Covid vaccine - opinions?

Will you take the vaccine when it is available to you?

  • I will take the vaccine

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • I don't trust the vaccine

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Don't know enough yet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thrilled there is a vaccine...it feels like there is light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • I'll wait to see how it works for others

    Votes: 2 11.8%

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Front did you take the vaccine? I couldn't read though all of those Previously written posts...I'm I recall you are anti-vaccine .. is that correct

I took both Pfizer's vaccine vaccination shots.(first shot late February..first responder qualified)
I'm anti covid vaccine not anti vaccine in any way at all and have taken plenty of proper vaccines. Only the very elderly or sick are affected by this for the most part and I don't agree at all with this approach of vaccinating perfectly healthy young people, especially when many people get shit side effects or even die from these not properly tested vaccines that are only in trial stages till 2022/2023.

The biggest joke is the booster shots they have planned which are clearly getting even less trial than the already pathetic trials of the existing vaccines and they have no idea whatsoever of long term side effects. Sincerely hope all people here who have taken a covid vaccine and my family, friends etc. will all be fine but I'm not jeopardizing my health with a rushed vaccine for something I may never even get. Lots of reinfections since people are fully vaccinated makes it even more pointless to me. Sure they won't die fingers crossed but neither will I with zero.

I've been just fine as have billions worldwide for 1.5 years of covid with no vaccine and the media scaremongering isn't gonna force me to do anything or convince me I suddenly need their rushed vaccines. I'm not one bit scared despite how much the news try to scare people. 99.7% survival rate = no need for a vaccine for practically all but a fraction of society.

Another thing that's absolute bs...without a "vaccine" you need a negative pcr test to board a plane but think about this...if there are 189 passengers on a flight and 188 are vaccinated and therefore the geniuses decide they don't need to be tested and I'm the only unvaccinated passenger then I'm the ONLY person you know for sure does not have covid. That's laughable what the world has come to. The vaccinated people who could have covid could give it to me.

Way I see it, I've never got the flu vaccine and never got the flu. Absent twice in 20 years from work and 1 day was from a sore back due to a crap chair as I posted before so I don't need any vaccine.
 

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I'm anti covid vaccine not anti vaccine in any way at all and have taken plenty of proper vaccines. Only the very elderly or sick are affected by this for the most part and I don't agree at all with this approach of vaccinating perfectly healthy young people, especially when many people get shit side effects or even die from these not properly tested vaccines that are only in trial stages till 2022/2023.

The biggest joke is the booster shots they have planned which are clearly getting even less trial than the already pathetic trials of the existing vaccines and they have no idea whatsoever of long term side effects. Sincerely hope all people here who have taken a covid vaccine and my family, friends etc. will all be fine but I'm not jeopardizing my health with a rushed vaccine for something I may never even get. Lots of reinfections since people are fully vaccinated makes it even more pointless to me. Sure they won't die fingers crossed but neither will I with zero.

I've been just fine as have billions worldwide for 1.5 years of covid with no vaccine and the media scaremongering isn't gonna force me to do anything or convince me I suddenly need their rushed vaccines. I'm not one bit scared despite how much the news try to scare people. 99.7% survival rate = no need for a vaccine for practically all but a fraction of society.

Another thing that's absolute bs...without a "vaccine" you need a negative pcr test to board a plane but think about this...if there are 189 passengers on a flight and 188 are vaccinated and therefore the geniuses decide they don't need to be tested and I'm the only unvaccinated passenger then I'm the ONLY person you know for sure does not have covid. That's laughable what the world has come to. The vaccinated people who could have covid could give it to me.

Way I see it, I've never got the flu vaccine and never got the flu. Absent twice in 20 years from work and 1 day was from a sore back due to a crap chair as I posted before so I don't need any vaccine.
What do you mean about not properly tested vaccines, and pathetic trials? What do you know about that, or have you actively explored? I'm in a vaccine trial, for one example. It's done through NYU/Langone Hospital, and it's for a vaccine being developed by GSK/Sanofi Pasteur, and you can look up the results...it's going very well. They see me all the time, draw my blood regularly. They gave me 2 shots of vaccine, and after 6 weeks, they told me I could get a proper one, so I've had 2 shots of Moderna, as well. And guess what? I'm still standing! I'm full of vaccine, approved ones and trial ones, and it hasn't killed me or given me Guillen-Barre or anything weird.

