International Premier Tennis League - 2014

[GameSetAndMath]

Just pitching a tent for the circus

The circus is coming to the grounds nearby you during the period from 28th Nov. to 13th Dec.
It features Rafa, Novak, Murray, Tsonga, Berdych, Monfils, Gasquet, Hewitt and Kyrgios from ATP
and Serena, Maria, Eugene, Ana Ivanovic, Caroline Wozniacki, Sania Mirza and Daniela
Hantuchova from the WTA (not to mention retired players such as Pete and Andre
and doubles players such as Nestor and Zimonjic). The top players such as Rafa are
reportedly being paid millions dollars per night to play just one set.

Form your allegiances now. Who will you root for - the Indian Aces, Manila Mavericks,
UAE Falcons or Singapore Lions, (how can we have a circus without lions)?

p.s. If interested, the mods can move circus related postings over here from the "Rankings" thread.

 

[Kieran]

If only it was nearby, I could bunk in and heckle...

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

this is not an atp tour event..this thread should be in general tennis news.

 

[Moxie]

this is not an atp tour event..this thread should be in general tennis news.

This is true. I'll leave it here for a bit, since the conversation started here, so folks have a chance to see it, and see that it'll be moved.

 

[Moxie]

how can we have a circus without lions?

...or a bunch of clowns? (Sorry, I couldn't resist that. I'm against the top players doing this in the off-season. It seems foolish, indeed.)

 

[GameSetAndMath]

this is not an atp tour event..this thread should be in general tennis news.

So are Grand Slams. :laydownlaughing

 

[GameSetAndMath]

how can we have a circus without lions?

...or a bunch of clowns? (Sorry, I couldn't resist that. I'm against the top players doing this in the off-season. It seems foolish, indeed.)

Would Monfils be the chief clown or would it be Rafa/Novak?

 

[Moxie]

how can we have a circus without lions?

...or a bunch of clowns? (Sorry, I couldn't resist that. I'm against the top players doing this in the off-season. It seems foolish, indeed.)

Would Monfils be the chief clown or would it be Rafa/Novak?

Rafa and Novak. And Serena. In this case, Monfils wouldn't even qualify as a clown, just an opportunist. They won't even let him drive the clown car. He'll just be eating cotton candy and picking up the pay-check.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

From what I am reading from various places, it looks like this Mahesh Bhupathi who
is promoting this IPTL is a shady character, atleast when it comes to money matters.
In the article cited in the OP, you can already see that many people are complaining
that there is no sound business plan here.

It looks like he is done with playing doubles and trying to figure out other ways
of making money now and this IPTL scam is one such project.

Folks might recall that more than an year ago, he went Andy Murray and
told him that he wants to represent Andy and Andy is not being branded properly
and he can make Andy very rich by promoting Andy heavily through his company
called Globosports. Andy also bought into it (at least temporarily) as Mahesh
was sitting in Andy's box in 2013 Wimbledon as a guest of Andy. I don't really
know what happened of this deal and whether he still represents Andy.

 

[NADAL2005RG]

With a salary of $1million per match, Nadal is basically stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. When I say poor I mean the 'dalits' (untouchable people) that attend Nadal's Indian school.
I like this IPTL.
I like it a lot :clap

 

[NADAL2005RG]

Easy for them to say they're giving all that money to charity. In reality I very much doubt they are. Maybe 10% at most. They're greedy b******s. For the record I wouldn't give it all to charity either because most charities out there these days are a disgrace and the money goes to simply paying the CEO's 6 figure salary and the wages of the staff. A mere 10% of most donated charities out there go to the actual charity.

In this specific case, Nadal and his mother/sister run their own school in India, so the Nadal family controls the money and what it is used for

Same deal as Agassi in Nevada.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

With a salary of $1million per match, Nadal is basically stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. When I say poor I mean the 'dalits' (untouchable people) that attend Nadal's Indian school.
I like this IPTL.
I like it a lot :clap

Nadal2005RG, your Nadal worship knows no bounds. I thought you would at least
limit it to Nadal being the greatest tennis player that ever walked on earth. Now,
you are making Nadal look like Gandhi or Mother Teresa or someone like that.

Now, I want you to back it up. Can you provide evidence that Nadal is donating
ALL of his IPTL earnings to this Indian school that you are citing or for that matter
to any charity whatsoever. I highly doubt that.

At best, he would donate a small portion of his earnings to this Indian school. You
are making it sound as though Nadal is donating everything to this school.

