Hard court king Djokovic or federer?

[DarthFed]

Some people might call that unbalanced, but that wouldn't be anyone who doesn't count clay, I guess. (Note the double-negative with 'wouldn't'.) As to the rest, it's your opinion, and it suits your agenda. The notion of "at his best" is a whole thing, but Nadal, "at his best" has not just often been better than Djokovic, but he's been that longer. And "at his best," he's been better than Roger, too. And each, at his best, has been better, at times than the others. Taking the longer view, Nadal is still better than Djokovic.

There is nothing unbalanced about dominating 3 majors whereas Nadal has just dominated 1. 11 of 17 at one is unbalanced.

Nadal is definitely greater than Djoker and I expect it to stay that way but Djokovic is simply a far better player off clay than Nadal and generally has a higher ceiling.

 

[Mastoor]

The most successful tennis coach said that we have playing at the same time the best ever on clay Nadal, the best ever on grass Federer and the best ever on hard courts Djokovic. I have a feeling he'd agree with me about the best overall among the three.

 

[Moxie]

The most successful tennis coach said that we have playing at the same time the best ever on clay Nadal, the best ever on grass Federer and the best ever on hard courts Djokovic. I have a feeling he'd agree with me about the best overall among the three.

That was definitely true 2 years ago. But Djokovic has something to prove again, wouldn't you say? PS: Who is the most successful tennis coach that declared this?

 

[Mastoor]

That was definitely true 2 years ago. But Djokovic has something to prove again, wouldn't you say? PS: Who is the most successful tennis coach that declared this?

Toni

 

[Moxie]

Toni

And when did he say it? A quote would be nice. I'm guessing it was from 2 years ago.

 

[Front242]

The most successful tennis coach said that we have playing at the same time the best ever on clay Nadal, the best ever on grass Federer and the best ever on hard courts Djokovic. I have a feeling he'd agree with me about the best overall among the three.

This same amazing coach makes some gem comments like it's unfair to play the WTF on indoor hard court (during indoor season of all things lol) and that it should be on clay. He might be a good coach but he's not too clever when it comes to comments like this, especially when Federer has 3 more US Opens (5 ! consecutive) than Djokovic and the same number of Australian Opens. Sorry, but another FAIL from Toni.

 

[monfed]

A lot depends on the younger generation as hopeless as that seems currently. Also if Stan or Murray or any of the older guys who have won 1 or two slams can snag some of these HC slams then that will have an effect. Nadull is always a threat with his cakedraws. Perhaps Fed can squeeze out another HC slam, preferably USO this year.

I can't see faker losing to nobodies like 2016-2018 from now on anymore. So it's gonna need something special from a more powerful player like Cilic or DP what have you or the other big shots playing one of their best matches like RG 11 SF. USO 18 may still be a tad too early but I think he'll be back tearing up the HCs again from 2019.

 

[britbox]

The most successful tennis coach said that we have playing at the same time the best ever on clay Nadal, the best ever on grass Federer and the best ever on hard courts Djokovic. I have a feeling he'd agree with me about the best overall among the three.

I'd have Tony Roche above Toni Nadal as the most successful tennis coach.

 

[Moxie]

I'd have Tony Roche above Toni Nadal as the most successful tennis coach.

I'll be interested to see how you assess his tally as a coach. He sat in Roger's box a few times, and was a part-timer, but that likely buffs up the numbers, doesn't it?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I'll be interested to see how you assess his tally as a coach. He sat in Roger's box a few times, and was a part-timer, but that likely buffs up the numbers, doesn't it?

He coached more than one player to start with. If you want to be recognized as a great coach, you should be able to prove that being bestowed with a good player is not the only reason behind your success.

 

[DarthFed]

The most successful tennis coach said that we have playing at the same time the best ever on clay Nadal, the best ever on grass Federer and the best ever on hard courts Djokovic. I have a feeling he'd agree with me about the best overall among the three.

Roger is best HC and Grass player ever. Toni didn't want to say it...