Your notion of how vaccinated v. non-vaccinated works is rudimentary, at best, and childish, to say the least. And your comparison to the flu shot tells it all. You think it's all about you. It is not. Never had a flu shot, never had the flu. Don't consider yourself in the age group to die from COVID, so fuck everyone else. That's not how it works, you selfish git. You should take a flu shot so that you don't pass flu along to the very young, the very old or the immune-compromised who might get flu and die from it. Likewise Covid. It's not about you, it's about protecting everyone. And you treat this vaccination like it's in a trial stage. 748 million people worldwide are fully vaccinated. 2.5Billion have been given at least one dose. With basically no ill effects. So how long is it going to take before you stop being afraid to take it. And get off your selfish, fraidy cat ass and just do it? You say you're not afraid, but you are. If it doesn't scare you, then just do it. For the good of other people. You honestly don't have a good argument against, despite above efforts. Which are lame.
 

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I don't have time to reply to all of that but no it's not for the good of other people because if the elderly and sick are already vaccinated then they're fine. Vaccinated people can still catch and transmit covid so you're no different than me at all in that respect so that most certainly does not make me a selfish git. It makes me a logical one. It's only going to reduce severity of symptoms for anyone vaccinated who catches covid and since they could catch it from you or any vaccinated person just the same then it's down to pure choice whether someone wants to take their chances of never catching covid or getting it and recovering with their own immune system minus any almost government forced vaccine.

10000 cases a day that don't require hospitization doesn't burden any health system. I don't have time to attach VAERs reports but your claim of no ill effects is complete bs as there are lots. As for telling me I should take a flu shot when I've never got the flu I fail to see the logic there. No one should take anything they don't need. Some people have crap immune systems and catch everything so they can take it if that's the case for peace of mind. Not for me thanks.

Your notion of me supposedly not in the affected age group so fuck everyone else is the typical pro vaccine failed argument and yet you called me childish. It's not a case of fuck everyone else since the elderly/vulnerable are almost all vaccinated in most countries so chances of anyone else getting seriously sick or dying are very slim but feel free to keep up with the wrong notion that people like me are saying fuck everyone else which is completely untrue. I'm all for elderly or those with underlying conditions being safe but once they are then no one else needs these. Good that your trial is ongoing btw but real vaccines have years of testing for long term effects. They can't predict long term side effects in mere months and that's a fact.

Just to add, I'm glad you have no side effects but many won't be as lucky. And many will continue to have zero from taking no vaccine. To add further, I have friends taking steroids for years and roids get a bad rep but are safe when done sensibly and there's a ton of information online about usage and safety for years and years on roids and yet they're not going near covid vaccines. That says a lot about lack of trust in long term studies on covid vaccines, namely cos there are NO long term studies. It's a lottery/gamble/whatever you want to call it.
 
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Very informative video on this link...

https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/06/21/dr-peter-mccullough-stop-covid-vaccine-roll-out/

For those making the bs claims of no side effects from covid vaccines, count yourselves lucky if you had none as many others have been nowhere near as lucky. Enjoy...

Official UK Yellow Card adverse event reports. This is UK only and it's estimated only 10% at most ever report adverse effects meaning the true numbers are massive! Ask yourselves why doctors are being silenced worldwide by mainstream media....

AstraZeneca

https://assets.publishing.service.g...a_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_-_DLP_02.06.2021.pdf

Pfizer

https://assets.publishing.service.g...h_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_-_DLP_02.06.2021.pdf

Moderna

https://assets.publishing.service.g...a_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_-_DLP_02.06.2021.pdf
 
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People with any underlying health issues should not take Pzizer,it is okay for people under 60
I have had chronic fatique in the past and have allergies my immune specialist warns me not to have Pzifer.
People should listen to their doctors/specialists they understand their patients.
I have been advised to take high doses of vitimen C before my vaccine and after,also an anti-histime before and after and take panadol on the day of my vaccine.I was hoping that our government would get in another vaccine Novavax, but as yet they have not authorised it here in Australia which would have been a better option for me.
 