While I do appreciate, Nadal's and other tennis players charity, I think most people
know that what they give to charity is a miniscule compared to what they earn
for themselves.

 

[Kieran]

^^ Plus, they all have their own foundations, but what's that really to us, who are tennis fans and may have our own charitable contributions to make? Each of their foundations is as valid and worthy as the others, but we're in the business of slams!*


* watching them, that is...

 

[Front242]

Easy for them to say they're giving all that money to charity. In reality I very much doubt they are. Maybe 10% at most. They're greedy b******s. For the record I wouldn't give it all to charity either because most charities out there these days are a disgrace and the money goes to simply paying the CEO's 6 figure salary and the wages of the staff. A mere 10% of most donated charities out there go to the actual charity.

In this specific case, Nadal and his mother/sister run their own school in India, so the Nadal family controls the money and what it is used for

Same deal as Agassi in Nevada.

As I said, easy to say but I very much doubt more than 10% goes there. He clearly employs someone to manage it for him as he doesn't sit at the desk there does he? No, he plays tennis year round. And someone, probably quite a few people actually, has/have to be paid to manage it.

 

[Moxie]

^ You're a bit cynical about charities, Front, and how little actually goes to benefitting the target groups. I suspect you're just throwing out statistics without looking anything up. The school is managed in conjunction with the Vicente Ferrer Foundation, long-established in India. Naturally, all the active tennis players have someone to run their foundations.

@Nadal2005RG: just to be accurate, the school benefits children of various castes. They're all underprivileged, in one of the poorest parts of India.

 

[Front242]

^ You're a bit cynical about charities, Front, and how little actually goes to benefitting the target groups. I suspect you're just throwing out statistics without looking anything up. The school is managed in conjunction with the Vicente Ferrer Foundation, long-established in India. Naturally, all the active tennis players have someone to run their foundations.

@Nadal2005RG: just to be accurate, the school benefits children of various castes. They're all underprivileged, in one of the poorest parts of India.

Nope, not one bit cynical. It's the truth. That took less than 30 seconds to find those 2 below and there are an absolute ton of charities out there who simply pay their CEO and staff mostly and around 10% to the actual people in need. Concern are another complete joke.

http://cruiser.mototribe.com/discuss/charities-waste-your-donated-money
http://news.msn.com/us/little-money-actually-goes-to-causes-charity-investigation

 

[brokenshoelace]

^^ I'm curious as to how that seems ground for assumption vis-a-vis Rafael Nadal.

 

[Front242]

^^ I'm curious as to how that seems ground for assumption vis-a-vis Rafael Nadal.

I didn't say it was but simply countering NADAL2005RG's claim that ALL of the money from IPTL will go to charity 'cos it clearly won't. It's incredibly naive to assume it will.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There are two different issues here and folks are mixing them up.

1. Is Rafa giving all of his IPTL earnings to charist as Nadal2005RG claims?

2. Assuming Rafa gives $1 to charity, how many cents of it goes to the needy
and how much is spent in overhead?

As per 1, I would tend to think it would be a small portion, say 10% or less of
his earnings.

As per 2, some overhead is unavoidable. However, there are bogus charities
which simply make money out of human kindness. I believe there is some sort
of website from where you can check out whether a charity is real or bogus
and if real, how much they spend in overhead out of every dollar they receive.

 

[Moxie]

^^ I'm curious as to how that seems ground for assumption vis-a-vis Rafael Nadal.

I didn't say it was but simply countering NADAL2005RG's claim that ALL of the money from IPTL will go to charity 'cos it clearly won't. It's incredibly naive to assume it will.

Well, we do know that Nadal2005RG is a fanboy. You don't really have to refute him, since hyperbole is his default mode, and exact truths don't seem to fuss him. Don't fall in the same trap. Your examples are one blog, and MSN on American charities. They have noting to do with Nadal. I actually have a friend who was involved with an NGO orphanage charity in that same part of India. They work their asses off for the charity, and barely made subsistence wage, all of them. I also did some work with the Salvation Army after 9/ll in NYC. It's amazing how they mobilize volunteers. I saw a huge amount of donation going straight to the effort.

We've gone a bit off-topic with this. I don't know that anyone but Nadal2005RG claims that the players who have signed up for this rather silly tennis league/exhibition are doing it for their charities or if for the pocketbook. Bottom line, I still don't see who it serves, or why it's a good thing, either for the players, or tennis.