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The only reason Thiem "has been horrible" a day he beat Rafa in starlight sets is because Novak pushed him far behind the baseline while he was bombing him from inside the court. Not that Thiem was injured or anything.

Thiem wasn't injured but he was mentally empty which happen very often when they beat the best ones. Remember Tomic in the AO after to beat Novak? his next match was cero patatero. Remember Donskoy after to beat Federer in Dubai? have you heard about him? of course Thiem is better player than those two but to be mentally empty is like to play without a racket
 

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The irony is it was crazy hot at Wimbledon last few years so the dampness you're alluding to was more in RG 2014 which he actually won. Wimbledon hasn't been a washout for quite a while now.
Hopefully its hot temperatures this year
 

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Thiem wasn't injured but he was mentally empty which happen very often when they beat the best ones. Remember Tomic in the AO after to beat Novak? his next match was cero patatero. Remember Donskoy after to beat Federer in Dubai? have you heard about him? of course Thiem is better player than those two but to be mentally empty is like to play without a racket
Thiem had been chasing down Nadal since the later part of winter.. He has played as many matches,with the exception of Nadal. You are correct he was drained and Novak was the perfect vulture to claim his corpse in Roma..
 
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Moxie , Front will always question everyone but Roger who is the poster boy for all his PED conspiracies..Roger has lost only one match in one full calendar year.But he chooses not to play RG, why. All the odds are in his favor. He is unbeatable
I'm pretty sure you mean that "Rafa" is the poster-boy for all of Front's PED theories, no? Roger is his paragon of virtue and tennis talent. And Front's not alone in that. The problem for me is the double-standard. I don't buy much into these conspiracies, and I'm not sure where you're going with the Roger not playing RG. My only complaint is that Front is still willing to make *cough* innuendos, and see no irony in Roger's annus mirabilis, compared to his old list of complaints. The reality is that Front and some others are convinced that Roger's accomplishments are completely down to talent, and yet have to lay Rafa's to dope. Two great champions, both having done so much. One squeaky clean, one not. How do you really square that, with the results? For the record, I think they're both clean.
 

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Results from the Italian Open Men's Singles matches on Saturday

Semifinal
2-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat 8-Dominic Thiem (Austria) 6-1 6-0
16-Alexander Zverev (Germany) beat John Isner (U.S.) 6-4 6-7(5) 6-1

Quarterfinal

2-Novak Djokovic (Serbia) beat Juan Martin del Potro (Argentina) 6-1 6-4



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Roger Von Bottingen : “Manacor, we have a problem.”

Zverev will try to imitate his brother and to go to the net, but lets see where he ends up if Nole can repeat the good game.

I hope he doesn't try to imitate his brother, because he'll be a sitting duck and also because he has a fraction of his brothers net game. If you watched them at the net, you'd think Sascha was adopted.
 

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Thiem wasn't injured but he was mentally empty which happen very often when they beat the best ones. Remember Tomic in the AO after to beat Novak? his next match was cero patatero. Remember Donskoy after to beat Federer in Dubai? have you heard about him? of course Thiem is better player than those two but to be mentally empty is like to play without a racket


I don't think Tomic ever beat Novak, you probably think of Denis Histamine. I think Zverev will be empty if he loses the final to Nole, probably overwhelmed for beating Isner in 3 sets.
 

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I hope he doesn't try to imitate his brother, because he'll be a sitting duck and also because he has a fraction of his brothers net game. If you watched them at the net, you'd think Sascha was adopted.

He has to mix things up. If he stays on the baseline, I think he will be even more of the sitting duck - in case, Novak is able to repeat the level from qf and sf, of course.
 

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As long as you realize that, for now, we're still in the realm of fiction. Two confident matches in a year doesn't necessarily shake folks in their boots. I'll see your apfelstrudel and raise you a seafood paella. :drums:

As long as they are in good form, I don't think anyone will feel hurt. Stay tuned to learn what is Fed's favourite Spanish dish that Rafa will make for him when he pays the visit to Majorka. ;-)
 

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I don't think Tomic ever beat Novak, you probably think of Denis Histamine. I think Zverev will be empty if he loses the final to Nole, probably overwhelmed for beating Isner in 3 sets.
Yes, I meant Istomin :mail:
 

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Best thing to stifle Front is for Rafa,to keep facing Roger on the grass..i would hope that its,gonna be high this year but I know they are,gonna make it very accommodating for Roger.. I always felt the last few,years,the dampness of Wimbledon air wrecked havoc on Rafa,aching injuries ..

Oh I'd love to see more Fed-Rafa on grass.

And you have to be kidding about Wimbledon accommodating Roger, them messing with the surface over the years helped Rafa and Novak and hurt Fed. It used to be faster and lower bouncing which would've made Fed a lot stronger at Wimbledon over the years.
 
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Okay..explain to the new board how a 36 year old man takes off 6-7 months for a supposedly knee injury and comes back ..wipes out the entire tour with the lone exception of the number 116 ranked or whatever the guy was in DOHA and is otherwise unbeatCoughable..