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^ I take 1000 mg of vitamin C daily and often double that in winter to ward off colds and boost my immune system. Hardly ever sick. Taking 4000iu every 2nd day of vitamin D also, 1 to 2 magnesium bisglycinate 100mg (it says take 1 to 2 and I took 2 for a while and dropped back to 1 as there's some in my multi vits too). Magnesium and b vitamins are very good to fight fatigue. Many doctors are against multivitamins and I gave up on mine for a while just to keep my doctor happy but went back on 1 instead of 2 per day (they're high potency ones that say take 1 or 2 per day but 1 is probably loads) since I have loads left and paid for them and you can't possibly get all trace minerals etc. from food. I take 1 x 500g krill oil cap, 2 pumpkin seed oil 1000mg and 2 stinging nettle extract 250mg per day. Both very good for your hair and for men they block DHT which causes hair loss so it ends up with the reverse effect of helping retain and grow hair while maintaining more free testosterone that doesn't convert to DHT. Also take 1 optizinc 30mg and saw palmetto 320mg prior to bed. So there it is, that's my daily stash!
 
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People with any underlying health issues should not take Pzizer,it is okay for people under 60
I have had chronic fatique in the past and have allergies my immune specialist warns me not to have Pzifer.
People should listen to their doctors/specialists they understand their patients.
I have been advised to take high doses of vitimen C before my vaccine and after,also an anti-histime before and after and take panadol on the day of my vaccine.I was hoping that our government would get in another vaccine Novavax, but as yet they have not authorised it here in Australia which would have been a better option for me.
Speaking of Novavax, they're calling Djokovic NoVaxx Djokovic which is kinda hilarious.
 

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^ I take 1000 mg of vitamin C daily and often double that in winter to ward off colds and boost my immune system. Hardly ever sick. Taking 4000iu every 2nd day of vitamin D also, 1 to 2 magnesium bisglycinate 100mg (it says take 1 to 2 and I took 2 for a while and dropped back to 1 as there's some in my multi vits too). Magnesium and b vitamins are very good to fight fatigue. Many doctors are against multivitamins and I gave up on mine for a while just to keep my doctor happy but went back on 1 instead of 2 per day (they're high potency ones that say take 1 or 2 per day but 1 is probably loads) since I have loads left and paid for them and you can't possibly get all trace minerals etc. from food. I take 1 x 500g krill oil cap, 2 pumpkin seed oil 1000mg and 2 stinging nettle extract 250mg per day. Both very good for your hair and for men they block DHT which causes hair loss so it ends up with the reverse effect of helping retain and grow hair while maintaining more free testosterone that doesn't convert to DHT. Also take 1 optizinc 30mg and saw palmetto 320mg prior to bed. So there it is, that's my daily stash!
I also take high amounts of Vitmen C daily,also take vitimen D and magnesium which is great not only for your heart also muscle repair which I take at night.I have been healthy for over 14 years since I got Chronic Fatique,I guess looking back I was 'burning the candle at both ends' not eating properly and getting 4 to 5 hours sleep.I have gone back to weight drawing for the last 6 years which I enjoy and have not been sick since having chronic fatique,health is the most important thing in your life.You cannot buy it.
 
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I don't have time to reply to all of that but no it's not for the good of other people because if the elderly and sick are already vaccinated then they're fine. Vaccinated people can still catch and transmit covid so you're no different than me at all in that respect so that most certainly does not make me a selfish git. It makes me a logical one. It's only going to reduce severity of symptoms for anyone vaccinated who catches covid and since they could catch it from you or any vaccinated person just the same then it's down to pure choice whether someone wants to take their chances of never catching covid or getting it and recovering with their own immune system minus any almost government forced vaccine.

10000 cases a day that don't require hospitization doesn't burden any health system. I don't have time to attach VAERs reports but your claim of no ill effects is complete bs as there are lots. As for telling me I should take a flu shot when I've never got the flu I fail to see the logic there. No one should take anything they don't need. Some people have crap immune systems and catch everything so they can take it if that's the case for peace of mind. Not for me thanks.

