BNP Paribas Masters 1000, Paris

[Moxie]

Thanks for the wider explanation, MC. It would be interesting if there were more info on other tournaments, as you say.

However, I don't see what we learn from the past 6 years based on slower/faster in Paris. In 2010, you say the courts were faster, yet Federer lost early to Monfils, and Soderling beat Monfils in the finals. I would have thought that a fast indoor HC favors Fed. And Soderling was actually favored on slower courts. 2011, they slowed them down to Medium-slow Tsonga beat Isner, who, as a big server, maybe not benefitted by the slowing of the courts, and this is when Fed finally won Paris. 2012: Med-slow: Ferrer won. 2013-15: Medium-slow: Djokovic; 2016: Faster surface: final is Isner v. Murray.

In my opinion, a factor of Paris is that it is the last MS1000 of the year. Players are injured, jaded, etc. That's why Paris wanted to move to Feb. And is also why, Roger, of all indoor players, didn't win it until 2011. I really wonder if the surface matters as much as its placement in the calendar. And its effort to match the O2 surface has precedent, so there's nothing wrong with that. Just wanting it to be fast "because" isn't the best argument.

 

[teddytennisfan]

lindsay, justin and moderator after the match spent a few minutes congratulating andy murray -- and then spent lots of minutes talkinga bout


''IF JOHN isner puts everything together he's a huge, huge threat".
"whenever john isner plays the way he can play -- he should get over the hump"..|"it's termendous to see john isner finish the year again...

as US number one"...

"it's amazing to see john isner get BACK into the top 20"...
"

JOHN ISNER IS THE REVELATION OF TENNIS.

oh by the way -- congrats andy murray...

 

[Ricardo]

lindsay, justin and moderator after the match spent a few minutes congratulating andy murray -- and then spent lots of minutes talkinga bout


''IF JOHN isner puts everything together he's a huge, huge threat".
"whenever john isner plays the way he can play -- he should get over the hump"..|"it's termendous to see john isner finish the year again...

as US number one"...

"it's amazing to see john isner get BACK into the top 20"...
"

JOHN ISNER IS THE REVELATION OF TENNIS.

oh by the way -- congrats andy murray...

weak competition?

 

[britbox]

Andy Murray d. John Isner 6-3 6-7 (4-7) 6-4

 

[Tennis Fan]

PROBABLY it is still up for grab next week.

they mentioned that he's around 250 points earned above Nole. so it can be overturned if Nole wins next week.

i think....

I think Novak will be ultra motivated to wrestle the #1 away at the last minute and Andy will have a lot to deal with from finally ascending to the top spot. There has to be a bit of a lag, playing so good the second half of the year, cramming in some very important events, Wimbledon, Olympics, gaining points, and now he's finally done it. Will there be a letdown? Stay tuned we'll all know in a matter of weeks.

 

[Tennis Fan]

lindsay, justin and moderator after the match spent a few minutes congratulating andy murray -- and then spent lots of minutes talkinga bout


''IF JOHN isner puts everything together he's a huge, huge threat".
"whenever john isner plays the way he can play -- he should get over the hump"..|"it's termendous to see john isner finish the year again...

as US number one"...

"it's amazing to see john isner get BACK into the top 20"...
"

JOHN ISNER IS THE REVELATION OF TENNIS.

oh by the way -- congrats andy murray...

Ha ha ha, I noticed that too. Did they seriously think Isner was going to beat Murray after the exhilaration of being #1 in the world for the first time? Anyway, that match was anti-climatic. It always seemed like a foregone conclusion to me.

 

[Moxie]

Now that Murray has won Paris it got me wondering which MS events are missing from his trophy room. I think it is only Indian Wells and Monte Carlo. Quite an amazing run of form, given the state of Djoker and the absence of Fed he has his best chance yet at winning a YEC.

I think you're right. And he's been to the finals of Indian Wells, though hasn't featured much in MC. That means, of the big 4, (and I still think they can be discussed as The Big 4,) Novak is only missing Cincy, and the other 3 are only missing 2 each. I guess it's no wonder that we have so many players with no or 1 MS1000, or Major winners without one, or just one.

