Can You Say 2011??

[Fiero425]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

that's simply wrong, Novak 2011 had 3 majors and 1 semi (RG) plus 5 MS1000 is NOT as successful as Federer's 2006 with 3 majors and 1 final (also RG) plus 4 MS1000 AND WTF which is bigger than a MS1000 - Fed also had better win/loss ratio and higher ranking points.

You should have read down further where I noted Federer wasn't as dominant with his top rival while Nole owned Rafa in '11! :laydownlaughing :lolz: :angel:

 

[Ricardo]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

Actually, while I agree with your observation regarding Novak having the best year since Laver, it was Nadal who had the most "complete" year on all surfaces since unlike Federer and Djokovic, he won 3 majors on all 3 surfaces in 2010.

Well it was made more complete in my mind by defeating his #1 rival 6 times and twice on clay in straight sets! I can't imagine anyone surpassing that year of '11 results! :clap :nono :angel:

Let's simplify this whole thing for you:

3majors+1final > 3 majors+1semi
4MS1000+WTF > 5MS1000

There is just no way around it, clearly Fed06 surpassed Novak11 "RESULTS".

Supporting a player should not interfere with logical thinking.

 

[Ricardo]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

that's simply wrong, Novak 2011 had 3 majors and 1 semi (RG) plus 5 MS1000 is NOT as successful as Federer's 2006 with 3 majors and 1 final (also RG) plus 4 MS1000 AND WTF which is bigger than a MS1000 - Fed also had better win/loss ratio and higher ranking points.

You should have read down further where I noted Federer wasn't as dominant with his top rival while Nole owned Rafa in '11! :laydownlaughing :lolz: :angel:

i know you got embarrassed with your claim, which says Novak11 was more SUCCESSFUL...... it isn't, and as far as i know nobody has based the conclusion on how much ANY PLAYER beat their rivals...... do people even look up who Laver beat in his years?

now who is laughing? :laydownlaughing

 

[Fiero425]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

that's simply wrong, Novak 2011 had 3 majors and 1 semi (RG) plus 5 MS1000 is NOT as successful as Federer's 2006 with 3 majors and 1 final (also RG) plus 4 MS1000 AND WTF which is bigger than a MS1000 - Fed also had better win/loss ratio and higher ranking points.

You should have read down further where I noted Federer wasn't as dominant with his top rival while Nole owned Rafa in '11! :laydownlaughing :lolz: :angel:

i know you got embarrassed with your claim, which says Novak11 was more SUCCESSFUL...... it isn't, and as far as i know nobody has based the conclusion on how much ANY PLAYER beat their rivals...... do people even look up who Laver beat in his years?

now who is laughing? :laydownlaughing

I look at rivalries like Lew Hoad owned Rod Laver with a record of 7-0 over "The Rocket" IIRC!

 

[Ricardo]

Fiero claimed RESULTS, so i showed RESULTS..... how does he explain that 3 majors and 1 semi is BETTER RESULT than 3 majors and 1 final?

i am waiting...

 

[Ricardo]

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

that's simply wrong, Novak 2011 had 3 majors and 1 semi (RG) plus 5 MS1000 is NOT as successful as Federer's 2006 with 3 majors and 1 final (also RG) plus 4 MS1000 AND WTF which is bigger than a MS1000 - Fed also had better win/loss ratio and higher ranking points.

You should have read down further where I noted Federer wasn't as dominant with his top rival while Nole owned Rafa in '11! :laydownlaughing :lolz: :angel:

i know you got embarrassed with your claim, which says Novak11 was more SUCCESSFUL...... it isn't, and as far as i know nobody has based the conclusion on how much ANY PLAYER beat their rivals...... do people even look up who Laver beat in his years?

now who is laughing? :laydownlaughing

I look at rivalries like Lew Hoad owned Rod Laver with a record of 7-0 over "The Rocket" IIRC!

what does that even mean? that Laver's result was no good or what? if it's sh!t then why isn't Novak11 better?

many fans are funny people, they refuse to use their brains.....

 

[Fiero425]

Fiero claimed RESULTS, so i showed RESULTS..... how does he explain that 3 majors and 1 semi is BETTER RESULT than 3 majors and 1 final?

i am waiting...

:ras: lease: :chillout: :violins:

 

[Moxie]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

Actually, while I agree with your observation regarding Novak having the best year since Laver, it was Nadal who had the most "complete" year on all surfaces since unlike Federer and Djokovic, he won 3 majors on all 3 surfaces in 2010.

