Can Carpet courts make a comeback?

[Moxie]

If my bathroom floor was grass, in no time it'd look like the grass during the second week of Wimbledon.

If my bathroom floor were grass, in no time at all, little flowers would start growing, too. It would look and smell lovely. Your grass would be, as you say, worn down from over-use, and covered in reading material. That's the difference between men and women. :heart::lulz2:

 

[Moxie]

 

[I.Haychew]

If they would play tennis on ice, they'd be in, as they think it would favor Roger.

Maybe not ice, but playing on, and surrounded by, mirrored glass, like that crazy carnival funhouse distorted mirrored glass, could be interesting.

 

[Moxie]

Maybe not ice, but playing on mirrored glass could be interesting.

You know, for as much as Nadal fans get shit for asking that the YEC revolve locations and surfaces, Fed fans feel completely within their rights to complain about the surface changes on all of the rest of the entire tour. Funny, innit?

 

[I.Haychew]

You know, for as much as Nadal fans get shit for asking that the YEC revolve locations and surfaces, Fed fans feel completely within their rights to complain about the surface changes on all of the rest of the entire tour. Funny, innit?

What surface changes? The "speed" of the surfaces? Or the actual surfaces?

 

[Moxie]

What surface changes?

Where u been? The slowing down of Wimbledon, AO, USO...it goes on. Ask @DarthFed. As far as some are concerned, most of the surfaces have been slowed, to the detriment of Roger, in particular. That was why the joke about ice, tile, mirrors, etc.

 

[atttomole]

You know, for as much as Nadal fans get shit for asking that the YEC revolve locations and surfaces, Fed fans feel completely within their rights to complain about the surface changes on all of the rest of the entire tour. Funny, innit?

Why should the YEC be rotated? The problem is that faster surfaces such as grass and the US Open have been slowed down, favoring Nadal in the process. Fast surfaces are becoming rarer. We should go back to the 90's, when surfaces were specialized and the versatility of players was tested.

 

[I.Haychew]

You replied before I edited. I'm fine with slowing down hards and grass, as long as clay is made faster. How 'bout all of the clay events be played on "2009 Madrid blue clay". Or maybe bring back carpet events and play them on shag carpet, to slow it down a bit?

 

[Moxie]

Why should the YEC be rotated? The problem is that faster surfaces such as grass and the US Open have been slowed down, favoring Nadal in the process. Fast surfaces are becoming rarer. We should go back to the 90's, when surfaces were specialized and the versatility of players was tested.

Those are two different questions. If you want more variety of surface, then, arguably, you want more variety of winners. That's fine. But if you want more variety of winners, then the YEC should be rotated by surface and venue to also reflect the variety of surface, and a player's adaptability.

 

[Moxie]

You replied before I edited. I'm fine with slowing down hards and grass, as long as clay is made faster. How 'bout all of the clay events be played on "2009 Madrid blue clay". Or maybe bring back carpet events and play them on shag carpet, to slow it down a bit?

LOL shag carpet. Clay cannot be speeded up. Whatever you play Madrid on, the difference is altitude. MC, Rome, Barcelona, RG and most of the others are played at sea level. And on old, cured clay. That reacts to weather. Would you do away with clay, altogether? Otherwise, it's going to be what it is, as a natural surface. When it's hot and dry, it's plays pretty fast and bouncy. When the weather is heavy, it plays different. How would you change that?

 

[atttomole]

Those are two different questions. If you want more variety of surface, then, arguably, you want more variety of winners. That's fine. But if you want more variety of winners, then the YEC should be rotated by surface and venue to also reflect the variety of surface, and a player's adaptability.

Not exactly. A versatile player can win on different surfaces. We have more complete players playing currently who can win on slow and fast surfaces. Best example being Roger Federer. A player with manifold talents can win anywhere. I think different players have won the YEC. Roger, Djokovic and Dimitrov have won it.

 

[I.Haychew]

LOL shag carpet. Clay cannot be speeded up. Whatever you play Madrid on, the difference is altitude. MC, Rome, Barcelona, RG and most of the others are played at sea level. And on old, cured clay. That reacts to weather. Would you do away with clay, altogether? Otherwise, it's going to be what it is, as a natural surface. When it's hot and dry, it's plays pretty fast and bouncy. When the weather is heavy, it plays different. How would you change that?

If I remember correctly, the blue clay of Madrid was considered to be a layer of dirt on top of concrete. Not saying that it was a good thing...just different. I'm guessing that that, plus the altitude, made a difference. I'm not anti-clay, not even natural, "slow", clay.

 

[I.Haychew]

Clay cannot be speeded up. When the weather is heavy, it plays different. How would you change that?

Play indoors (pick you location) on "Madrid blue clay" (a layer of dirt on concrete).

 

[Moxie]

Not exactly. A versatile player can win on different surfaces. We have more complete players playing currently who can win on slow and fast surfaces. Best example being Roger Federer. A player with manifold talents can win anywhere. I think different players have won the YEC. Roger, Djokovic and Dimitrov have won it.

I know you won't pretend that Federer is a usual example. Nor Djokovic. Dimitrov just won it by default last year. Not a great variety of players have not won at YEC in the last long years.

 

[Moxie]

If I remember correctly, the 2009 blue clay of Madrid was considered to be a layer of dirt on top of concrete. Not saying that it was a good thing...just different. I'm guessing that that, plus the altitude, made a difference. I'm not anti-clay, not even natural, "slow", clay.

All of Madrid is considered to be a layer of dirt on concrete. It's doesn't matter if you make it blue or red. It's a pretty hard surface, and at 2000+ feet altitude. Red or blue doesn't really matter.

 

[I.Haychew]

All of Madrid is considered to be a layer of dirt on concrete. It's doesn't matter if you make it blue or red. It's a pretty hard surface, and at 2000+ feet altitude. Red or blue doesn't really matter.

Blue, red, whatever. I got my years mixed up. Madrid's altitude is most likely a big factor. Take Madrid's clay surface, put it indoors at whatever location you want, and see what happens...
...Is Madrid hardcourt these days?

 

[Moxie]

Blue, red, whatever. I got my years mixed up. Madrid's altitude is most likely a big factor. Take Madrid's clay surface, put it indoors at whatever location you want, and see what happens...
...Is Madrid hardcourt these days?

No, Madrid is considered clay. It used to be indoor HC (which Rafa won, btw.) And yes, the altitude is a feature. It's the highest altitude of all the MS1000s...by a lot.

 

[I.Haychew]

No, Madrid is considered clay. It used to be indoor HC (which Rafa won, btw.) And yes, the altitude is a feature. It's the highest altitude of all the MS1000s...by a lot.

Understood

 

[britbox]

We have rebound ace in our bathroom.

 

[Moxie]

We have rebound ace in our bathroom.

I'd hate to be the one to clean your bathroom ceiling.