Internazionali BNL d'Italia - Rome ATP Masters 1000, 2019

[GameSetAndMath]

I don't think it was, but does it matter?.

I am speechless. Are you saying having an MP on your serve and on opponent's serve are the same? I thought you knew tennis better than that.

 

[Moxie]

I am speechless. Are you saying having an MP on your serve and on opponent's serve are the same? I thought you knew tennis better than that.

Oh, get over yourself. I think JMDP had 2 MPs on his serve. Of course it matters, but the point is that Juan Martin blew the first and Novak won the second with a drop shot. In the end, if Djokovic won 4 points on the trot, it doesn't matter, to the outcome, which were on his serve. So what is your point, exactly?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Oh, get over yourself. I think JMDP had 2 MPs on his serve. Of course it matters, but the point is that Juan Martin blew the first and Novak won the second with a drop shot. What is your point, exactly?

No JMDP did not have two MPs on his serve. He had one on his serve and one on Novak's serve.

You are following up your "How does it matter?" comment with "Of course, it matters". Did you take training from Trump or Rudy to speak?

 

[Moxie]

No JMDP did not have two MPs on his serve. He had one on his serve and one on Novak's serve.

You are following up your "How does it matter?" comment with "Of course, it matters". Did you take training from Trump or Rudy to speak?

JMDP was serving at 6-4, up a mini break in that TB. That means he had 2 points on his serve, right? My saying that it doesn't matter is that it really only matters who wins the point. To say that it does matter is about a larger question in assessing the match later.

 

[DarthFed]

Doesn't matter. He and his emoticons will wake up refreshed tomorrow, with complete lack of irony intact. But for tennis fans, you have to say that Djokovic didn't impress in that match. Del Potro pretty much stole the first, but Novak stole the 2nd. It was never really a question that JMDP could hold the line in a 3rd, though he was still really valiant.

Didn't see any of it but all the main contenders for RG have shown some big chinks in the armor.

 

[Moxie]

Didn't see any of it but all the main contenders for RG have shown some big chinks in the armor.

Having watched a lot of the clay season, I can tell you that is true. Rafa has sailed through early rounds, only to be vulnerable in late ones. Djokovic has yet to convince. Thiem looks powerful, then falls early. Obviously, my hope is that Rafa takes revenge on Tsitsipas tomorrow, then takes advantage of a less than A-grade Djokovic. We shall see. But it seems to be the makings of a wild and wooly RG this year, with a lot of dangerous floaters, and the top contenders not being especially fine.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

JMDP was serving at 6-4, up a mini break in that TB. That means he had 2 points on his serve, right? My saying that it doesn't matter is that it really only matters who wins the point. To say that it does matter is about a larger question in assessing the match later.

Nope. When the score is 5-4, JMDP had two serves. He won the first point and the score became 6-4. Now he has two match points, but only one on his serve. He lost the first MP (on his serve) when a shot sailed out. Now the score is 6-5 in favor of JMDP and Novak served (and yes, he won the point with a drop shot). You can read here if you like in case you were not paying attention when watching.

Your saying is "How does it matter?" That is an emphatic statement declaring there is no difference.

 

[Moxie]

Nope. When the score is 5-4, JMDP had two serves. He won the first point and the score became 6-4. Now he has two match points, but only one on his serve. He lost the first MP (on his serve) when a shot sailed out. Now the score is 6-5 in favor of JMDP and Novak served (and yes, he won the point with a drop shot). You can read here if you like in case you were not paying attention when watching.

Your saying is "How does it matter?" That is an emphatic statement declaring there is no difference.

Why does this matter so much to you? I didn't even say that JMDP had 2 MPs on his serve, initially. Why are you being such a dick to me? I'm not interested is arguing the minutiae of who was serving at the late stages of that TB, because I don't think it matters hugely. If you want to discuss the match, though, I'm happy to.

 

[atttomole]

Fiero is strangely silent on his boy needing 3 hours to beat a guy who has barely played for 7 months.

He will not talk about it, as usual. Expect him to return in a few hours, because Djokovic didn't lose today. If Djokovic had lost, he would have disappeared from the boards until RG.

 

[Moxie]

He will not talk about it, as usual. Expect him to return in a few hours, because Djokovic didn't lose today. If Djokovic had lost, he would have disappeared from the boards until RG.

