Early Wimbledon Talk

[Denis]

This stupid knee nonsense. By the same token you could say that if Novak got his head in order he would not have lost a single match in the past year.

 

[DarthFed]

Understood that the change in surface benefitted players like Nadal and Djokovic and Murray. However, you can't just translate that to more wins for Fed. I made the point above that you don't know how these top players would have adapted, if that was the hand they were dealt, given how much they adapted to the challenge of Roger, and then Nadal. But rather than say randomly that Roger would have won more at Wimbledon, let's pick that apart:

2008: I know you think that Nadal should never ever have beaten Roger on grass, anyway, but you also claim he was still suffering the effects of his mono, and Rafa was well in his head, so that might not have changed, anyway.

2010: Roger lost QFs in RG and QFs at Wimbledon. Would he have done better v. Berdych with a different surface, and still made it 2 more rounds? That's surely debatable.

2011: You still have to talk him past Tsonga and Djokovic, then Nadal.

2013: He had a crap year.

2014: He played a good final but Djokovic was very much trending, so that still a 50/50, even on different grass. (And he was 32.)

2015: He played a stellar SF v. Murray, then a limp final v. Djokovic. No different grass was winning him that match, and given Djokovic that year.

2016: (Didn't play.)

So I don't see how you really get him more Wimbledon's than he won anyway. I know you'd like to claw back 2008, but he had mono. The only other reasonably argued one is 2014. The rest are not wholly down to surface changes.

Lol this is laughable stuff. Truly. Here's the thing, the change helped the games of Novak and Rafa and it hurt Roger's game. Simple as that. I don't think for a second that Fed would even have played 5 finals vs Rafa and Nole. Those guys struggle the first week when the grass is still slick. If it was slick the full two weeks they'd have made less finals and if they did get to Roger they'd be pretty helpless against him.

The point of your post is basically surface doesn't matter at all and those matches would've played out the exact same way. I think you know that's wrong in a big way.

 

[DarthFed]

Good Grief, speaking of Loads..are you guys listening to yourselves..its like you are a cult.. Listen loud and clear, Roger Federer is a human being, not a demiGod..he has limits..he ain't the perfect tennis player..he wouldn't have never won RG if Rafa wasn't injured. He won AO because of a sped up surface. He played weakazz competition before Rafa came into prominence..Get over yourselves..Show some class, Rafa may not be the GOAT based on Gs titles but he has dominated your beloved like no other. He reduced your beloved to tears when Federer was in his absolute prime. Move on and lets enjoy both of these players with the few years they have left. Quit being killjoys..show some class..Keli always is the pure epitome of tennis class just as Roger is..i seriously doubt he would want his fans to carry on as much as you all do with this constant trying to discredit Nadal. Damn.

And Nadal wouldn't have won a single Wimbledon if they didn't change that surface. They also changed AO years ago from Rebound Ace which would've been terrible for Rafa's game. USO has slowed down over the years too. It really can't be debated that the surfaces have been slowed. It wasn't done to benefit your beloved but he has been like a pig in shit because of it. Without the changes he might have just been a dirtballer.

 

[Carol]

Really bad condition, eh? Hilarious really when you count how many slams he won with this "really bad knee". Rather than trying to convince me with that nonsense, you should try and convince yourself it's nonsense 'cos it clearly is. If he loses in the first week this year, what will the excuse be this time? His knee suddenly went to crap out of nowhere I guess cos it's the only way you can excuse him losing after winning everything in sight in clay season.

Also, for the record, Roger had knee surgery which Nadal has never had. Big difference as to why he said it was a mistake playing last year which was too soon after his surgery. Nadal just lost for all the reasons you choose to ignore since 2012 and you're the only sore loser Nadal fan blaming losses on his knees here and making yourself look stupid.

More hilarious is to read what Federer said about how he got his knee injury giving a bath to his kids....LOL
And if you have a minimum knowledge of medicine and different kind of injuries you should know that sometimes they need a surgery and sometimes not .
PS. I'd like to know what would be your excuse if Federer would lose this year....age? mono? knee? he was not playing for long time? ptttffff.
And please, leave the insults to one side or do it to yourself because you look as the old saying goes "the wounded animal is getting more rabid and dangerous "

 

[Carol]

This stupid knee nonsense. By the same token you could say that if Novak got his head in order he would not have lost a single match in the past year.

Then we also could say the "stupid head" nonsense

 

[Carol]

And Nadal wouldn't have won a single Wimbledon if they didn't change that surface. They also changed AO years ago from Rebound Ace which would've been terrible for Rafa's game. USO has slowed down over the years too. It really can't be debated that the surfaces have been slowed. It wasn't done to benefit your beloved but he has been like a pig in shit because of it. Without the changes he might have just been a dirtballer.

Who cares about the faster or slower surfaces, are going to tell me now that is a better player who plays better in one surface or in the other one? don't make me laugh, the best player is the one who wins it doesn't matter the surface, otherwise we also could blame the shoes, the technology of the rackets, the balls etc etc etc

 

[DarthFed]

^ Yes, I get it guys, surface doesn't matter at all. It's been pure bad luck that Rafa hasn't won 10 at AO, Wimbledon, and USO.

