China Open 2017, Beijing, China, ATP 500

[mrzz]

Really moving post by Kyrgios himself. I hope he gets his act together but more than that, massive respect for what he's doing here:

https://www.playersvoice.com.au/nic...r.com&utm_campaign=buffer#Xq3EtbJRvRuXVxp3.97

I've been saying he is a smart guy for a while (you can see it for the way he expresses himself). This motivation stuff is still a nice little excuse for me, but anyway the guy is more than decent and that's good to know.

 

[MikeOne]

Lots of excuses for Nick, if he had won 1,2, everyone would be saying how amazing he is and how pathetic Rafa is.

How about credit to Nadal? I didn't watch the match but saw highlights of Rafa vs Dimitrov and Rafa vs Nick. From what i saw, i thought Nadal was playing very offensive tennis and playing with a lot of confidence and intensity. I believe this broke down Kyrgios who expected a more defensive Rafa and was thinking he was going to dictate more. Rafa was in control, Nick felt the intensity and couldn't handle Nadal's high level of tennis. Nick could've done better but many here believe it was Nick's match to win, not when Nadal is playing like this, not easy at all.

 

[Jelenafan]

I don't know why things have to be mutually exclusive...

Kyrgios was affected by a bad call in the first game, he did serve poorly AND he was schooled by a red hot Nadal.

Nick did have chances, he had breakpoints on Nadal's first 2 service games in the second set (15-40 and add out) if he converts them, who knows what could have happened. However Nadal was focused on the first service game and got good serves in, in the second service game Nadal had to play a second serve and they had a baseline rally (longest of match?) where Nick had a couple of massive bazooka FH's but Nadal weathered the storm.

Again Nick converts one of those BP's and the momentum could have shifted big time (as it did with Nadal/Dimitrov in their second set) and his confidence could have been lifted.

It's not all just cut and dry answers.

 

[lob]

...i'm saying is no different than what any logical person would say and, that is, Kyrgios serving badly against ANYONE, will likely lose.

That might be true but Kyrgios has more game than that. He has low frustration tolerance, gets irritable, loses focus and that's what does him in. He knows that he can beat anyone when he's playing well. He then imagines that he can somehow prevent these bad days from happening. He needs to learn staying calm like Roger did at his age. Easier said than done. It'll be such a pity to see him go the way of Tsonga, Berdych, Dimitrov, Gulbis etc. As to motivation, he'll find out what it's all about After he wins a grand slam tournament. But he first has to win one.

 

[Moxie]

Lots of excuses for Nick, if he had won 1,2, everyone would be saying how amazing he is and how pathetic Rafa is.

How about credit to Nadal? I didn't watch the match but saw highlights of Rafa vs Dimitrov and Rafa vs Nick. From what i saw, i thought Nadal was playing very offensive tennis and playing with a lot of confidence and intensity. I believe this broke down Kyrgios who expected a more defensive Rafa and was thinking he was going to dictate more. Rafa was in control, Nick felt the intensity and couldn't handle Nadal's high level of tennis. Nick could've done better but many here believe it was Nick's match to win, not when Nadal is playing like this, not easy at all.

I don't think it's true that most here think it was Nick's match to win. Practically the only non-Nadal fan who's even commented is Front. We have said that Rafa played well, and he really did. I really think he's played the best, most confident HC tennis he's played all year, and probably since 2013. Once you say that, though, there's not much else to say. People are talking about Nick because he's conversation-worthy. Everyone is trying to figure out if he has the head for greatness, because he does have a lot of game.

 

[Front242]

I don't think it's true that most here think it was Nick's match to win. Practically the only non-Nadal fan who's even commented is Front. We have said that Rafa played well, and he really did. I really think he's played the best, most confident HC tennis he's played all year, and probably since 2013. Once you say that, though, there's not much else to say. People are talking about Nick because he's conversation-worthy. Everyone is trying to figure out if he has the head for greatness, because he does have a lot of game.

I only commented as I found Carol's post all a bit laughable about a clinic by Nadal which didn't take into account Nick's horrible serving and complete clocking out after the bad call in the first game. I also said Nadal played very well but the usual suspects kept on calling me a troll for speaking the truth and were too busy ranting about nothing to even read my posts properly as usual. Also people can see plain as day that many people have posted the very same things I did but those 2 only saw fit to moan and reply to mine. Says it all really.

EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE knows damn well you don't beat Nick Kyrgios with a scoreline like that if he's playing anyway decent 'cos his serve alone makes things difficult. For the record, and especially for those 2 numbskulls moaning about everything I post even when it's the truth, as is often the case, I'd be saying the same thing if Federer beat Kyrgios by this scoreline. No one beats Kyrgios with that scoreline unless he's having a REALLY bad day. 3 TBs against Federer at Miami, for example. If he's serving well he either wins (2 consecutive wins against Djokovic not long ago) and beat Nadal at Cinci or loses by a very close margin. Since he didn't, anyone can tell he served like crap. Again at Laver Cup, Federer barely beat him by 2 points and was behind in the final set TB when Kyrgios was again playing very well.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I only commented as I found Carol's post all a bit laughable about a clinic by Nadal which didn't take into account Nick's horrible serving and complete clocking out after the bad call n the first game. I also said Nadal played very well but the usual suspects kept on calling me a troll for speaking the truth and were too busy ranting about nothing to even read my posts properly as usual. Also people can see plain as day that many people have posted the very same things I did but those 2 only saw fit to moan and reply to mine. Says it all really.

EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE knows damn well you don't beat Nick Kyrgios with a scoreline like that if he's playing anyway decent 'cos his serve alone makes things difficult. For the record, and especially for those 2 numbskulls moaning about everything I post even when it's the truth, as is often the case, I'd be saying the same thing if Federer beat Kyrgios by this scoreline. No one beats Kyrgios with that scoreline unless he's having a REALLY bad day. 3 TBs against Federer at Miami, for example. If he's serving well he either wins (2 consecutive wins against Djokovic not long ago) and beat Nadal at Cinci or loses by a very close margin. Since he didn't, anyone can tell he served like crap. Again at Laver Cup, Federer barely beat him by 2 points and was behind in the final set TB when Kyrgios was again playing very well.

You need to read what MikeOne posted instead of trying to get someone to chase down that rabbit hole of excuses and yadayadayada.

 

[Front242]

You need to read what MikeOne posted instead of trying to get someone to chase down that rabbit hole of excuses and yadayadayada.

I did and so what? What excuses? Nick served like crap and in case you STILL don't believe he clocked out after the first game maybe you'll believe it since he said it himself.

"Lahyani made a terrible call in the opening game of the match -- which affected the rest of the match.Kyrgios' shot hit the line on his break point -- a lineswoman initially said it's in before she called it out -- a challenge then revealed the ball was indeed in.Hadn't there been a wrong call, Kyrgios would have easily finished the play as he was at the net.

"I can't play at 100 percent if that stuff happens - and then you expect me not to be angry," Kyrgios told Lahyani at the changeover after the third game. "It's one call, it changes the match. And if I'm angry, I'm not going to win the match."

'I don’t know, I just got super frustrated. I just didn’t think it was fair, the first game in the match, break point. You set the tone early, come out, break him in the first game. It’s a replay of the point. It’s not really fair.''

''He played well. I played terribly''

"I lost a bit of composure after a rough line call in the first game of the match and never really recovered"

www.playersvoice.com.au/nick-kyrgios-ive-found-my-purpose/#giFD54Z0jQJszI7R.99


https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tenn...9/barry-cowan-nick-kyrgios-is-always-honest-/

 

[the AntiPusher]

I did and so what? What excuses? Nick served like crap and in case you STILL don't believe he clocked out after the first game maybe you'll believe it since he said it himself.

"Lahyani made a terrible call in the opening game of the match -- which affected the rest of the match.Kyrgios' shot hit the line on his break point -- a lineswoman initially said it's in before she called it out -- a challenge then revealed the ball was indeed in.Hadn't there been a wrong call, Kyrgios would have easily finished the play as he was at the net.

"I can't play at 100 percent if that stuff happens - and then you expect me not to be angry," Kyrgios told Lahyani at the changeover after the third game. "It's one call, it changes the match. And if I'm angry, I'm not going to win the match."

'I don’t know, I just got super frustrated. I just didn’t think it was fair, the first game in the match, break point. You set the tone early, come out, break him in the first game. It’s a replay of the point. It’s not really fair.''

''He played well. I played terribly''

"I lost a bit of composure after a rough line call in the first game of the match and never really recovered"

www.playersvoice.com.au/nick-kyrgios-ive-found-my-purpose/#giFD54Z0jQJszI7R.99


https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tenn...9/barry-cowan-nick-kyrgios-is-always-honest-/

Front ..Krygrios won less than 3 games..as Moxie and Carol and others stated,,,the game is more than Krygrios’s serve , its a complete effort..

It would be different if the score was close..just fess up and admit that Rafa is playing the best hardcourt tennis Summer and Fall. Bar none...

 

[Moxie]

I only commented as I found Carol's post all a bit laughable about a clinic by Nadal which didn't take into account Nick's horrible serving and complete clocking out after the bad call in the first game. I also said Nadal played very well but the usual suspects kept on calling me a troll for speaking the truth and were too busy ranting about nothing to even read my posts properly as usual. Also people can see plain as day that many people have posted the very same things I did but those 2 only saw fit to moan and reply to mine. Says it all really.

EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE knows damn well you don't beat Nick Kyrgios with a scoreline like that if he's playing anyway decent 'cos his serve alone makes things difficult. For the record, and especially for those 2 numbskulls moaning about everything I post even when it's the truth, as is often the case, I'd be saying the same thing if Federer beat Kyrgios by this scoreline. No one beats Kyrgios with that scoreline unless he's having a REALLY bad day. 3 TBs against Federer at Miami, for example. If he's serving well he either wins (2 consecutive wins against Djokovic not long ago) and beat Nadal at Cinci or loses by a very close margin. Since he didn't, anyone can tell he served like crap. Again at Laver Cup, Federer barely beat him by 2 points and was behind in the final set TB when Kyrgios was again playing very well.

I really wasn't making any point about any thing you said, my friend. Seriously. I was just commenting to MikeOne that I didn't think there was a lot of anyone not crediting Nadal with the win. And I don't think you're not. It's very true that Nick didn't bring anything like his A game. On the other hand, Nadal did.

As to your other post above, about the bad call, I know you're just quoting Nick, and that's fair. What I would say to his thinking, though, is that he has to learn not to let one bad call affect the rest of his day. That's not going to get him all the way through big tournaments. I like Nick, and I want to see him get the most out of his game. After a rough start (that nearly saw him off), I thought Rafa played a great tournament and well deserved the trophy.