Indian Wells, BNP Paribas Open, Masters 1000

[kskate2]

No agenda in my opinion Federer clearly, choked in those matches, djokovic us open matches come on man, that as big as choke as you can get.

All the players have lost some matches they should have won. At the same time, the top players have won some they should have lost. As Mox said what's your point? If you really want to go there, Nadal has choked away some too. So be careful at throwing rocks because you might get some boulders thrown back at you.

 

[Andy22]

Oh, that's an agenda. Dude, you have them catalogued.

See you are cherry picking, I'm just point out facts, of there Federer lost matches he should have won, if disagree with some the matches OK cool, but to say that all of them was not choke is just wrong. Also if read that I said it , I said it seems that way, not that Federer was, its that he might be.

 

[Andy22]

All the players have lost some matches they should have won. At the same time, the top players have won some they should have lost. As Mox said what's your point? If you really want to go there, Nadal has choked away some too. So be careful at throwing rocks because you might get some boulders thrown back at you.

OK point taken

 

[DarthFed]

Relax a bit and think this way: before this final Fed had 97 titles including almost 30 M1000 titles (forgot exact number), Delpo had none. Fed has won all his 2018 matches to date, including those that do not count, like all at Hopman Cup, even the mixed doubles! Even all his exhibition toy games! You may lough at the latter but Bill Gates is boasting that although he does not have as many GS as his partner, he has in impeccable record 2:0 on his side.
Let's ignore Bill here but say: "Oh, come on Roger! Why don't you let the younger guys to enjoy some wins too!". BTW, this is exactly what Zverev shot at Fed across the net during their mixed doubles at Hopmann cup. Sadly, Fed didn;t listen and won. Eventually Fed did recall and listen yesterday: 2.5 months later agains Delpo. Because he saw Delpo upset & angry after Delpo lost the second. So his hand slipped while serving for the match at 40-15! Finally, Fed has shown some human-ship towards his opponent!

I really hope you're kidding about Federer softening up and letting DP win. One of the most admirable things about Roger is that he still wants to win so bad and still feels that he should win. Roger is greedy and I think his loving wife might be even better. She's there to remind him that $120,000,001 is more than $120,000,000. Fed has to play as though his children are starving.

 

[DarthFed]

Is Federer a choker? It seems that way with all the matches he should have won but lost like below, 1. Safin AO 05. 2. Nadal RG 07. 3. Nadal Wimbledon 08. 4. Nadal AO 09. 5. Djokovic USO 10. 6. Nadal RG 11. 7. Djokovic USO 11. 8. Murray AO13. 9. Djokovic Wimbledon 14. 10. Djokovic USO 15. 11. Raonic Wimbledon 16. 12. Potro IW 18.

Funny list because most of those weren't chokes at all.

Also, as Pete Sampras once said, all players choke. Especially true when you've been around for awhile. Rafa, Djoker and the others have all had some chokes too.

 

[Horsa]

It is a term of endearment (at least in my case). Brazilians usually call Argentinians "hermanos" (brothers, for the ones who are not familiar with Spanish), even if most times sarcastically. But some use it in a good way, which was my case.

Thank you very much for your explanation. I had some idea. We do that for very good friends or call them Sister if they're female. If they're older than us & they're very good friends we call them Auntie or Uncle depending on they're gender. I knew you meant it well especially with the rest of your message being positive.

 

[Andy22]

Funny list because most of those weren't chokes at all.

Also, as Pete Sampras once said, all players choke. Especially true when you've been around for awhile. Rafa, Djoker and the others have all had some chokes too.

Yes djokovic, Nadal had, chokes too I like the fact you did not say all, so some was big chokes while the others was Federer chokeing just a little bit. The matches he had match points, was a clear choke jops, the raonic match Federer was up 2 sets to one, debatel nadal WC 08 missed easy shots in the 5th set, Djokovic USO had so many break points. Its all debate but least 70% of that list is good.

 

[mrzz]

Not really,JMDP is a non-factor on clay where Nadal will collect most of his titles

I seem to remember two RG semi-final runs and some classic matches against Nadal himself on the surface, so non-factor is a bit too much.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

I seem to remember two RG semi-final runs and some classic matches against Nadal himself on the surface, so non-factor is a bit too much.

Yeah back in 2009 and 2012 when he had a proper BH.But since his return from surgery he doesn't do much there.

Also what classic matches ? He lost in straight sets in 2007 and the DC match was only 4 sets.

 

[mrzz]

Also what classic matches ? He lost in straight sets in 2007 and the DC match was only 4 sets.

Is was the DC the only thing I had in mind. Yes, it was 4 sets, but ask any Nadal fan, that match hanged in the balance for a long time. del Po won the first 6x1, started the second with a break, was leading 40-0 on his serve on the following game and blinked. Nadal mounted one of his impossible come backs from there. Afterwards, in the fourth, del Potro mounted a comeback of his own and when he was ready to take that set he blinked again. it was a long gruelling match, I can assure you it was a classic.

 

[Federberg]

Yeah back in 2009 and 2012 when he had a proper BH.But since his return from surgery he doesn't do much there.