Your notion of me supposedly not in the affected age group so fuck everyone else is the typical pro vaccine failed argument and yet you called me childish. It's not a case of fuck everyone else since the elderly/vulnerable are almost all vaccinated in most countries so chances of anyone else getting seriously sick or dying are very slim but feel free to keep up with the wrong notion that people like me are saying fuck everyone else which is completely untrue. I'm all for elderly or those with underlying conditions being safe but once they are then no one else needs these. Good that your trial is ongoing btw but real vaccines have years of testing for long term effects. They can't predict long term side effects in mere months and that's a fact.

Just to add, I'm glad you have no side effects but many won't be as lucky. And many will continue to have zero from taking no vaccine. To add further, I have friends taking steroids for years and roids get a bad rep but are safe when done sensibly and there's a ton of information online about usage and safety for years and years on roids and yet they're not going near covid vaccines. That says a lot about lack of trust in long term studies on covid vaccines, namely cos there are NO long term studies. It's a lottery/gamble/whatever you want to call it.

I can only speak of here in the US, where I live about 60-70% of the populace is fully vaccinated.

There is no vaccine that is 100 % guaranteed and as mentioned, with varying immune system reactions, people take their risks, which is why some, including ironically enough many in the health care profession that I know, normally don't take flu shots or other vaccinations. Personally, I rarely took vaccinations in the past, one of the reasons is what I think is a healthy(no pun intended) skepticism of excessive medication/drug use here in the States. Doctors tend to treat symptoms, and good nutrition, exercise and a healthy lifestyle in many cases help a person cope better than a bucket load of prescription drugs, which is unfortunately the AMA's MO for healthcare here. The contempt of many in the medical community here have for anything homeopathic or natural, including say, acupuncture (which I do) is palpable. There is billions of dollars in lucre involved in this complicated subject, including pharmaceutical lobbying.

I may take the shingles shot this year, simply because I've had chicken pox in the past, and seeing friends/family get shingles (including my wife) I DO NOT want to ever get shingles, period. It's one of the most painful things from what others tell me. My wife doesn't ever take the flu shot, however while some years I do, this last year I didn't and well since I kept away from most people quite frankly I didn't see the point.

What I'm trying to say is it's not always a cut and dry, black and white, binary stance . Because someone takes the vaccine doesn't mean they are lemmings who disregards the potential dangers and on the other side those who don't take the vaccines doesn't mean they are ignorant of science and completely anti-medicine/vaxers. However, I do have contempt for those who refused to wear masks, social distance and take the vaccine for simply POLITICAL reasons, ----because it's obvious in those cases political agendas deliberately trumped public health/safety. Every day/week we get updates, more data, more numbers so as of now I have no issue with people who weigh their options and decide not to vaccinate as long as they continue to follow protocols in their communities.

As far as COVID, I think anyone would be disingenuous as to claim it's been the status quo as far as other flu outbreaks in our lifetime. This has been different. I will say this, from all sides, not always intentionally there's been a whole slew of misinformation, botched policies, etc, etc which has made the muddled mess we have know. Statistical evidence shows that NOT putting on masks and social distancing increased infections and hospitalizations, sometimes tragically so, while at the same time yes, the death rate was far lower for most of the population. Yet I have no patience for those who at this point claim COVID was just "another flu" and the threat was overblown.

NOBODY really knew how this was all going to pan out...while some strict shutdowns appeared not be that effective in stemming the surges (with economic repercussions that strained the system in other ways) as the same time the cavalier attitude in some countries such as Brazil as far as safety protocols was disastrous.

So I took the vaccination because of employment and family and travel considerations, it was the best choice for me, as well as my wife. We researched our options, and yes, with limited test data took our chances and took one of the the vaccines. (in our area there were 3 available) If it doesn't pan out, we pay the consequences of our decisions but pretty much everything you do in life has weighted risk. Which is why I will never mountain climb K-2.
 

