out with "color" of heart. I'm making a point, it's not like she doesn't know many of these people up close personal. Definitely more so than you know either Serena or Maria, and you always give your opinion regarding them, NO?

"ow private is a discussion when a celebrity like Serena speaks in her phone publically in such a manner that lots of people can hear her? - All I'm saying is that Serena isn't a newbie media wise - she should have known better"

Doesn't matter if he was within earshot or not, fact is, it was not a public conversation or comment, and what was said was meant for she and Venus. She has nothing to apologize for, the same way when you berates someone to one of your friends.

 

[tossip]

OMG ...just been watching Wendy William show and she talked about the pova and Ree feud,She highlighted that pova has lost thirteen times to Serena and that Serena has $100mil and pova $80mil...she kinda sided with Serena... hehehe.Wendy can be mean sometimes,,,,,lol

 

[kskate2]

I think she apologized to Maria because she realized how careless it was having a phone conversation w/ a reporter around. I don't think she was talking about Maria at all. The description doesn't sound like Sharapova. Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year. Some people were speculating she was actually referring to Caroline because it's been suggested Rory is a bit controlling.

The apology wasn't about what she said about Masha - all Serena apologized for was that she was sorry that Masha was dragged into the situation - She neither confirmed nor did she deny that it was about Masha and therefor such an apology is worth nothing - However there are enough indications that she actually was talking about Masha and I'm sure Masha must have been upset about the "hey, if she wants to be with the guy with a black heart, go for it." - not to speak about the other condescending remarks - And even if no names were mentioned - I'm sure that Masha is intelligent enough to figure out who it was directed to - Whatever the case and no matter whom of the other top 5 players (i e Azarenka - Radwanska or Li which were the only ones left in the top 5 in March) Serena was talking about - such a condescending remark outspoken publically so loud that a reporter could quote her word for word is unforgivable

As for the "Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year." - I'm not sure "cool parties" refer to such events

I won't debate whether Serena was right or wrong, I really don't have an opinion about it one way or the other. But Maria has been on the cover of Forbes and is the highest paid female athlete. If she wanted to get into a "cool party" (unless Serena is throwing it ) she can. All I'm saying is from what I read in the Rollingstone article Serena doesn't mention a top 5 player, she never mentions a name and the description of the person she gave to Venus doesn't sound like Sharapova to me, period.

I think people are reading the black heart thing and assuming Serena is talking about Grigor. I don't know that for certain and neither does anyone else. It seems like alot has been assumed and taken for granted by alot people and it's sad that it's escalated to this.

 

[tossip]

I think she apologized to Maria because she realized how careless it was having a phone conversation w/ a reporter around. I don't think she was talking about Maria at all. The description doesn't sound like Sharapova. Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year. Some people were speculating she was actually referring to Caroline because it's been suggested Rory is a bit controlling.

The apology wasn't about what she said about Masha - all Serena apologized for was that she was sorry that Masha was dragged into the situation - She neither confirmed nor did she deny that it was about Masha and therefor such an apology is worth nothing - However there are enough indications that she actually was talking about Masha and I'm sure Masha must have been upset about the "hey, if she wants to be with the guy with a black heart, go for it." - not to speak about the other condescending remarks - And even if no names were mentioned - I'm sure that Masha is intelligent enough to figure out who it was directed to - Whatever the case and no matter whom of the other top 5 players (i e Azarenka - Radwanska or Li which were the only ones left in the top 5 in March) Serena was talking about - such a condescending remark outspoken publically so loud that a reporter could quote her word for word is unforgivable

As for the "Maria can get into any A-list party she wants and does attend some like the exclusive Oscar parties they hold every year." - I'm not sure "cool parties" refer to such events

I won't debate whether Serena was right or wrong, I really don't have an opinion about it one way or the other. But Maria has been on the cover of Forbes and is the highest paid female athlete. If she wanted to get into a "cool party" (unless Serena is throwing it ) she can. All I'm saying is from what I read in the Rollingstone article Serena doesn't mention a top 5 player, she never mentions a name and the description of the person she gave to Venus doesn't sound like Sharapova to me, period.

I think people are reading the black heart thing and assuming Serena is talking about Grigor. I don't know that for certain and neither does anyone else. It seems like alot has been assumed and taken for granted by alot people and it's sad that it's escalated to this.