That's not really true of Fiero. Unlike other Novak fans who do disappear for long stretches, only to come crowing around when he wins, Fiero is a perennial.

 

[atttomole]

That's not really true of Fiero. Unlike other Novak fans who do disappear for long stretches, only to come crowing around when he wins, Fiero is a perennial.

It is actually true. I remember after Djokovic lost to Kohlschriber at Indian Wells, he disappeared for a couple of days. When I asked where he was, he suddenly reappeared. That defeat must have been too tough to handle for him, even though it was a mere Master's tournament. He should not worry because we are not going to pillory him if Djokovic suffers shocking losses. We all have to deal with disappointment when our favorites lose. We like him here. He is our resident tennis guru.

 

[Moxie]

It is actually true. I remember after Djokovic lost to Kohlschriber at Indian Wells, he disappeared for a couple of days. When I asked where he was, he suddenly reappeared. That defeat must have been too tough to handle for him, even though it was a mere Master's tournament. He should not worry because we are not going to pillory him if Djokovic suffers shocking losses. We all have to deal with disappointment when our favorites lose. We like here him. He is our resident tennis guru.

All right, but a couple of days isn't like the months at a time that other Djokovic fans desert for. I don't know about "tennis guru," but you're welcome to your opinion on that.

 

[atttomole]

All right, but a couple of days isn't like the months at a time that other Djokovic fans desert for. I don't know about "tennis guru," but you're welcome to your opinion on that.

I said guru in jest. Its true that he posts more regularly than many other Djokovic fans, just that he disappears longer than expected, considering his regularity.

 

[Michael;Kiwi]

A lot of people have said they think Federer should pull out of Roland Garros. However, I think this was just a precautionary withdrawal due to a minor injury. I also think the fact that he played five tough sets yesterday is a big problem. Nowhere are you expected to play five sets without a rest day. That is too much to ask for Federer at this age. He showed great stamina to beat Coric even after getting injured. Clearly it is not too serious. I think he will play and be the fourth or fifth favorite. Not sure about Tsitsipas. If he makes it to the semis and he gets lucky not having to play them he could still have a shot.

 

[Michael;Kiwi]

Nadal, however has been exceptional and I now think he is a strong favorite both here in Italy and in Paris.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

A lot of people have said they think Federer should pull out of Roland Garros. However, I think this was just a precautionary withdrawal due to a minor injury. I also think the fact that he played five tough sets yesterday is a big problem. Nowhere are you expected to play five sets without a rest day. That is too much to ask for Federer at this age. He showed great stamina to beat Coric even after getting injured. Clearly it is not too serious. I think he will play and be the fourth or fifth favorite. Not sure about Tsitsipas. If he makes it to the semis and he gets lucky not having to play them he could still have a shot.

How about in slams?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

See Rafa vs. Tits semifinal preview from tennis.com

According to it, so far Rafa has 39 losses on clay. Of that 13 were to one handed backhanders and 26 were to two-handed backhanders.
@mrzz claimed that Rafa lost to one handers more often than to two handers. That does not tally with this (unless he is perhaps talking about the losses in all court types; even then I doubt it).

 

[Federberg]

Agreed that 2 x Bo3 do not equal a Bo5. But I'm not sure what the tournament was supposed to do about the schedule when they got a rain-out yesterday. In any case, you should blame the tournament for the state of the courts, it sounds like. Roger was complaining about it during the match, and he said a slip led to a leg injury. That said, I still actually agree with Front (yeah, I know) that Roger mostly figured he's done what he wanted to and had nothing to gain by hanging around in Rome.

To be clear I meant Roger’s scheduling stupidity. Bothering with clay in the first place

 

[Front242]

He will not talk about it, as usual. Expect him to return in a few hours, because Djokovic didn't lose today. If Djokovic had lost, he would have disappeared from the boards until RG.

I don't GAF. Del Potro allowed him to win. Djokovic should retire letting veterans like Del Potro who hasn't played in ages get to double match point and then throwing him the win. :cuckoo:

 

[don_fabio]

Nadal should get his revenge today. Rome court being slower than Madrid should favour him towards the win.

I am surprised by that Novak-Del Potro match. 3 hours of battle, it ended up around 1 a.m. I mean, not like it's a grand slam match to go that late. So Novak was furious at some moments during the match? I guess that's a good thing, shows how much it means to him and looks like he really wants that final against Nadal to happen.