The YEC will be exciting. It's going to be all chips on the table between Andy and Novak. Rather like the 2008 Wimbledon for Rafa and Roger. Andy does seem calm and purposeful.

 

[Ricardo]

Ha ha ha, I noticed that too. Did they seriously think Isner was going to beat Murray after the exhilaration of being #1 in the world for the first time? Anyway, that match was anti-climatic. It always seemed like a foregone conclusion to me.

seem like foregone conclusion to idiots only. if it is, why play? don't get smart. Djoker beating Querry should've been a foregone conclusion too, but don't bother with your explanation which insults our intelligence anyway.

 

[Moxie]

seem like foregone conclusion to idiots only. if it is, why play? don't get smart. Djoker beating Querry should've been a foregone conclusion too, but don't bother with your explanation which insults our intelligence anyway.

It did go 3 and was 6-4 in the 3rd. Isner is a big server, and, however much he is maligned, he's a solid player. And Murray could easily have tightened up, given the week he had. So no foregone conclusions. Isner made it a tough match, in fairness.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Ha ha ha, I noticed that too. Did they seriously think Isner was going to beat Murray after the exhilaration of being #1 in the world for the first time? Anyway, that match was anti-climatic. It always seemed like a foregone conclusion to me.

THANK GOODNESS YOU ALREADY CAUGHT THAT TOO.

I THOUGHT i was just imagining it and being too cynical . mainly i ''noticed' itbecause as the tv was on (i was just checking for a bit of the rerun and caught some towards the end plus the commentators) -- i wasn't REALLY watching the match anymore -- and reading something online at the computer...

but i kept hearing "john isner, john isner this, john isner, , john isner, john isner" -- droning on and on for several minutes -- after the requisite quick talk about andy murray -- before they went on to talk about doubles.....

that's how it struck me : ''they are talking about john this and that? this is ANDY MURRAY'S DAY , WEEK M TOURNAMENT""!!

that's why i typed up and posted my impression...so wasn't so wrong after all. lol.

 

[teddytennisfan]

weak competition?

hha-- i guess this is always a discussion in or about any period. but Britbox did remark a perspective...indeed...

he said -- it might have been nice if Djokovic managed to get through and to finals and then give it more spice --and i think i can see Britbox's point:

a good match to also see the NEW world number ONE ANDY since the day before -- with the just hours 'toppled" number one of so many months - NOLE.
can you imagine the tension and all that and combativeness? oh my!!

and when i read what Britbox brought up -- it recalled how i personally preferred it ti see a world number TWO KNOCK OUT or confirm the ascension by a face to face ..
it's more dramatic when you see a ''successor" take the throne STRAIGHT from the predecessor's hands.like for example the way NADAL did it to Roger ...or the way NOLE did it with face-offs with NADAL...BUT as they say -- the players can only beat who's in front of them.

 

[Tennis Fan]

seem like foregone conclusion to idiots only. if it is, why play? don't get smart. Djoker beating Querry should've been a foregone conclusion too, but don't bother with your explanation which insults our intelligence anyway.

Aw, now you're stalking me. Cute.

 

[Tennis Fan]

THANK GOODNESS YOU ALREADY CAUGHT THAT TOO.

I THOUGHT i was just imagining it and being too cynical . mainly i ''noticed' itbecause as the tv was on (i was just checking for a bit of the rerun and caught some towards the end plus the commentators) -- i wasn't REALLY watching the match anymore -- and reading something online at the computer...

but i kept hearing "john isner, john isner this, john isner, , john isner, john isner" -- droning on and on for several minutes -- after the requisite quick talk about andy murray -- before they went on to talk about doubles.....

that's how it struck me : ''they are talking about john this and that? this is ANDY MURRAY'S DAY , WEEK M TOURNAMENT""!!

that's why i typed up and posted my impression...so wasn't so wrong after all. lol.

THANK GOODNESS YOU ALREADY CAUGHT THAT TOO.