You and Darth says it's because of a juicedCough backhand and aggressively play....Sampras was just as good but fathertime got the best of him but Roger has defied him..explain again Fronty

Roger has been more aggressive off the backhand and especially the return. That's what has accounted for his great play so far this year. He used to be content just chipping returns back and mostly keeping points neutral off the backhand wing. Roger isn't suddenly moving better than before and it's not like he is serving harder. A more aggressive, first-strike approach has been effective and that may be Ljubicic convincing him to do it or he may have decided it on his own. Makes sense given his age and recent injury to be as aggressive as possible.

Sampras wasn't as talented and his circumstances were different. He broke the record and there was no one in sight threatening to break it. Pete had nagging injuries and a complete loss of motivation so he retired on the early side.
 

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Oh I'd love to see more Fed-Rafa on grass.

And you have to be kidding about Wimbledon accommodating Roger, them messing with the surface over the years helped Rafa and Novak and hurt Fed. It used to be faster and lower bouncing which would've made Fed a lot stronger at Wimbledon over the years.
Hmmmm, I don't know what to say but it seems that surface started to be slower since 2001 when some players started to complain about it . Nadal was 15 years old and still an amateur........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/4121364.stm
 
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Hmmmm, I don't know what to say but it seems that surface started to be slower since 2001 when some players started to complain about it . Nadal was 15 years old and still an amateur........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/4121364.stm

Yes, I didn't say they made the changes to help Rafa and Djokovic while hurting Federer. But undoubtedly that's what ended up happening. Both those guys prefer slower surfaces and Rafa wants as high of a bounce as possible. Roger is much more deadly the faster and lower bouncing the surface.
 
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As long as they are in good form, I don't think anyone will feel hurt. Stay tuned to learn what is Fed's favourite Spanish dish that Rafa will make for him when he pays the visit to Majorka. ;-)
Hopefully, it will be crow.
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Yes, I didn't say they made the changes to help Rafa and Djokovic while hurting Federer. But undoubtedly that's what ended up happening. Both those guys prefer slower surfaces and Rafa wants as high of a bounce as possible. Roger is much more deadly the faster and lower bouncing the surface.

Well, each one with his own game and if you read about the changes of the grass you can see it has been more for a good maintenance of that surface than to favor anyone
 

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Hmmmm, I don't know what to say but it seems that surface started to be slower since 2001 when some players started to complain about it . Nadal was 15 years old and still an amateur........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/4121364.stm
I know I and others have had this argument with Darth for years.. Rafa and Novak became better on the grass but never as dominant as ROger but good enough to level the playing field against the big servers with fantastic ability to return of serve and extend the point.

Remember Darth.. 2003-2007 was dominated by Roger. If you recall Rafa made three straight Wimbledon finals as a young 20 year old player.. Toni and Rafa studied ROger every move. They tweaked Rafa's game such as adding slice, serving up the T and exploited Roger's slice backhand. This is where my friend you do Rafa a tremendous disservice saying that Roger had no business loosing to Nadal. The same can be said about AO 2017, Rafa had no business loosing that final but Roger and team had a better strategic game plan that was executed to perfection by Roger. Novak studied how Rafa was able to break thru, dissected his game and was able to catch Roger on the wrong side of 30..

A Murray had it easier.. never had to deal with Rafa who game had slid due to injuries and lost confidence plus totally out classed by players who exploited his unagressive style of play.. an aging Federer but a Novak at the top of his game. It will continue this year if the big 4 plus Stan remain healthy.
 
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Djokovic is arriving again. First good tournament in 3-4 months. This will get him to top 5-6 of the race rankings. Shall he win I think he gets to no. 4. He is doing a comeback in here. And, that makes him a contender for Roland Garros I would think.
 

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I would love to see Rafa do well this coming Wimbledon. Even win it. His problem there is the low bounce on the ball and his achy knees. He should go in ranked 3-4 this year. With a decent draw, he could get into the second week. That's the game-changer he needs.

Stop dreaming. He has lost four times (or is it more?) to players ranked outside 100 in Wimbledon after his last victory over there. Even though Rafa is playing well this year (mainly by comparison to his previous three years), he is not playing that great not to be stopped by someone like Brown again. In the worst case, the stopper may be ranked between 50 and 100.
 

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I'm pretty sure you mean that "Rafa" is the poster-boy for all of Front's PED theories, no? Roger is his paragon of virtue and tennis talent. And Front's not alone in that. The problem for me is the double-standard. I don't buy much into these conspiracies, and I'm not sure where you're going with the Roger not playing RG. My only complaint is that Front is still willing to make *cough* innuendos, and see no irony in Roger's annus mirabilis, compared to his old list of complaints. The reality is that Front and some others are convinced that Roger's accomplishments are completely down to talent, and yet have to lay Rafa's to dope. Two great champions, both having done so much. One squeaky clean, one not. How do you really square that, with the results? For the record, I think they're both clean.
No..when you see someone that does something at an advanced age that never been done before.. it brings up red flags.. ask Kieran about it
 
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