Internazionali BNL d'Italia- Rome ATP1000 - 14th May to 21st May

[Carol]

Excuse? It's crime how they rig Nole's draws and what they do with his schedules.

Moxie, try to remember anyone who played last 3 rounds in 26 hours like Novak did.

How many games Novak played against Delpo on Saturday? two, three?

 

[Mastoor]

In bellow article, Olga Savchuk was called legendary and what happened to her was called crazy. She played a doubles match and then 2 qualifying matches in another tournament in 24 hours. On the other hand, no one will call Novak’s playing against a slam winner and two prospective future number ones within 26 hours legendary or crazy. Obstacles set to him by bandit lead ATP are routinely hush-hushed by Western media.



http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/...uk-she-plays-3-matches-in-less-than-24-hours/



Legendary Olga Savchuk: She plays 3 matches in less than 24 hours!
23 Jul 2015 - View: 3336
by Lorenzo Ciotti

Tennis - Ukrainian tennis player played in three matches, one doubles and two singles, all in one day!

It was crazy what happened to Olga Savchuk few days ago. After playing the doubles final of the WTA tournament in Bastad at 6 PM on Sunday, the Ukraine tennis player flew to Istanbul to play the qualification draw of the WTA tournament staged in Turkey this week.

A few hours after arriving in Turkey, Olga played two matches having only one hour break between one and the other. At 11 am on Monday, she defeated Zhaoxuan Yang, and shortly after, at 15:30 local time (60 minutes ahead of Sweden) she won also against Sara Tomic.

Practically, Savchuk played three matches in less than 24 hours, to say the least it is a legendary feat considering the average trip length from Bastad to Istanbul. Olga "challenged" even ATP / WTA regulations, providing that you can not play more than three matches in one day, including a double. After this hard work, there is a short well-deserved rest, for the number 283 in the world, who will debut in the main draw on Wednesday against Mona Barthel!

 

[mightyjeditribble]

In bellow article, Olga Savchuk was called legendary and what happened to her was called crazy. She played a doubles match and then 2 qualifying matches in another tournament in 24 hours. On the other hand, no one will call Novak’s playing against a slam winner and two prospective future number ones within 26 hours legendary or crazy. Obstacles set to him by bandit lead ATP are routinely hush-hushed by Western media.

Now, I know, I KNOW this is obvious trolling and I shouldn't engage with it, but ... WTF? Unless this is some excellent satire ...

a) This is a story about an otherwise unheralded player, playing the doubles final in one tournament and then playing, in the same 24-hour period, two more tennis matches at another tournament, several thousand kilometers away. How is it in any way relevant to Djokovic playing three matches over three days (albeit with one held overnight due to rain delay)??

b) Zverev won both doubles and singles in Montpellier earlier this year. Did he play less tennis over the last two days of that tournament than Djokovic did here?

c) Djokovic played five sets over the course of two days. They weren't even particularly long sets; he will have spent more time on court in a single match in the past ...

d) What on earth would you want the organisers to do? Postpone the final to Monday so that Novak can have some more beauty sleep? And where is the conspiracy? Did the organisers/ATP cause the rain to come?

Now don't get me wrong, the scheduling wasn't ideal for Novak, and could have contributed to his form against Zverev - who knows. And scheduling at some tournaments can be atrocious (although I don't really see it in Rome, unless you want to complain about it being a combined ATP and WTA event in the same week, in general). But that's the way things go sometimes, and all the tennis players have to deal with it on occasion ...

 

[Moxie]

Now, I know, I KNOW this is obvious trolling and I shouldn't engage with it, but ... WTF? Unless this is some excellent satire ...

a) This is a story about an otherwise unheralded player, playing the doubles final in one tournament and then playing, in the same 24-hour period, two more tennis matches at another tournament, several thousand kilometers away. How is it in any way relevant to Djokovic playing three matches over three days (albeit with one held overnight due to rain delay)??

b) Zverev won both doubles and singles in Montpellier earlier this year. Did he play less tennis over the last two days of that tournament than Djokovic did here?

c) Djokovic played five sets over the course of two days. They weren't even particularly long sets; he will have spent more time on court in a single match in the past ...

d) What on earth would you want the organisers to do? Postpone the final to Monday so that Novak can have some more beauty sleep? And where is the conspiracy? Did the organisers/ATP cause the rain to come?