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I also take high amounts of Vitmen C daily,also take vitimen D and magnesium which is great not only for your heart also muscle repair which I take at night.I have been healthy for over 14 years since I got Chronic Fatique,I guess looking back I was 'burning the candle at both ends' not eating properly and getting 4 to 5 hours sleep.I have gone back to weight drawing for the last 6 years which I enjoy and have not been sick since having chronic fatique,health is the most important thing in your life.You cannot buy it.
I hope you find some way to get rid of the chronic fatigue. I badly miss my weights. I was big into lifting weights for about 23 years and gave up the gym in Feb last year mostly 'cos before we started working from home I was going to the gym 3-4 days a week and getting home when it was dark and my then 4 year old son (5 now) was asleep when I got home. I'd happily lift weights if we had a garden shed that I could make a gym out of but decided to go for artificial grass and big patio instead and didn't want the shed taking up space. Other option is obviously weights in the house but we've either engineered wood/laminate floors or tiles everywhere so I can't really or someone might get upset if a big dumbbell came crashing down from upstairs :D I guess could get lots of reinforced rubber mats so it's something I'll look into but they'd have to be light enough weights and I was used to pretty heavy ones.

Was doing 200 press ups per day to start off after giving up the gym, then dropped to around 100 and now only 50 or so and feel lazy cos of that compared what I did before but despite being a bit smaller I can't say I notice a massive difference. Eating less protein now too since I'm no longer going to the gym. Used to be horsing down massive amounts of chicken in work already at 10am lol. Walking a ton now instead as cardio is probably more important at the end of the day anyway. Working from home is great while it lasts and now I'm able to log off my pc and go for a nice walk most evenings with my 5 year old and his scooter (scootie : ). Was annoyed too how poor my gym were as they never sent anyone any email or text to say your membership is frozen while we're in lockdown and is still valid until XXX date. I think I've 4 months or so left but would be nice if they'd tell you and frankly the need to book slots now with covid just pisses me right off. I'll probably get back to it in the future alright though.
 

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I can only speak of here in the US, where I live about 60-70% of the populace is fully vaccinated.

There is no vaccine that is 100 % guaranteed and as mentioned, with varying immune system reactions, people take their risks, which is why some, including ironically enough many in the health care profession that I know, normally don't take flu shots or other vaccinations. Personally, I rarely took vaccinations in the past, one of the reasons is what I think is a healthy(no pun intended) skepticism of excessive medication/drug use here in the States. Doctors tend to treat symptoms, and good nutrition, exercise and a healthy lifestyle in many cases help a person cope better than a bucket load of prescription drugs, which is unfortunately the AMA's MO for healthcare here. The contempt of many in the medical community here have for anything homeopathic or natural, including say, acupuncture (which I do) is palpable. There is billions of dollars in lucre involved in this complicated subject, including pharmaceutical lobbying.

I may take the shingles shot this year, simply because I've had chicken pox in the past, and seeing friends/family get shingles (including my wife) I DO NOT want to ever get shingles, period. It's one of the most painful things from what others tell me. My wife doesn't ever take the flu shot, however while some years I do, this last year I didn't and well since I kept away from most people quite frankly I didn't see the point.

What I'm trying to say is it's not always a cut and dry, black and white, binary stance . Because someone takes the vaccine doesn't mean they are lemmings who disregards the potential dangers and on the other side those who don't take the vaccines doesn't mean they are ignorant of science and completely anti-medicine/vaxers. However, I do have contempt for those who refused to wear masks, social distance and take the vaccine for simply POLITICAL reasons, ----because it's obvious in those cases political agendas deliberately trumped public health/safety. Every day/week we get updates, more data, more numbers so as of now I have no issue with people who weigh their options and decide not to vaccinate as long as they continue to follow protocols in their communities.

As far as COVID, I think anyone would be disingenuous as to claim it's been the status quo as far as other flu outbreaks in our lifetime. This has been different. I will say this, from all sides, not always intentionally there's been a whole slew of misinformation, botched policies, etc, etc which has made the muddled mess we have know. Statistical evidence shows that NOT putting on masks and social distancing increased infections and hospitalizations, sometimes tragically so, while at the same time yes, the death rate was far lower for most of the population. Yet I have no patience for those who at this point claim COVID was just "another flu" and the threat was overblown.

NOBODY really knew how this was all going to pan out...while some strict shutdowns appeared not be that effective in stemming the surges (with economic repercussions that strained the system in other ways) as the same time the cavalier attitude in some countries such as Brazil as far as safety protocols was disastrous.

So I took the vaccination because of employment and family and travel considerations, it was the best choice for me, as well as my wife. We researched our options, and yes, with limited test data took our chances and took one of the the vaccines. (in our area there were 3 available) If it doesn't pan out, we pay the consequences of our decisions but pretty much everything you do in life has weighted risk. Which is why I will never mountain climb K-2.
I'm quite sure you'll be fine and sincerely hope so and same for everyone here who did also. My mum minds our 5 year old every Wednesday and was in a particularly bad mood today and decided to call me a selfish fucker for not taking a covid vaccine. Told her if there's a plane full of people vaccinated and I'm the only passenger who isn't then I'm the ONLY person you know does not have covid since I'd have a negative PCR test and yet the powers that be are saying vaccinated people don't need a test but they could all have covid and then give it to me. But even if they do, I don't care as chances are I'll be just fine. It's the principle though, it makes no sense. Whole thing is insane imo. She still thinks I'm a selfish fucker in her exact words and I couldn't care less. This covid scaremongering bs the mainstream media have created is ruining relationships between friends, family, etc. I've been called a selfish git too in this thread. Can't say I agree with either ! I've been just fine with no covid vaccine for over 18 months and so have millions/bilions worldwide and I fully respect anyone who decides to get one or vice versa. I'm 47 in September and don't like the mainstream media and government literally trying to force us to take something we don't want to or don't need. My main issue is people are still catching covid and dying after both vaccinations so for me personally that makes no sense. They're now gonna be giving booster shots so even more vaccines will be pumped into people and it'll go on and on as more variants arrive. None will be properly tested and all rushed. As I said though, I completely respect anyone's choice to get it but it's not for me, especially given the massive amount of side effects in those links I provided. I've had kidney stones multiple times in the past from eating lots of protein while I was a gym nut and like many people get reflux often (hoping some probiotics I've ordered will maybe finally help) but other than that I'm in pretty good nick considering I'm approaching 50 and I'm just fine the way I am with my own pretty healthy immune system.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nearly-30-those-dying-delta-20812363
 
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I hope you find some way to get rid of the chronic fatigue. I badly miss my weights. I was big into lifting weights for about 23 years and gave up the gym in Feb last year mostly 'cos before we started working from home I was going to the gym 3-4 days a week and getting home when it was dark and my then 4 year old son (5 now) was asleep when I got home. I'd happily lift weights if we had a garden shed that I could make a gym out of but decided to go for artificial grass and big patio instead and didn't want the shed taking up space. Other option is obviously weights in the house but we've either engineered wood/laminate floors or tiles everywhere so I can't really or someone might get upset if a big dumbbell came crashing down from upstairs :D I guess could get lots of reinforced rubber mats so it's something I'll look into but they'd have to be light enough weights and I was used to pretty heavy ones.

Was doing 200 press ups per day to start off after giving up the gym, then dropped to around 100 and now only 50 or so and feel lazy cos of that compared what I did before but despite being a bit smaller I can't say I notice a massive difference. Eating less protein now too since I'm no longer going to the gym. Used to be horsing down massive amounts of chicken in work already at 10am lol. Walking a ton now instead as cardio is probably more important at the end of the day anyway. Working from home is great while it lasts and now I'm able to log off my pc and go for a nice walk most evenings with my 5 year old and his scooter (scootie : ). Was annoyed too how poor my gym were as they never sent anyone any email or text to say your membership is frozen while we're in lockdown and is still valid until XXX date. I think I've 4 months or so left but would be nice if they'd tell you and frankly the need to book slots now with covid just pisses me right off. I'll probably get back to it in the future alright though.
I am now healthy from Chronic Fatique which I was bedridden for 1 year that was over 14 years ago.Here in Sydney we also had lock down of all gyms for awhile,I have weights at home,though it is not the same as the gym.I would go outside and run or go for a long bike run to keep up some type of fitness,cardio wise,though I did lose strength,which is understandable.I have a Personal Trainer for 1 hour a week,and go twice by myself,he gives me a programe and updates it every month.Now we have another out break in Sydney,we have to wear masks in gyms,I have my PT session later,I will see how I go at weight training with a mask on,my PT said to me he will cancel if I dont feel comfortable.I think what makes you lazy is that you are out of your normal routine,which is understandable.
 

