Greatest Upset in Recent History

Which is the bigger upset?

  • Nadal d. Federer Wimbledon 2008

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  • DelPotro d. Federer USO 2009

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  • Wawrinka d. Djokovic AO 2014

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Federberg

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Maybe Moxie, maybe. But some of the stuff Rafa has done is of a completely different order. Frankly most of this stuff you're accusing Roger of doing is relatively recent. This has not been his style throughout his career which makes me question his supposed motive, can't really say the same with Rafa
 

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2005 SF of the AO isn't recent. 2008 mono-gate isn't recent. I'd like to know what Rafa has done that is of such a different order, in your opinion. Nadal is a pretty well-behaved guy, too. In MY opinion, it's the difference of what some fans on the internet have made a big deal out of. But I'd be interested to hear how you see it, being a fair guy.
 

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You've made reference to mono-gate a few times. Along with the post-match whingeing about his injury against Berdych that was a low point. But how many times have we heard about Rafa injuries after losses. At a point in Rafa's career, it seemed like we should believe that the only way he could lose was if he had an injury, or at least his camp would put out excuses to that effect. This happened too many times to document, so if you want to bring up mono-gate as you call it, then fair enough, but only if you acknowledge that Rafa (or his camp) was far worse in this regard. And please let's not start talking about how post-match Rafa would give credit to the victor. That graciousness is effectively invalidated once it's put about that Rafa was in fact injured.

As for judicious timeouts, Rafa has also done this far more than Roger, surely you must acknowledge that. If you're bringing up these lapses by Roger, I hope you're doing it in the context of "Roger does it too", not saying Roger does it and Rafa doesn't. I mean one of the most eggregious examples was at Indian Wells against Roger. Surely you remember this? And I'm not even going to mention the time wasting and other antics. I'm not saying Roger is perfect, far from it, but Rafa has definitely been worse through out his career
 

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Maybe Moxie, maybe. But some of the stuff Rafa has done is of a completely different order. Frankly most of this stuff you're accusing Roger of doing is relatively recent. This has not been his style throughout his career which makes me question his supposed motive, can't really say the same with Rafa
Can you say besides to touch the nose, the hair behind the ears and pulling the pants (3 seconds doing all of that) what bad things Rafa has done worse than your beloved Federer?
 

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nobody said Fed is a saint, but his MTO is minimal compared to Rafa thus opinions are formed. MTO is different when you do it before your opponent serves for the match, surely you must admit that you tried to cloud the issue by saying Fed did it at end of set.....very backhanded actually, you should be better than this (are you?). It is all relative really and that's the crux of it, one has done it worse so it gets pointed out. No conspiracy, its all straight observation by all fans. you flatter yourself by saying some internet warriors can affect the reputation of an all time great, laughable to say the least.

Must be a reason that fellow players rate Fed's sportsmanship way higher than Rafa? i mean Fed has smashed racquet while Rafa hasn't, players don't really care if you look nice and behave well, priority (when they vote) is how fair they think you are.

"Sportsmanship is an aspiration or ethos that a sport or activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors."

First thing is fairness, doesn't matter if you never even uttered a bad word. Most important is you play fair.
 

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Can you say besides to touch the nose, the hair behind the ears and pulling the pants (3 seconds doing all of that) what bad things Rafa has done worse than your beloved Federer?

on court coaching (but not just Rafa) isn't fair, neither is time wasting which does put opponent off. Players in general, are conditioned and expected to play at set pace so when you keep making them wait (especially by taking over legal time limit) it is a distraction.
 

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on court coaching (but not just Rafa) isn't fair, neither is time wasting which does put opponent off. Players in general, are conditioned and expected to play at set pace so when you keep making them wait (especially by taking over legal time limit) it is a distraction.

You have said correctly, on court coaching (a couple of words) but he is not the only one. Federer's fans always are looking to find something bad to players that beat him and more to Rafa who has beaten him many times when he (Fed) was on his best and they can't forgive him. I just can say that nothing that he has done on court had nothing to do with Roger' losses but just that he knows how to play against him, fairly and well, that's all
 

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You have said correctly, on court coaching (a couple of words) but he is not the only one. Federer's fans always are looking to find something bad to players that beat him and more to Rafa who has beaten him many times when he (Fed) was on his best and they can't forgive him. I just can say that nothing that he has done on court had nothing to do with Roger' losses but just that he knows how to play against him, fairly and well, that's all

Rafa fans keep talking about the issue of on court coaching and other things that Rafa has done as complaints or excuses that Federer fans make because Roger lost many times to Rafa. It simply isn't the case, and frankly it's a deflection. Personally I don't like it, and I would have objections no matter what the head to head is/was. That's a red herring
 

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You have said correctly, on court coaching (a couple of words) but he is not the only one. Federer's fans always are looking to find something bad to players that beat him and more to Rafa who has beaten him many times when he (Fed) was on his best and they can't forgive him. I just can say that nothing that he has done on court had nothing to do with Roger' losses but just that he knows how to play against him, fairly and well, that's all

he isn't the only one, since that is it good enough to justify that action? it's against rules and put it bluntly, it's cheating. It's not allowed for any player, Rafa is put on the spot because of his status. someone outside 100 might be guilty of the same thing, but how many of us get to see their matches? its not about who beat whom, i am not even a fan of anyone but to say such thing is low.