I THOUGHT i was just imagining it and being too cynical . mainly i ''noticed' itbecause as the tv was on (i was just checking for a bit of the rerun and caught some towards the end plus the commentators) -- i wasn't REALLY watching the match anymore -- and reading something online at the computer...

but i kept hearing "john isner, john isner this, john isner, , john isner, john isner" -- droning on and on for several minutes -- after the requisite quick talk about andy murray -- before they went on to talk about doubles.....

that's how it struck me : ''they are talking about john this and that? this is ANDY MURRAY'S DAY , WEEK M TOURNAMENT""!!

that's why i typed up and posted my impression...so wasn't so wrong after all. lol.

Yeah, they do that all the time with the American players. Over hype. I was just shaking my head. Nope, you weren't imagining it. It was overkill.

 

[Ricardo]

It would be interesting if Lendl says this to Murray, 'i have taken you little gutless whinger so far, now that you've accomplished some very important goals i see it's time i go back to golf and you just carry on'.

do you think Murray will remain strong or go back to feeling sorry for himself kind of player?

 

[Ricardo]

Aw, now you're stalking me. Cute.

stalking you by pointing out your stupidity, yeah sure....go take some med lol

 

[britbox]

hha-- i guess this is always a discussion in or about any period. but Britbox did remark a perspective...indeed...

he said -- it might have been nice if Djokovic managed to get through and to finals and then give it more spice --and i think i can see Britbox's point:

a good match to also see the NEW world number ONE ANDY since the day before -- with the just hours 'toppled" number one of so many months - NOLE.
can you imagine the tension and all that and combativeness? oh my!!

and when i read what Britbox brought up -- it recalled how i personally preferred it ti see a world number TWO KNOCK OUT or confirm the ascension by a face to face ..
it's more dramatic when you see a ''successor" take the throne STRAIGHT from the predecessor's hands.like for example the way NADAL did it to Roger ...or the way NOLE did it with face-offs with NADAL...BUT as they say -- the players can only beat who's in front of them.

So if Novak wins the YEC, then I guess he takes it back?

Murray / Djokovic final for Number One would be good... although i haven't crunched the numbers and not sure if that scenario would determine Number 1.

 

[isabelle]

So if Novak wins the YEC, then I guess he takes it back?

Murray / Djokovic final for Number One would be good... although i haven't crunched the numbers and not sure if that scenario would determine Number 1.

to be honest, I'ld be surprised if Nole won Masters 2016, he didn't seem in top form the last week and I wonder if he's able to put his act together within 1 week
for me the huge favorite in London is Sir Andy

 

[Mary]

It would be interesting if Lendl says this to Murray, 'i have taken you little gutless whinger so far, now that you've accomplished some very important goals i see it's time i go back to golf and you just carry on'.

do you think Murray will remain strong or go back to feeling sorry for himself kind of player?

You never know, now he's got the no 1 slot he may be inspired to stop the never ending whining and moaning but I doubt it! Doubtless he'll join our ex pms wife's hair dresser in the New Year honours list!

 

[Ricardo]

hha-- i guess this is always a discussion in or about any period. but Britbox did remark a perspective...indeed...

he said -- it might have been nice if Djokovic managed to get through and to finals and then give it more spice --and i think i can see Britbox's point:

a good match to also see the NEW world number ONE ANDY since the day before -- with the just hours 'toppled" number one of so many months - NOLE.
can you imagine the tension and all that and combativeness? oh my!!

and when i read what Britbox brought up -- it recalled how i personally preferred it ti see a world number TWO KNOCK OUT or confirm the ascension by a face to face ..
it's more dramatic when you see a ''successor" take the throne STRAIGHT from the predecessor's hands.like for example the way NADAL did it to Roger ...or the way NOLE did it with face-offs with NADAL...BUT as they say -- the players can only beat who's in front of them.

now that you've mentioned it, is Murray less deserving of his top position because he didn't go through Novak? considering all you said about weak competition all these years.......

 

[Ricardo]

You never know, now he's got the no 1 slot he may be inspired to stop the never ending whining and moaning but I doubt it! Doubtless he'll join our ex pms wife's hair dresser in the New Year honours list!

oh yes he will too. i think he will go back to his former self if Ivan hangs up on him. Lendl really did magic to the whiner, I have never seen a coach having such dramatic effect on a player's performance and result.