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I never said their matches weren't compelling by the masses; just not a real rivalry until what you want to call it now! The #'s don't lie! :whistle:
I didn't make it up. They were 1 and 2 in the world for 6 years. They played some epic matches. Borg/McEnroe is considered a classic rivalry and they only played 14 matches, and I don't think as many nail-biters as Federer/Nadal. One of the reasons that Fedal is compelling is the same reason as Borg-McEnroe: the stark contrast in styles. I'm shocked at your misunderstanding of drama, given that you're such a drama queen.
 

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I didn't make it up. They were 1 and 2 in the world for 6 years. They played some epic matches. Borg/McEnroe is considered a classic rivalry and they only played 14 matches, and I don't think as many nail-biters as Federer/Nadal. One of the reasons that Fedal is compelling is the same reason as Borg-McEnroe: the stark contrast in styles. I'm shocked at your misunderstanding of drama, given that you're such a drama queen.

I guess I have to spell it out for you since you aren't taking in what I'm saying! McEnroe/Borg had only 14 matches, but the rivalry was entirely real and epic with it being "even-Steven," 7 wins apiece! Now with Fedal, it's gotten better in the last couple years with Roger finally having a good run, but it's still nowhere near as comp. with Nadal owning it 23-15 even w/ the 5 straight wins by Roger! :whistle: :nono: :facepalm:
 

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I guess I have to spell it out for you since you aren't taking in what I'm saying! McEnroe/Borg had only 14 matches, but the rivalry was entirely real and epic with it being "even-Steven," 7 wins apiece! Now with Fedal, it's gotten better in the last couple years with Roger finally having a good run, but it's still nowhere near as comp. with Nadal owning it 23-15 even w/ the 5 straight wins by Roger! :whistle: :nono: :facepalm:
So you think that the h2h numbers matter more than the number of epic matches, finals in Majors, and wrestling for #1 over the years, including this one? I beg to differ, and so does the media, the tennis world, and ESPN, who made a film about them.
 

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No, Chris is right...I was just referring to the original suggestion, which seemed pointlessly fannish and silly to me, but you have every right to treat it seriously. I know for sure you are no troll. :smooch:
O.K. Thank you very much. I agree with you but as I'd said something before-hand that could have caused an argument I decided to develop NadalFan's idea with a bit of imagination to save animosity & confrontation as I knew his/her suggestion of a Rafa film without Fed wouldn't work & it might cause repercussions with Fed fans. As I did that I thought you were referring to me too. I'm very sorry. I was wrong.
 
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I'm not trying to leave out Novak on purpose, but you're right that he's a 3rd wheel. I'm just saying what works for history and neat packagings. Sorry for Novak, but the conversation will always be about Roger and Rafa. It has been a great rivalry. Epic matches. Back and forth with #1/#2 for six solid years. In the historical tennis conversation, of course Nole is in there. When they make the movie, I'm sorry...he doesn't fit.
Funnily enough, in the interview that Toni Nadal gave to the Diario Vasco that I cited in the Djokovic fans thread, he was asked about a Fedal movie, like the Borg/McEnroe one. He allowed as how they also had similarly contrasting styles and it might eventually make it to the big screen. No mention by questioner or in response of Djokovic, but I guess we'll have to wait for the movie. :popcorn
 

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Back to the thread :

Borg was admittedly burned out after the 1981 USO but it doesn’t seem as if at first he thought it was more than an just an extended sabbatical.


People forget Borg was winning DC matches at the insane age of 15/16 and was playing on the tour soon afterward. Beat Arthur Ashe at the USO grass by age 17, and won the French by age 18, and won 5 straight Wimbledons by age 24.. He had like 11 years on the tour by age 25.

What happened was he decided he wouldn’t return to a full schedule. Borg wanted to play Monte Carlo and the tennis powers insisted that if he didn’t commit to their mandatory x number of tournaments entered he would have to play the friggin qualifying rounds of the tournaments.

Borg said “screw that” and THEN the sabbatical became permanent.

