Djokovic the CVAC Cyborg

[Front242]

What does CVAC stand for @Front242?

Probably his next son's name. It's his beloved toy he claimed he only used once which incidentally was 100% bs as he's using it for years and all this tournament.

"Djokovic, known as the most meticulous player on the tour, has used the pods here for several years with the hope of aiding recovery and preventing injury."

""CVAC Systems chief executive Allen Ruszkowski says the treatment seems to have many of the same effects on the body as intense exercise. He claims that the technology may be twice as effective at helping the body absorb oxygen as blood doping—a banned form of performance enhancement."

"Fittest" ('cos it's not real fitness, it's only artificial from a machine) guy on tour now, who went from being a cardio wreck end of 2010 to superman from 2011 to present all 'cos of a machine that should be banned. Oh and hey, gluten free diets help too, right. I've always been a fan of Djokovic but after reading up more on this the whole thing is a joke and they should ban it. Thing is they can't really because it's undetectable like Argon and Xenon gas so the bs will continue.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-players-get-an-oxygen-fix-1454023796

http://www.dropshotdispatch.com/201...ovics-controversial-training-method-examined/

Anyway, CVAC wins this one and Murray will continue his mighty record of losing in finals here. One guy has never lost a final here and the other looks set to keep losing his.

 

[britbox]

Ah ok. I remember the oxygen egg back in 2011.

Two things though:

1) I thought he said he hadn't used it since then. (the older article alluded to that also) , although the recent one claims he's used it this year.

2) I don't think it was ever banned?

 

[Front242]

Ah ok. I remember the oxygen egg back in 2011.

Two things though:

1) I thought he said he hadn't used it since then. (the older article alluded to that also) , although the recent one claims he's used it this year.

2) I don't think it was ever banned?

No, it was never banned but they were looking into it and nothing more has been heard since. He did indeed say he barely used it but has been using it all this tournament and for years that article says so frankly I won't believe a word he says anymore.

 

[Moxie]

It hasn't turned Bethany Mattek-Sands into a world beater.

 

[Front242]

She had one of her best performances in quite some time not long ago and much the same as steroids, different people react differently to the same technology, drugs, CVACs, you name it. Genetics have a lot to do with it.

 

[britbox]

Young American Starlet Taylor Fritz has tried these too...

 

[britbox]

She had one of her best performances in quite some time not long ago and much the same as steroids, different people react differently to the same technology, drugs, CVACs, you name it. Genetics have a lot to do with it.

True. For example, people reacted very differently to EPO. In cycling the UCI (governing body) said any haemocrit reading over 50 was classed as potentially dangerous and the cyclist would be banned for their own good. They bought that in after Bjarne Riis won the Tour de France with readings of 60+ (he was known as Mr 60%).

Now, people who advocate legalising doping with the line "Well they all might as well do it as it levels the playing field..." are wrong, because (using EPO as an example) one guy could have had a natural haemocrit reading of 38 and another a natural haemocrit reading of 47. If they can go both dope up to a level of 50, then the first guy is obviously getting a much bigger advantage from the doping than the second. It's actually equalizing natural talent.

Of course, EPO has since been discarded in favour blood transfusions but the principle is still the same.

 

[Moxie]

I used to object to the Egg particularly on the theory that it was only available to the rich players. However, that WSJ article says it was close at hand to the Oz tournament, and the price is certainly reasonable. If it's legal, it's legal. Front, I don't know why you've suddenly gotten so down on Djokovic using it. It's been 5+ years, and I know you to have a finely-tuned antenna to doping issues.

 

[Carol]

Then I hope Muzz uses that CVAC, it would be fair, he would have more resistance, to be more aggressive and better success of his shots
That remind me to the Miss pageant, the contestans have to go through some surgeries ( nose, chin, teeth, etc. to look much better )

 

[britbox]

If Taylor Fritz is trying it out, then I would imagine all of the top players will have experimented with it, particularly bearing in mind Novak's recent dominance.

Should they be banned? Maybe, but only if you can test against their use... otherwise there is no doubt in a ban.

Should they be used? If they aren't banned then it's hard to begrudge any of the top players using them. At the end of the day, if it's legal, it's legal.... and they aren't currently banned by WADA or the ITF.

 

[Moxie]

Should they be banned? Maybe, but only if you can test against their use... otherwise there is no doubt in a ban.

I don't exactly understand what you're saying here. Are you for it, or against it? It is blood-enriching, right? But seems safe, benign, and available to all. Like training at altitude, without the hard work. :whistle:

 

[britbox]

I don't exactly understand what you're saying here. Are you for it, or against it? It is blood-enriching, right? But seems safe, benign, and available to all. Like training at altitude, without the hard work. :whistle:

I would rather it was banned but as it isn't I don't expect players not to use it and won't castigate them for it.

and here is the point Like training at altitude, without the hard work

 

[Carol]

Wasn't Michael Jackson using something similar to keep longer his youth?

 

[britbox]

Wasn't Michael Jackson using something similar to keep longer his youth?

No, that was a chimpanzee and young children.

 

[Carol]

No, that was a chimpanzee and young children.

Uh?

 

[Moxie]

I would rather it was banned but as it isn't I don't expect players not to use it and won't castigate them for it.

and here is the point Like training at altitude, without the hard work

Obviously, you get my point, and the irony intended. But, as technology advances, what's to stop players from making the most of it? Racquet and string technology have been put out there, in the past. Unless this hyperbaric chamber is deemed to be an unfair advantage, or seen as blood-doping, which I think is a reasonable argument, it is the wave of the future for athletes.

 

[britbox]

Obviously, you get my point, and the irony intended. But, as technology advances, what's to stop players from making the most of it? Racquet and string technology have been put out there, in the past. Unless this hyperbaric chamber is deemed to be an unfair advantage, or seen as blood-doping, which I think is a reasonable argument, it is the wave of the future for athletes.

Nothing to stop them at all, and if they find benefits from it then they'd be almost mad not to use it.
While it remains unbanned, I'd expect them all to use it if they think it works for them.

 

[Carol]

Tennis in the future?

 

[Moxie]

So here's the question: if dropping your blood off at a dirty doctor, to have it oxygen-enriched and then reinserted in your body is illegal, why is this kind of oxygen-enrichment legal? Really no snark...I just don't understand.

 

[britbox]

So here's the question: if dropping your blood off at a dirty doctor, to have it oxygen-enriched and then reinserted in your body is illegal, why is this kind of oxygen-enrichment legal? Really no snark...I just don't understand.

Good question. Maybe something WADA need to address properly.