I think Serena takes home more because right nowSerena has $100mil and pova $80mil...if you have lots endorsements you have to pay a group of people..fin magrs,advertising,sales,agent percentage...at the end of the day you earn less...I believe Ree takes home more than pova even though pova has lots of endorsements and some of them are conditional.I am sure Serena gets bonuses for getting to no.1,winning RG and defending Wimbledon.I heard that when she won USA Open99 she mad a bet with the owner of Puma that if she won she will get $2mil and that was motivation and she did.Serena could be getting more from defending her titles...:clap

 

[Calvy]

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All I'm saying is from what I read in the Rollingstone article Serena doesn't mention a top 5 player, she never mentions a name and the description of the person she gave to Venus doesn't sound like Sharapova to me, period.

I think people are reading the black heart thing and assuming Serena is talking about Grigor. I don't know that for certain and neither does anyone else. It seems like alot has been assumed and taken for granted by alot people and it's sad that it's escalated to this.

Exactly!!

 

[tented]

anyway, i think the real big takeaway from these one and a half affairs is that people should learn that, while Rolling Stone reporters are probably really cool hanging out with you, they are still journalists, and you should think twice about what you say to and in front of them. i know a certain former General who'd probably agree.

I'm glad you mentioned him (former General McChrystal). That reminded me of people questioning the validity of that article, and the response by Rolling Stone's Executive Editor Eric Bates: "We ran everything by them in the fact-checking process as we always do. They had a sense of what was coming and it was all on the record and they spent a lot of time with our reporter, so I think they knew that they had said it.”

This is standard practice for such magazines: run everything through fact-checkers prior to publication, otherwise you get sued, and you risk losing credibility. This process isn't 100% effective (Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass, etc.), but for the most part it is.

With that in mind, someone from Rolling Stone would have contacted Serena prior to publication, in order to verify everything. This would include the phone conversation. Had it happened differently, that would have been Serena's opportunity to dispute it. And perhaps she did clarify some aspects of it -- we'll never know.

I'm writing this as a way of addressing some speculation that it didn't happen, the writer made it up, the writer got it wrong, Serena was misquoted, etc.

 

[Calvy]

anyway, i think the real big takeaway from these one and a half affairs is that people should learn that, while Rolling Stone reporters are probably really cool hanging out with you, they are still journalists, and you should think twice about what you say to and in front of them. i know a certain former General who'd probably agree.

I'm glad you mentioned him (former General McChrystal). That reminded me of people questioning the validity of that article, and the response by Rolling Stone's Executive Editor Eric Bates: "We ran everything by them in the fact-checking process as we always do. They had a sense of what was coming and it was all on the record and they spent a lot of time with our reporter, so I think they knew that they had said it.”

This is standard practice for such magazines: run everything through fact-checkers prior to publication, otherwise you get sued, and you risk losing credibility. This process isn't 100% effective (Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass, etc.), but for the most part it is.

With that in mind, someone from Rolling Stone would have contacted Serena prior to publication, in order to verify everything. This would include the phone conversation. Had it happened differently, that would have been Serena's opportunity to dispute it. And perhaps she did clarify some aspects of it -- we'll never know.

I'm writing this as a way of addressing some speculation that it didn't happen, the writer made it up, the writer got it wrong, Serena was misquoted, etc.

The question wasn't whether he made it up, it's that he wrote he assumed the conversation on the phone was about Maria. I doubt that was fact checked, and a writer doesn't have to get her okay to put his assumptions in an article.

Also, regarding fact checking, you don't contact the interviewee whom you have on recording to fact check, that's usually used when it's investigative journalism or if you want to confirm some background and something they may have been claimed by a source or the interviewee.

This article was a simple profile that turned into something more after the fact.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

I don't know that it was a smart thing for Serena to apologize to Maria. Maria had not read the article at that point and had no context whatsoever in why the apology was issued. Then, she hears/sees the comment afterward with the writer making an assumption that it is about Maria. I am sure Serena's apology before knowing the context of the article made Maria think that the conversation was definitely about her.

 

[toshiroh]

But she apologized for her name being brought into it, not for it being about her. The fact that Maria would publicly attack Serena and her Coach/ alleged boyfriend after Serena apologized says a lot about Pova.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

That is my point I think the apology led Maria to definitely feel like Serena was talking about her despite not mentioning her name.

 

[tossip]

That is my point I think the apology led Maria to definitely feel like Serena was talking about her despite not mentioning her name.

so pova is not very bright...:snigger

 

[Kieran]

Serena is real post-feminist, eh? Up for the sistas! Squabbling with one over a man and blaming another for being raped. Feminist icon! Go girl, go!