Now don't get me wrong, the scheduling wasn't ideal for Novak, and could have contributed to his form against Zverev - who knows. And scheduling at some tournaments can be atrocious (although I don't really see it in Rome, unless you want to complain about it being a combined ATP and WTA event in the same week, in general). But that's the way things go sometimes, and all the tennis players have to deal with it on occasion ...

MJT, this is a perfect response! Mastoor likes to cry foul on occasion and he really needed to be talked of the ledge on this one. Good on you.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Now, I know, I KNOW this is obvious trolling and I shouldn't engage with it, but ... WTF? Unless this is some excellent satire ...

a) This is a story about an otherwise unheralded player, playing the doubles final in one tournament and then playing, in the same 24-hour period, two more tennis matches at another tournament, several thousand kilometers away. How is it in any way relevant to Djokovic playing three matches over three days (albeit with one held overnight due to rain delay)??

b) Zverev won both doubles and singles in Montpellier earlier this year. Did he play less tennis over the last two days of that tournament than Djokovic did here?

c) Djokovic played five sets over the course of two days. They weren't even particularly long sets; he will have spent more time on court in a single match in the past ...

d) What on earth would you want the organisers to do? Postpone the final to Monday so that Novak can have some more beauty sleep? And where is the conspiracy? Did the organisers/ATP cause the rain to come?

Now don't get me wrong, the scheduling wasn't ideal for Novak, and could have contributed to his form against Zverev - who knows. And scheduling at some tournaments can be atrocious (although I don't really see it in Rome, unless you want to complain about it being a combined ATP and WTA event in the same week, in general). But that's the way things go sometimes, and all the tennis players have to deal with it on occasion ...

I calculated exactly, it is not approximate. Novak played 20 games on saturdy ( the second set against JMDP was stopped at 2-1 and it ended at 6-4 and so they played 7 games in that match; in the match against thiem the score line was 6-1, 6-0 and so they played 13 games). On the other hand Zverev played 30 games on Saturday (as the scoreline was 6-4, 6-7, 6-1). In other words, Zverev played 50% extra games than Novak on Saturday. That being the case, attributing Novak's loss to imagined relative fatigue is ridiculous.

Mastoor makes Nadalites seem rational.

 

[Moxie]

I calculated exactly, it is not approximate. Novak played 20 games on saturdy ( the second set against JMDP was stopped at 2-1 and it ended at 6-4 and so they played 7 games in that match; in the match against thiem the score line was 6-1, 6-0 and so they played 13 games). On the other hand Zverev played 30 games on Saturday (as the scoreline was 6-4, 6-7, 6-1). In other words, Zverev played 50% extra games than Novak on Saturday. That being the case, attributing Novak's loss to imagined relative fatigue is ridiculous.

Mastoor makes Nadalites seem rational.

Except for the random and unnecessary dig at an entire fanbase, that's a good post. Of the two players in that final, one played with nerves like a first-timer, and one played with calm and maturity. The surprise was which was which. I could see why Novak started out nervously, and felt pressure to get this win, but I'm surprised he didn't calm down and take more control of the match. The one who should have been nervous and unfamiliar at that high altitude was Sasha, and he handled it like a champ. There's something to be said for the insouciance of youth, but still....

 

[tennisville]

That was a nice breakthrough and long awaited from the next generation players

 

[Mastoor]

Now, I know, I KNOW this is obvious trolling and I shouldn't engage with it, but ... WTF? Unless this is some excellent satire ...

a) This is a story about an otherwise unheralded player, playing the doubles final in one tournament and then playing, in the same 24-hour period, two more tennis matches at another tournament, several thousand kilometers away. How is it in any way relevant to Djokovic playing three matches over three days (albeit with one held overnight due to rain delay)??

b) Zverev won both doubles and singles in Montpellier earlier this year. Did he play less tennis over the last two days of that tournament than Djokovic did here?

c) Djokovic played five sets over the course of two days. They weren't even particularly long sets; he will have spent more time on court in a single match in the past ...

d) What on earth would you want the organisers to do? Postpone the final to Monday so that Novak can have some more beauty sleep? And where is the conspiracy? Did the organisers/ATP cause the rain to come?

Now don't get me wrong, the scheduling wasn't ideal for Novak, and could have contributed to his form against Zverev - who knows. And scheduling at some tournaments can be atrocious (although I don't really see it in Rome, unless you want to complain about it being a combined ATP and WTA event in the same week, in general). But that's the way things go sometimes, and all the tennis players have to deal with it on occasion ...