 

[Carol]

^ Yes, I get it guys, surface doesn't matter at all. It's been pure bad luck that Rafa hasn't won 10 at AO, Wimbledon, and USO.

Clearly the only think it matters to you is that Federer has to win everything and Nadal nothing :cuckoo:

 

[Denis]

Then we also could say the "stupid head" nonsense

That's my point you muppet.

 

[Carol]

That's my point you muppet.

Look who is talking , ridiculous!

 

[Carol]

Battle for the #1

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/murray-nadal-no-1-emirates-atp-rankings-grass-2017

 

[Front242]

More hilarious is to read what Federer said about how he got his knee injury giving a bath to his kids....LOL
And if you have a minimum knowledge of medicine and different kind of injuries you should know that sometimes they need a surgery and sometimes not .
PS. I'd like to know what would be your excuse if Federer would lose this year....age? mono? knee? he was not playing for long time? ptttffff.
And please, leave the insults to one side or do it to yourself because you look as the old saying goes "the wounded animal is getting more rabid and dangerous "

Unlike you, Carol, I don't make bs excuses. If he loses, it's just that. He lost. Deal with it and cut out the imaginary injury bs.

Also, you can easily pop something doing non sport related stuff. I twisted my back and neck years ago reaching for a towel while in the shower. After years of wear and tear on his knees, they could pop doing something routine no problem. The fact that you laugh at this shows total ignorance at how muscles and joints work.

 

[Carol]

Unlike you, Carol, I don't make bs excuses. If he loses, it's just that. He lost. Deal with it and cut out the imaginary injury bs.

Also, you can easily pop something doing non sport related stuff. I twisted my back and neck years ago reaching for a towel while in the shower. After years of wear and tear on his knees, they could pop doing something routine no problem. The fact that you laugh at this shows total ignorance at how muscles and joints work.

Not mr. not, I don't make excuses unlesss there is a good reason to make it. And you can do many weights as you want but I see that you don't know too much about sports and injuries. I'm not interested to tell you about my family and friends sports history but I've learn a lot around them. And of course you are the one showing a total ignorance trying to deny the Nadal's tendinitis he has had for years

 

[Front242]

Not mr. not, I don't make excuses unlesss there is a good reason to make it. And you can do many weights as you want but I see that you don't know too much about sports and injuries. I'm not interesting to tell you about my family and friends sports history but I've learn a lot around them

Sure you don't. Except for trying to blame 5 years of poor grass results on knees so bad they won the guy a career best hard court year in 2013 and 5 slams in the last 5 years. Go back to your imaginary world full of injured sports people who aren't actually injured at all 'cos frankly we're all bored to tears of this horsesh1t here. And Nadal hasn't had tendinitis for years now just to be clear.

 

[Carol]

Sure you don't. Except for trying to blame 5 years of poor grass results on knees so bad they won the guy a career best hard court year in 2013 and 5 slams in the last 5 years. Go back to your imaginary world full of injured sports people who aren't actually injured at all 'cos frankly we're all bored to tears of this horsesh1t here. And Nadal hasn't had tendinitis for years now just to be clear.

My goodness I can't believe that I'm wasting my wonderful time with someone with such poor mentality and knowledge. If you are bored then you can't imagine how much bored some of us are reading your ridiculous opinions o_O

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

My goodness I can't believe that I'm wasting my wonderful time with someone with such poor mentality and knowledge. If you are bored then you can't imagine how much bored some of us are reading your ridiculous opinions o_O

Roger skipped almost 70% or something of last year due to something. He had a surgery too. What are you saying? Are you just saying he acquired the injury during the AO semi? And that he didn't admit it??

 

[DarthFed]

Nadal's knees haven't been an issue since at least 2012 but don't let a good story get in the way of facts.

 

[Carol]

Roger skipped almost 70% or something of last year due to something. He had a surgery too. What are you saying? Are you just saying he acquired the injury during the AO semi? And that he didn't admit it??

And n

Roger skipped almost 70% or something of last year due to something. He had a surgery too. What are you saying? Are you just saying he acquired the injury during the AO semi? And that he didn't admit it??

When I've said that? I know he had an injury/surgery and I said (read one of my previous posts) according to him playing in Wimbledon last year his knee got worse. I have not any idea why you are saying something about the AO semi

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

And n

When I've said that? I know he had an injury/surgery and I said (read one of my previous posts) according to him playing in Wimbledon last year his knee got worse. I have not any idea why you are saying something about the AO semi

Fanbases always have me thinking. Never mind.

But what were you saying about the bath incident?

 

[Carol]

Fanbases always have me thinking. Never mind.

But what were you saying about the bath incident?

It was my answer to Front after he said it was hilarious that Rafa won GS with a bad knees which is the reality and a fact but he doesn't want to believe. Some posters like to provoke and to say whatever they want to say but there is always an answer