 

[DarthFed]

I'll be interested to see how you assess his tally as a coach. He sat in Roger's box a few times, and was a part-timer, but that likely buffs up the numbers, doesn't it?

The fact that Rafa is having this annoying as hell resurgence under Moya may cheapen Toni's credentials just a bit. He still made the decision to encourage Nadal to play lefty and hit his ugly topspin cyclones so he will always deserve credit for that. But I'd be glad to see the "breaker of Flavia's heart" get out of Nad's box.

 

[britbox]

I'll be interested to see how you assess his tally as a coach. He sat in Roger's box a few times, and was a part-timer, but that likely buffs up the numbers, doesn't it?

He was Federer's coach for 6 major wins. I'd measure his impact a lot more than "sitting in Roger's box a few times". Federer said he fixed his headspace.

Add 7 majors with Lendl, who speaks very highly of him (and Ivan doesn't engage in false flattery), 2 with Pat Rafter and then his work with a bunch of other players who talk highly of his impact... If Toni Nadal ever has success with more than one player I might consider him to be in the same league.

 

[Moxie]

He was Federer's coach for 6 major wins. I'd measure his impact a lot more than "sitting in Roger's box a few times". Federer said he fixed his headspace.

Add 7 majors with Lendl, who speaks very highly of him (and Ivan doesn't engage in false flattery), 2 with Pat Rafter and then his work with a bunch of other players who talk highly of his impact... If Toni Nadal ever has success with more than one player I might consider him to be in the same league.

I wouldn't slag Roche at all, so you don't have to convince me. He's rather the model for ex-player Yoda in your camp, at least with Roger. I just remember that he was part-time with Roger, but you follow Federer more than I do, so you'd know. It's impressive having coached so many multi-slam winners. As to Toni Nadal, I agree that he has to groom or coach another one. Otherwise you could say the meteor landed in his lap and all he had to do was help mold him well. One thing about him, though...I don't think there is another coach that has taken a player from formative years through championship years, but it's a fine-point.

 

[Mastoor]

Roger is best HC and Grass player ever. Toni didn't want to say it...

Look, Novak is the best hardcourt, grass and overall player in my book and you will realise it some day.

 

[DarthFed]

Look, Novak is the best hardcourt, grass and overall player in my book and you will realise it some day.

Someone didn't major in math...

 

[Mastoor]

Someone didn't major in math...

I went to elite maths school fyi and my maths knowledge and also knowledge of logic is far beyond counting to 20 which seems the only skill of most Fed's fans. But for start, does Novak have both Australian Open and US Open tournament directors as business partners as opposed to Fed? No wonder Fed is the only male player ever who gets to win in Melbourne air-conditioned while his rivals play outdoors on 70 degrees Celsius.

 

[DarthFed]

I went to elite maths school fyi and my maths knowledge and also knowledge of logic is far beyond counting to 20 which seems the only skill of most Fed's fans. But for start, does Novak have both Australian Open and US Open tournament directors as business partners as opposed to Fed? No wonder Fed is the only male player ever who gets to win in Melbourne air-conditioned while his rivals play outdoors on 70 degrees Celsius.

And at your elite math school did they teach you to count each of Novak's slams as 2? Or maybe Roger's only count as half? I'd ask for a refund.

If AO and USO directors loved Fed so much I'd say both tournaments would have been fast his whole career. I do wonder if Wimbledon's director is best friends with Novak and Rafa for obvious reasons...

 

[Ricardo]

Look, Novak is the best hardcourt, grass and overall player in my book and you will realise it some day.

In your ‘book of objectivity’?

Does the title of your book say ‘I don’t care about facts or whatever, Nole is the best thing that ever walked the earth’?

 

[Andy22]

Novak Djokovic got be on par with federer now on hard courts or even better, dominance that's for sure never lost a final of Australia open. Darthfed and the other fedhead was dead wrong about this topic djokovic will most likely end up with more slams on hard court than federer.