How do you dare to call my post trolling? You even pretend that what happened to Novak to play 3 matches in little more than 24 hours is something that normally happens, yet you didn't come up with a single example that the same or similar happened to any other singles player.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

How do you dare to call my post trolling? You even pretend that what happened to Novak to play 3 matches in little more than 24 hours is something that normally happens, yet you didn't come up with a single example that the same or similar happened to any other singles player.

It is not up to me to prove that some conspiracy for which there is absolutely no evidence never happened.

One-week tournaments routinely schedule QF/SF/F on Friday/Saturday/Sunday. So it is natural that, if there is a rain delay on Friday, this will have the effect that we saw.

It doesn't seem easy to bring up daily schedules from past tournaments, and even harder to pinpoint evidence of rain delays. I certainly have better things to do.

But I'm guessing you didn't try either before starting to spout your theories, given that a quick search revealed Murray's fate in Munich in 2015, when his QF was also held over until the Saturday. So he had to play QF and SF on the same day. He also played (and lost) the doubles SF later on that same day. Then he returned for the singles final on Sunday, which however was also interrupted by rain, so he had to finish on Sunday. He completed a hard-fought 7-6 (7-4) 5-7 7-6 (7-4) victory against Kohlschreiber to win his first clay-court title.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/01/andy-murray-luka-rosol-munich-open
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/32563119
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/32582143

So, yes, the scheduling was absolutely normal (particularly consider that they play ATP/WTA tournament in the same week, how else could they schedule?). It is then normal that, if a rain delay happens, players will need to play more than once in a day. It is not ideal, but hardly unheard of, and certainly not a conspiracy. What is more, Novak hardly had to expend a lot of energy in his Saturday matches, as GSM pointed out.

 

[Moxie]

Good post. Mastoor isn't a troll, but he is a huge Novak fan with a big chip on his shoulder. He believes that the ATP/ITF conspires to make things more difficult for his favorite. Though, somewhat inconsistently, he believes that umpire Pascal Maria sleeps with the fishes for the wrongs he's done to Nole.

Novak didn't suddenly play nervously, inconsistently and with a lot of errors last Sunday because he was over-worked. He's been playing like that as often as not for most of the last year. The bigger surprise was that he'd re-found his tennis for a couple of days in the QF/SF. Struggling to get your groove back when it's gone so far walkabout is not a surprise. It didn't help him to have a weird schedule, but he certainly didn't play more tennis than he was used to in those 3 days.

 

[Fiero425]

Good post. Mastoor isn't a troll, but he is a huge Novak fan with a big chip on his shoulder. He believes that the ATP/ITF conspires to make things more difficult for his favorite. Though, somewhat inconsistently, he believes that umpire Pascal Maria sleeps with the fishes for the wrongs he's done to Nole.

Novak didn't suddenly play nervously, inconsistently and with a lot of errors last Sunday because he was over-worked. He's been playing like that as often as not for most of the last year. The bigger surprise was that he'd re-found his tennis for a couple of days in the QF/SF. Struggling to get your groove back when it's gone so far walkabout is not a surprise. It didn't help him to have a weird schedule, but he certainly didn't play more tennis than he was used to in those 3 days.

It happens to all players! I remember when it started happening to Connors after '84! He had gone maybe 3 years without a tourney win and got to Orlando final in '87 against a SA, Christo van Rensburg, ranked #88! Everyone thought; no problem! Jimmy's got this! NOPE! Lost it in 3 to the kid; not close dropping the 3rd set 1-6! It's been 30 years and I can remember that more vividly than what I had for dinner last night!

Everyone's heard of Sampras' inexplicable fall from grace! He's winning a Wimbledon in 2000 over a good grass court player in Pat Rafter; who'd upset Agassi in the semis! The loss to Safin at the USO wasn't causing red flags yet, but little did we know that he would toil on the tour for 2 more years trying to win another title; not just a major, a freakin' title of any type! It got so bad, he actually lost a 2nd round match at 2002 Wimbledon to some Swiss player I'd never heard of then or since; George Bastl! WHO?

All the "Big 4" have gone through droughts, taken over #1 for a while, then given way to another member! Nothing's been more shocking than Federer's 4th act this season! I thought he was "done" after winning '12 Wimbledon; even with the other major finals! I just thought he'd allow Nole, Rafa, or Murray the win, but here we are with Grandpa adding to his legacy! Who'd of THUNK IT?"

Nole's been in a rut, where I haven't been able to update anything on his BLOG other than noting the latest lost! I expected to increase his stats on the page dealing with Masters and Majors; nothing since Canada believe it or not! Qatar not on the radar; even though a nice win over Murray!