Well it was made more complete in my mind by defeating his #1 rival 6 times and twice on clay in straight sets! I can't imagine anyone surpassing that year of '11 results! :clap :nono :angel:

Let's simplify this whole thing for you:

3majors+1final > 3 majors+1semi
4MS1000+WTF > 5MS1000

There is just no way around it, clearly Fed06 surpassed Novak11 "RESULTS".

Supporting a player should not interfere with logical thinking.

By your own accounting, they are very close years. No reason to bludgeon Fiero over the difference, and claim victory. Surely there are fine points within them that make them debatable. Even the notion of 4 MS + the WTF is only debatably better than 5 MS wins. And amongst the fine-points is the quality of players that Djokovic beat that year.

 

[Kieran]

Exactly, sista.

I'm with Fiero on this one. Having Nadal as your rival in 2006 and 2011 were two very different propositions. Plus, Novak had a still very potent Roger to face, as we saw in Paris and New York.

Novak's great year wasn't built on the back of anything but his own previous failings, and his dominance of Rafa (something Roger couldn't manage in 2006, even when Rafa was young), was the most exhilarating and scary thing I ever saw on a tennis court, maybe since McEnroe...

 

[brokenshoelace]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

Actually, while I agree with your observation regarding Novak having the best year since Laver, it was Nadal who had the most "complete" year on all surfaces since unlike Federer and Djokovic, he won 3 majors on all 3 surfaces in 2010.

Well it was made more complete in my mind by defeating his #1 rival 6 times and twice on clay in straight sets! I can't imagine anyone surpassing that year of '11 results! :clap :nono :angel:

Let's simplify this whole thing for you:

3majors+1final > 3 majors+1semi
4MS1000+WTF > 5MS1000

There is just no way around it, clearly Fed06 surpassed Novak11 "RESULTS".

Supporting a player should not interfere with logical thinking.

Yeah, what he said.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Lol! This is bizarre... How do you folks come up with this stuff?

Hmmm, I thought it was called discussion and intelligent thought! :huh: :nono uzzled :angel:

OK, I'm still waiting for that second half of the statement.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

that's simply wrong, Novak 2011 had 3 majors and 1 semi (RG) plus 5 MS1000 is NOT as successful as Federer's 2006 with 3 majors and 1 final (also RG) plus 4 MS1000 AND WTF which is bigger than a MS1000 - Fed also had better win/loss ratio and higher ranking points.

You should have read down further where I noted Federer wasn't as dominant with his top rival while Nole owned Rafa in '11! :laydownlaughing :lolz: :angel:

And that counts for how many tournaments and ranking points?

Winning a tournament > dominating your rival.

I know some will forever try to act otherwise due to obvious agendas, but this is a fact.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

Actually, while I agree with your observation regarding Novak having the best year since Laver, it was Nadal who had the most "complete" year on all surfaces since unlike Federer and Djokovic, he won 3 majors on all 3 surfaces in 2010.

Well it was made more complete in my mind by defeating his #1 rival 6 times and twice on clay in straight sets! I can't imagine anyone surpassing that year of '11 results! :clap :nono :angel:

Let's simplify this whole thing for you:

3majors+1final > 3 majors+1semi
4MS1000+WTF > 5MS1000

There is just no way around it, clearly Fed06 surpassed Novak11 "RESULTS".

Supporting a player should not interfere with logical thinking.

By your own accounting, they are very close years. No reason to bludgeon Fiero over the difference, and claim victory. Surely there are fine points within them that make them debatable. Even the notion of 4 MS + the WTF is only debatably better than 5 MS wins. And amongst the fine-points is the quality of players that Djokovic beat that year.

I wonder why that same post isn't directed at Fiero who said that "without a doubt, Nole's 2011 was better than Fed's 2006."

Since they're such close years, surely there must be "doubt."

 

[DarthFed]

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

Actually, while I agree with your observation regarding Novak having the best year since Laver, it was Nadal who had the most "complete" year on all surfaces since unlike Federer and Djokovic, he won 3 majors on all 3 surfaces in 2010.

Well it was made more complete in my mind by defeating his #1 rival 6 times and twice on clay in straight sets! I can't imagine anyone surpassing that year of '11 results! :clap :nono :angel:

Let's simplify this whole thing for you:

3majors+1final > 3 majors+1semi
4MS1000+WTF > 5MS1000

There is just no way around it, clearly Fed06 surpassed Novak11 "RESULTS".

Supporting a player should not interfere with logical thinking.

By your own accounting, they are very close years. No reason to bludgeon Fiero over the difference, and claim victory. Surely there are fine points within them that make them debatable. Even the notion of 4 MS + the WTF is only debatably better than 5 MS wins. And amongst the fine-points is the quality of players that Djokovic beat that year.