There are a lot of ironies in the Borg/McEnroe saga. Not the least was Mac bemoaning Borg retiring early at age 25 and depriving them of future matches/motivation, and yet Mac himself never won a Major past the age of 25.

Both players were dogged for years of rumors of drug/coke usage, to which Mac subsequently admitted to.

Borg did invest in a struggling clothing line named after himself that ate millions of $$$; don’t know if he did spend a lot on drugs/Coke, but you can certainly lose your shirt on bad business deals.

Ask Dan Marino and Curt Schilling among others.
 
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Back to the thread :

Borg was admittedly burned out after the 1981 USO but it doesn’t seem as if at first he thought it was more than an just an extended sabbatical.


People forget Borg was winning DC matches at the insane age of 15/16 and was playing on the tour soon afterward. Beat Arthur Ashe at the USO grass by age 17, and won the French by age 18, and won 5 straight Wimbledons by age 24.. He had like 11 years on the tour by age 25.

What happened was he decided he wouldn’t return to a full schedule. Borg wanted to play Monte Carlo and the tennis powers insisted that if he didn’t commit to their mandatory x number of tournaments entered he would have to play the friggin qualifying rounds of the tournaments.

Borg said “screw that” and THEN the sabbatical became permanent.

There are a lot of ironies in the Borg/McEnroe saga. Not the least was Mac bemoaning Borg retiring early at age 25 and depriving them of future matches/motivation, and yet Mac himself never won a Major past the age of 25.

Both players were dogged for years of rumors of drug/coke usage, to which Mac subsequently admitted to.

Borg did invest in a struggling clothing line named after himself that ate millions of $$$; don’t know if he did spend a lot on drugs/Coke, but you can certainly lose your shirt on bad business deals.

Ask Dan Marino and Curt Schilling among others.

Thanks! People need to know this is why Borg retired early! Besides being just plain burned out after so many years of winning, the ATP were being real a-holes and wouldn't grant him much needed time off! He would have likely won several more FO's alone! He was the unquestioned King of clay; only 1 person having the game to defeat him on his home court at RG, Adriano Panatta! He was Borg's Soderling! Some had the notion McEnroe ran him off the tour after defeating him in '81's Wimbl. & USO; total BS! They were rivals and friends! IIRC they were like Graf & Navratilova and were "even Steven" in their records against one another! I also remember that clothing line was on a ship that sunk and wasn't insured which also contributed to his financial difficulties! They didn't make real $$ on tour or with endorsements the way they do now! If in the top echelons of tennis back in the 70's, you were lucky to gross $200,000 on the tour! He should have done like Connors and "whored" himself out for "winner take all" exhibitions, but didn't at the time! I still haven't seen the Borg/McEnroe movie, so had no idea he had a drug problem! I thought his infatuation with an Italian singer (Loredana Bertè) was what sent him spiraling out of control, but I may never really know all, contributing to his mystique! :whistle: :yesyes: :p :rolleyes: :ptennis:
 
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Very bad movie besides it shows a very introverted Borg and of course a crazy life between tournaments by Mac

 

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On Tennis Channel, they're still doing the Top Ten! This week it's the best seasons; Nole's 2015 below McEnroe's '84! I expected Navratilova's '83 to be high @ #3 on the list with only one loss! The 2 Grand Slam winners took the top 2 spots; Laver in '69 was #2 with Graf at the top from '88! :whistle: :oops: :rolleyes: :ptennis:
 

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Mac’s 1984 was insane, almost complete domination; however....a set away from winning RG versus Lendl, wasn’t he up a break in that third set? Alas lost it in five...

He says he’s still haunted by that loss.
 
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Mac’s 1984 was insane, almost complete domination; however....a set away from winning RG versus Lendl, wasn’t he up a break in that third set? Alas lost it in five...

He says he’s still haunted by that loss.

IIRC John was up a break in the 3rd and decided to get testy with cameramen, linesmen, and the crowd! He even called it a choke! :whistle: :rolleyes: