Cincinnati Quarterfinal: Federer/Nadal

[Front242]

Yeah, I reckon the narcissist could give Ralph a few lessons in "humility..."

Maybe but wrong sport!

 

[Kieran]

Yeah, I reckon the narcissist could give Ralph a few lessons in "humility..."

Maybe but wrong sport!

:snigger :clap

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Hey GSAM, thanks for that.

In fairness, that was a long time ago. I wonder if he said it in response to Rogers famous remark that Rafa was a 'one-dimensional' player and he figured out how to beat him? Maybe Rafa thought that remark a little presumptuous and insulting and loosened his tongue?

1. Yes, it was a long time ago.

2. I don't remember the context, but the approximate quote that i gave is ringing
in my ears. I heard it directly through Rafa's voice and not through hearsay.
However, I am very sure that the interviewer must have pushed Rafa in some
way. I don't remember the "one dimensional" remark by Federer (I am not
saying he did not make it either), but I do remember Fed saying in those
days that he is coming closer to beating Nadal on Clay after every loss.
I believe the interviewer might have asked for Rafa's response to Roger's claim that he is
getting closer to beating Rafa on clay.

3. Finally, I have no problem with that interview given by Rafa in 2006.
He felt Fed could not defeat him and he said so. I do not see anything
wrong with it. To emphasize that he is not talking off the hat, he
elaborarted on his recent victories (at that time) over Fed in Dubai,
Monte Carlo and Rome. I don't see anything wrong with that either.
I actually do not consider Rafa's remarks to be arrogant or out of the
line.

4. I also do not have a problem with recent humility of Rafa,
provided it is genuine. Humility is of course a virtue. It does not
matter whether it is a natural humility or learned humility. Either way
it is good. However, it should not be disingenous at the same time.
After winning numerous FO titles and before playing against a player
ranked outside top 100 on clay, saying that "He is very good, no;
I have to be playing at my very best to have some chance of winning, no"
is hideous. To summarize, I don't have problems with Rafa's 2006 remarks
(which are his honest feelings, arrogant or not); but the fake humility
pushed beyond limits bothers me.

5. I also want to emphasize that not all "learned humility" is the same as
"fake humility". Quite often, with age, experience and counterintutively
with more accomplishments, people become more humble.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Hey GSAM, thanks for that.

In fairness, that was a long time ago. I wonder if he said it in response to Rogers famous remark that Rafa was a 'one-dimensional' player and he figured out how to beat him? Maybe Rafa thought that remark a little presumptuous and insulting and loosened his tongue?

1. Yes, it was a long time ago.

2. I don't remember the context, but the approximate quote that i gave is ringing
in my ears. I heard it directly through Rafa's voice and not through hearsay.
However, I am very sure that the interviewer must have pushed Rafa in some
way. I don't remember the "one dimensional" remark by Federer (I am not
saying he did not make it either), but I do remember Fed saying in those
days that he is coming closer to beating Nadal on Clay after every loss.
I believe the interviewer might have asked for Rafa's response to Roger's claim that he is
getting closer to beating Rafa on clay.

3. Finally, I have no problem with that interview given by Rafa in 2006.
He felt Fed could not defeat him and he said so. I do not see anything
wrong with it. To emphasize that he is not talking off the hat, he
elaborarted on his recent victories (at that time) over Fed in Dubai,
Monte Carlo and Rome. I don't see anything wrong with that either.
I actually do not consider Rafa's remarks to be arrogant or out of the
line.

4. I also do not have a problem with recent humility of Rafa,
provided it is genuine. Humility is of course a virtue. It does not
matter whether it is a natural humility or learned humility. Either way
it is good. However, it should not be disingenous at the same time.
After winning numerous FO titles and before playing against a player
ranked outside top 100 on clay, saying that "He is very good, no;
I have to be playing at my very best to have some chance of winning, no"
is hideous. To summarize, I don't have problems with Rafa's 2006 remarks
(which are his honest feelings, arrogant or not); but the fake humility
pushed beyond limits bothers me.

5. I also want to emphasize that not all "learned humility" is the same as
"fake humility". Quite often, with age, experience and counterintutively
with more accomplishments, people become more humble.

 

[ftan]

Huh.. took me whole day to go thru the thread.. had to leave after 2nd set and really didn't know what happened in 3rd.. you guys give better commentary than stupid tv commentators

In all fairness, Fed did play well for the first 2 sets.. apart from that stupid last game in second set, that handed over the set to Rafa. He has been playing so bad recently that this seemed like breath of fresh air,.. not indicative of his chances at US Open though.. as consistency is the biggest problem for Roger right now .. we will see how it plays out.. bt hopefully he can remind himself that he is capable of playing the first strike tennis..

P.S. I still blame my husband for Fed's loss.. he never wins when my hubs comes to watch

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

^^yes..Federer blames your husband too.

 

[ftan]

^^ lolz

 

[Kieran]

The funny thing, GSAM, is that when Rafa says he has to be at his best to beat someone, he's only vocalising his attitude to every match: he never goes out with less than that attitude because it's from this his resistance stems. Regardless of whether he wins playing badly, he never wins playing complacently...