Actually it isn't debatable that 5 MS is better than 4 MS and a YEC. YEC is a bigger deal than MS events without question. Roger had the better results and a much better winning % but part of what made Nole's year so special is what Fiero and Kieran alluded to...10-1 against Rafa and Roger.

But it should also be said that younger Nadal was arguably better on clay than the older one even though he is much better on the other surfaces now. Losing to Rafa on clay in 06 was certainly more quality than losing to 30 year old Roger on clay.

 

[Moxie]

Actually, while I agree with your observation regarding Novak having the best year since Laver, it was Nadal who had the most "complete" year on all surfaces since unlike Federer and Djokovic, he won 3 majors on all 3 surfaces in 2010.

Well it was made more complete in my mind by defeating his #1 rival 6 times and twice on clay in straight sets! I can't imagine anyone surpassing that year of '11 results! :clap :nono :angel:

Let's simplify this whole thing for you:

3majors+1final > 3 majors+1semi
4MS1000+WTF > 5MS1000

There is just no way around it, clearly Fed06 surpassed Novak11 "RESULTS".

Supporting a player should not interfere with logical thinking.

By your own accounting, they are very close years. No reason to bludgeon Fiero over the difference, and claim victory. Surely there are fine points within them that make them debatable. Even the notion of 4 MS + the WTF is only debatably better than 5 MS wins. And amongst the fine-points is the quality of players that Djokovic beat that year.

Actually it isn't debatable that 5 MS is better than 4 MS and a YEC. YEC is a bigger deal than MS events without question. Roger had the better results and a much better winning % but part of what made Nole's year so special is what Fiero and Kieran alluded to...10-1 against Rafa and Roger.

But it should also be said that younger Nadal was arguably better on clay than the older one even though he is much better on the other surfaces now. Losing to Rafa on clay in 06 was certainly more quality than losing to 30 year old Roger on clay.

Why isn't it debatable? I think we've debated it a few times over the years. And why is everyone so set in their ways all of a sudden, where nothing is 'debatable', and everything is 'without a doubt.' How are we supposed to have a discussion?

 

[DarthFed]

YEC = more points, more money and more prestige. How is it debatable that an MS win carries as much weight as winning YEC?

 

[Moxie]

^ I know it's worth more points. The debate is that it's the outlier in terms of format, and personally, I never had it much on my radar until sometime in the last decade, when it got more hyped, (and I got more interested in tennis, tbh.) But they used to play it in NYC where I live and I didn't know about it.

 

[Federberg]

^^what do you mean "2011" you don't get it :huh:..yes you do.

Without a doubt, Nole's '11 was the most successful season for a male pro since Laver's Grand Slam in '69! You've had Federer, Nadal, Wilander, and Connors with 3 majors, but it wasn't as complete as Novak's domination on all surfaces taking 5 or 6 Masters with those Slams! :clap

that's simply wrong, Novak 2011 had 3 majors and 1 semi (RG) plus 5 MS1000 is NOT as successful as Federer's 2006 with 3 majors and 1 final (also RG) plus 4 MS1000 AND WTF which is bigger than a MS1000 - Fed also had better win/loss ratio and higher ranking points.

You should have read down further where I noted Federer wasn't as dominant with his top rival while Nole owned Rafa in '11! :laydownlaughing :lolz: :angel:

And that counts for how many tournaments and ranking points?

Winning a tournament > dominating your rival.

I know some will forever try to act otherwise due to obvious agendas, but this is a fact.

I'm so relieved you said this. Thanks B_S

 

[Kieran]

Winning five MS titles in a season was some sort of record, no? And then taking down Rafa, who had a career year in 2010.

By the way, 2006 was a great year, so were many others, but in terms of difficulty and outright greatness, I'd give it to Nole in a straightener between 2006 and 2011. Facing down Rafa and also having Roger there as a tormentor was so much more difficult a year than whatever Roger faced in 2006, leaving aside the fact that Nole had so many failings of his past to overcome...

 

[Ricardo]

^ I know it's worth more points. The debate is that it's the outlier in terms of format, and personally, I never had it much on my radar until sometime in the last decade, when it got more hyped, (and I got more interested in tennis, tbh.) But they used to play it in NYC where I live and I didn't know about it.

doesn't surprise me that you are very uninformed and clueless..... like i said before, look at the way you argue and debate things :laydownlaughing

ok so if it's all debatable, that WTF isn't bigger than MS1000; so its also debatable that a MS1000 isn't bigger than a ATP500..... is that where you are going? i always knew you have huge flaws in your thinking, well demonstrated here. But maybe you should consider stopping arguing just for the sake of it? uzzled

or we can cut the crap and just stick with established facts:

Majors > WTF > MS1000 > ATP500 > ATP250 > challengers