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I am now healthy from Chronic Fatique which I was bedridden for 1 year that was over 14 years ago.Here in Sydney we also had lock down of all gyms for awhile,I have weights at home,though it is not the same as the gym.I would go outside and run or go for a long bike run to keep up some type of fitness,cardio wise,though I did lose strength,which is understandable.I have a Personal Trainer for 1 hour a week,and go twice by myself,he gives me a programe and updates it every month.Now we have another out break in Sydney,we have to wear masks in gyms,I have my PT session later,I will see how I go at weight training with a mask on,my PT said to me he will cancel if I dont feel comfortable.I think what makes you lazy is that you are out of your normal routine,which is understandable.
Really glad to hear it's gone, wasn't sure from your last post. I can only imagine how weak I'd be now trying to lift anything heavy but I'd say 2-3 months and I'd be flying again. I liked putting the guys half my age to shame while they were taking selfies like all the teenagers do and uploading topless photos to their instagram lol. I'd be togging off flexing with them taking the piss and their faces would drop at the dad putting them to shame :D Not trying to sound full of myself btw but if you're lifting 23 years and these kids are at it a year or 2 it's funny. They all start muttering about roids and I take it as a compliment 'cos I never touched any.
 

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Really glad to hear it's gone, wasn't sure from your last post. I can only imagine how weak I'd be now trying to lift anything heavy but I'd say 2-3 months and I'd be flying again. I liked putting the guys half my age to shame while they were taking selfies like all the teenagers do and uploading topless photos to their instagram lol. I'd be togging off flexing with them taking the piss and their faces would drop at the dad putting them to shame :D Not trying to sound full of myself btw but if you're lifting 23 years and these kids are at it a year or 2 it's funny. They all start muttering about roids and I take it as a compliment 'cos I never touched any.
Well anyone taking roids are also putting their health in the long term at risk? just to get a quick fisk in developing muscles,I think you get better statisfaction when you can say lift heavier due to putting in the proper training and dont cheat which is what taking roids is all about.
 

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Well anyone taking roids are also putting their health in the long term at risk? just to get a quick fisk in developing muscles,I think you get better statisfaction when you can say lift heavier due to putting in the proper training and dont cheat which is what taking roids is all about.
Tbh, they're not if they're doing them wisely. Roids get a bad rep but are perfectly fine if you do a cycle here and there and take necessary liver and blood pressure precautions and give your body's natural test time to get back to normal but it's not for me. The pointless part is you lose a massive part of the gains once you stop and people laugh you when you're off.
 
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I'm quite sure you'll be fine and sincerely hope so and same for everyone here who did also. My mum minds our 5 year old every Wednesday and was in a particularly bad mood today and decided to call me a selfish fucker for not taking a covid vaccine. I've been called a selfish git too in this thread. Can't say I agree with either ! I've been just fine with no covid vaccine for over 18 months and so have millions/bilions worldwide and I fully respect anyone who decides to get one or vice versa. I'm 47 in September and don't like the mainstream media and government literally trying to force us to take something we don't want to or don't need. My main issue is people are still catching covid and dying after both vaccinations so for me personally that makes no sense. They're now gonna be giving booster shots so even more vaccines will be pumped into people and it'll go on and on as more variants arrive. None will be properly tested and all rushed. As I said though, I completely respect anyone's choice to get it but it's not for me, especially given the massive amount of side effects in those links I provided. I've had kidney stones multiple times in the past from eating lots of protein while I was a gym nut and like many people get reflux often (hoping some probiotics I've ordered will maybe finally help) but other than that I'm in pretty good nick considering I'm approaching 50 and I'm just fine the way I am with my own pretty healthy immune system.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nearly-30-those-dying-delta-20812363
Funny you mention that, for whatever reason it's stuck in my head from what I've read dehydration is one of the factors involved in kidney/gall stones. Have I mentioned I have panic attacks regarding pain and all my life I've been told that passing stones is like giving birth for a man. :face-with-head-bandage: I drink TONS of water a day and one of the reasons is in my addled brain it will stave off getting kidney or gall stones, I will be so PISSED if it doesn't work.
 

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Funny you mention that, for whatever reason from what I've read dehydration is one of the factors involved in kidney/gall stones. Have I mentioned I have panic attacks regarding pain and all my life I've hard that passing stones is like giving birth for a man. :face-with-head-bandage: I drink TONS of water a day and one of the reasons is in my addled brain it will stave off getting kidney or gall stones, I will be so PISSED if it doesn't work.
Yeah I drink an absolute ton now to ward them off and I can attest it's absolute agony and you end up puking from the pain. Haven't had any thankfully for a few years now and hoping they're behind me now that I've dropped my protein WAY down but a few years ago I could feel a stone coming on and was walking around like a chicken with no head (think Andy Roddick net approach) and then proceeded to go to the bathroom and kneel in front of the toilet for 45 minutes before I puked from the pain but before this happened my missus said "I know this is gonna sound bad but do you mind if I go shopping!". Nice :D You puke out painkillers so they don't work and I've had to go for emergency injections at a late night doc a few times as it was the only relief that worked.
 

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Tbh, they're not if they're doing them wisely. Roids get a bad rep but are perfectly fine if you do a cycle here and there and take necessary liver and blood pressure precautions and give your body's natural test time to get back to normal but it's not for me. The pointless part is you lose a massive part of the gains once you stop and people laugh you when you're off.
I see that at our gym all the time,people taking and going off roids,one minute muscle next minute flabby and loss of muscle :)
 

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Very informative video on this link...

https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/06/21/dr-peter-mccullough-stop-covid-vaccine-roll-out/

For those making the bs claims of no side effects from covid vaccines, count yourselves lucky if you had none as many others have been nowhere near as lucky. Enjoy...

Official UK Yellow Card adverse event reports. This is UK only and it's estimated only 10% at most ever report adverse effects meaning the true numbers are massive! Ask yourselves why doctors are being silenced worldwide by mainstream media....

AstraZeneca

https://assets.publishing.service.g...a_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_-_DLP_02.06.2021.pdf

Pfizer

https://assets.publishing.service.g...h_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_-_DLP_02.06.2021.pdf

Moderna

https://assets.publishing.service.g...a_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_-_DLP_02.06.2021.pdf
I don't think people are making bs claims of no side effects. As Jelenafan said, it really is a personal decision that everyone needs to make for themselves, their family and their immediate circle. They need to weigh all the factors along with the data and make a decision accordingly. I personally know people who had side affects but no one I know has died as a result of getting vaccinated. I do however know some people outside my immediate circle (about 10 people) that have suffered a death in their family as a result of Covid.

Now on the flipside, I have a pastor friend in the U.S. who's originally from Jamaica. He knows a couple who were split on the issue of whether to get vaccinated. The wife wanted to and the husband didn't. He drove her to the vax site to get her shot. The workers asked him if he wanted to be vaccinated along with his wife. They had enough doses and offered to give him one and he refused saying he wouldn't do it, that he was just bringing her. Two months later he caught Covid, was hospitalized and he died. His wife is now a widow and has to take care of her family alone. I don't have an agenda and I'm not pushing my opinion one way or the other. I'm just presenting facts.
 

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I don't think people are making bs claims of no side effects. As Jelenafan said, it really is a personal decision that everyone needs to make for themselves, their family and their immediate circle. They need to weigh all the factors along with the data and make a decision accordingly. I personally know people who had side affects but no one I know has died as a result of getting vaccinated. I do however know some people outside my immediate circle (about 10 people) that have suffered a death in their family as a result of Covid.

Now on the flipside, I have a pastor friend in the U.S. who's originally from Jamaica. He knows a couple who were split on the issue of whether to get vaccinated. The wife wanted to and the husband didn't. He drove her to the vax site to get her shot. The workers asked him if he wanted to be vaccinated along with his wife. They had enough doses and offered to give him one and he refused saying he wouldn't do it, that he was just bringing her. Two months later he caught Covid, was hospitalized and he died. His wife is now a widow and has to take care of her family alone. I don't have an agenda and I'm not pushing my opinion one way or the other. I'm just presenting facts.
It is a personal decision and yes you do have to weigh up facts,personally I will get vaccinated,as I do work closely with people in hospitals,even if did not I would still get vaccincated.Hopefully I will be able to travel in the future and see my daughter who lives in London I have not seen her for 2 years.Qantas our national overseas carrier said when they start flying international routes again,they will not accept passengers without having full vaccinations
 
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