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ftan said:
And JJ is through!!

So he'll meet Rafa for the first time...pretty excited for that! I heard Tommy Haas had to pull out due to his shoulder. Not good news, since that's one of his trouble areas. Hopefully just being cautious and protecting his USO.
 

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Moxie629 said:
ftan said:
And JJ is through!!

So he'll meet Rafa for the first time...pretty excited for that! I heard Tommy Haas had to pull out due to his shoulder. Not good news, since that's one of his trouble areas. Hopefully just being cautious and protecting his USO.

Tommy played way too much this year and especially since Wimby.
He should become more intelligent in scheduling if he wants to be
back in top 10.
 

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1972Murat said:
[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c9r15O1JVw[/video]

Good one Murat. Annie is on my favorite singer list. What a voice!
 

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Well-done Milos! Looking crafty and moving well there, at the end.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Moxie629 said:
ftan said:
And JJ is through!!

So he'll meet Rafa for the first time...pretty excited for that! I heard Tommy Haas had to pull out due to his shoulder. Not good news, since that's one of his trouble areas. Hopefully just being cautious and protecting his USO.

Tommy played way too much this year and especially since Wimby.
He should become more intelligent in scheduling if he wants to be
back in top 10.
Maybe he needs the bread\cash.. he does have to provide for his wife and daughter these days.. but I do understand your point maybe he will shut it down now and skip Cincy if he cant make some significant movement in his ranking and seeding for the USO
 

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1972Murat said:
Assuming Delpo wins against Ivan, Milos will have a good chance to see where his game is against Delpo. I expect Delpo to win, but I hope Milos makes it difficult for him.

I am already fancying this match - Del Po vs Raonic. Raonic's serve was lethal today and Youzny couldn't even get a proper bite on it. Even the 2nd serves were lethal. Got broken instead and lost the match. Oh well. I am sure there's life after Raonic's serves.
 

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1972Murat said:
[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c9r15O1JVw[/video]


I like it. I like your sense of humour.
 

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And Murray plays Gulbis next. A test this early already.
 

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Order of play Murray on 2nd Nadal match will be first.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/scores/schedule.aspx?year=2013&eventid=421
 

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oh great..del potro being messed around by rain for a 2nd week ..*gloom*

last week he had to play 2 matches in one day and another match was delayed until late evening..

boom boom boris Karloff, boom boom boris.
 

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1972Murat said:
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1972Murat said:
Darth, I do believe Nadal made Roger work harder and made him improve on certain things and those things helped him against other players, just not Nadal...

I'd be interested to hear your take on it. To my mind Roger tried to change his game a lot on clay and added the dropshot in his arsenal and it is a very good dropshot at that. But aside from that Rafa sucked up Roger's confidence (always an enormous thing in tennis) and the changes he made to try to get over the hump on clay may have hurt him on other surfaces.

One thing I can say with confidence is the fitness thing. Putting the last 2-3 years aside, Roger was one of the fittest guy out there and his movement was easily the best. Guys like Novak and Murray were holding their knees trying to catch a breath after long rallies, Roger was just waiting on the service line, ready to get going. I think Roger realized he had to be as fit as Rafa to beat him. Not always worked against Rafa, but surely worked against most of the field.
The backhand...not that it was not a solid shot, but I think he worked on it enough that it became a huge weapon for him. It was not enough to counter the high bouncing Rafa forehand, but he became really good at dealing with those balls and nobody else could exploit it. These days people say it is a weakness to exploit but I totally disagree. His weakness is not the shot, it is getting there to hit it properly.
Like you said, the dropper. It might be a direct result of Rafa playing from a different area code. I am not sure, but I think Rafa has something to do with Roger embracing a shot that he pretty much ridiculed before.
I agree with the confidence issue though, that some of his losses to Rafa came at bad times but he really managed it as best as he could and took it out of everyone else. Sure he could have done without them, but hey...

I don't think he was anymore fit due to Rafa. Fed was plenty fit even before Rafa showed up. Fitness only became an issue for Roger the past 2-3 years and its understandable given his age.

The backhand is a questionable one. There is no question Fed improved his backhand against Rafa, specifically against the high bouncing topspin. But I don't think the shot improved vs. the rest of the field if you are comparing it to his prime. A lot of it is movement but as you know the two are very related. Roger's slice used to be deadly and we saw it slip by 09 and now it is getting worse and worse. I don't think he defends well off that side anymore and he definitely does not hit the passing shots as well.

Now Roger will tell us that the backhand is better than ever but what's the alternative to praising the shot? It won't work for Roger to beg his opponents to hit it to the forehand :D

The dropshot was added around 2008 or 2009 if I remember. It was all about clay and dealing with Rafa in particular. That has been a good shot for him on all surfaces.
 

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Emma said:
And Murray plays Gulbis next. A test this early already.

Murray is 5-0 against Gulbis. However, they have not played each
other for a long time. Besides, Gulbis is a head case. Murray should
win this one, but not easily.
 

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according to the rogers cup site, they are drying the courts now.