Also what classic matches ? He lost in straight sets in 2007 and the DC match was only 4 sets.

Are you saying that you watched the match yesterday and didn't find his BH to be "proper"? Looked pretty good to me

 

[Ricardo]

Federer, at 36, isn't going to be on-form every day. He wasn't yesterday, either. And by many accounts, JMDP was on-form today. Aren't you discounting delPo's win?

Well it’s generally agreed that,
Delpo was on form, best he’s been in a while.
Federer played below himself the last two matches.
He choked, after being match points up.

No discounting, just facts. What gave you that idea?

Well if the above sounds like I stated one is superior to the other, hmmm, clearly he is.

 

[DarthFed]

Yes djokovic, Nadal had, chokes too I like the fact you did not say all, so some was big chokes while the others was Federer chokeing just a little bit. The matches he had match points, was a clear choke jops, the raonic match Federer was up 2 sets to one, debatel nadal WC 08 missed easy shots in the 5th set, Djokovic USO had so many break points. Its all debate but least 70% of that list is good.

You have to separate out ones where he "choked/gagged" away a set vs the end of the match. If you're talking about the former I guarantee you it's a very long list for any notable player in history. But the latter is the "real choking" and to be honest Fed has probably done it a lot more than most. It's a crazy amount of matches he has lost from match points up. It tells us a couple things; he does feel the pressure closing out the big, close matches and it also tells us that he's difficult to beat convincingly. A lot of his wins are straightforward and a lot of his losses are nailbiters. So there are a couple ways to look at it but I don't think you can sugarcoat it too much, he's flat out choked some crazy matches away like yesterday. Hasn't kept him from being GOAT though and that tells us something.

 

[Ricardo]

That is mean and gloaty and he didn't choke away those matches. Lost them fair and square. What a childish thing to call him a choker, given his record. What's your agenda?

Actually it’s hard to dispute it given that record, I don’t think Rafa or Djoker lose anywhere near it in number of matches where they were match point up. Happens for a reason, and you know it’s nothing to do with ‘losing fair and square’. What’s your agenda?

 

[Ricardo]

You have to separate out ones where he "choked/gagged" away a set vs the end of the match. If you're talking about the former I guarantee you it's a very long list for any notable player in history. But the latter is the "real choking" and to be honest Fed has probably done it a lot more than most. It's a crazy amount of matches he has lost from match points up. It tells us a couple things; he does feel the pressure closing out the big, close matches and it also tells us that he's difficult to beat convincingly. A lot of his wins are straightforward and a lot of his losses are nailbiters. So there are a couple ways to look at it but I don't think you can sugarcoat it too much, he's flat out choked some crazy matches away like yesterday. Hasn't kept him from being GOAT though and that tells us something.

Well this something is what moxie doesn’t want to hear.....obviously it lends to the what if ‘he closes out matches like Rafa’, wouldn’t his lead in record be even bigger? And a clear indication of how phenomenally good he is? Shhhhh, she will be so worried that she will have to make up things even more backhandedly to trash the choker....

 

[Ricardo]

Oh, that's an agenda. Dude, you have them catalogued.

So in your opinion, he didn’t choke those matches true? Was just that opponents all upped their game at match points against Fed (but not others), oh just play your little games hehe

 

[Federberg]

If by choking we mean that Roger lost match points due to his unforced errors then yesterday was the very definition of a choke. If it's taken away from you despite your being on match point that's a slightly different beast. Out of interest, a question to everyone, did Rafa choke in the AO final last year? I don't think he did, which would fit in with the narrow definition of choke I presented above..

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Is was the DC the only thing I had in mind. Yes, it was 4 sets, but ask any Nadal fan, that match hanged in the balance for a long time. del Po won the first 6x1, started the second with a break, was leading 40-0 on his serve on the following game and blinked. Nadal mounted one of his impossible come backs from there. Afterwards, in the fourth, del Potro mounted a comeback of his own and when he was ready to take that set he blinked again. it was a long gruelling match, I can assure you it was a classic.

I haven't seen that match so can't comment on it and with Nadals record on clay I just assumed it was a routine 4-setter tbh.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Are you saying that you watched the match yesterday and didn't find his BH to be "proper"? Looked pretty good to me

This week was his best display on the BH wing after his return from surgery he was hitting many slice BHs though and especially against Nadal and his topspin it will be impossible to survive with tbf.

Also he expressed some doubts over his participation on clay-
http://www.sportinastorm.com/tennis/del-potro-doubtful-for-french-open/x9y509z2408608

 

[Federberg]

This week was his best display on the BH wing after his return from surgery he was hitting many slice BHs though and especially against Nadal and his topspin it will be impossible to survive with tbf.

Also he expressed some doubts over his participation on clay-
http://www.sportinastorm.com/tennis/del-potro-doubtful-for-french-open/x9y509z2408608

the conventional wisdom is that clay is a more forgiving surface for the body. Isn't it ironic that both Delpo and Roger are avoiding clay on the grounds of protecting their bodies?