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I don't think Murray will face any backlash at Wimbledon, or if he does, it'll be typically muted, or cheerful. The British are polite during Wimbledon, and if he plays a few Davis Cup matches and kisses the flag, etc, they'll get over it.

Who will they cheer, if not Andy? The Deathless One? They cheer him anyway. I think Andy will find that some sections are less vociferous in support, but that'll be the extent of it...
 

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Dimi/Verdy split sets and are on serve in the decider 1-1. Compelling match so far.
 

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Moxie629 said:
^I agree that not all threads are without a bit of bleed-over, and I have no problem with that. But, in this particular case, I don't see how discussing it is going to make it different: yes, Murray's going to get a hard time for speaking out on separation, or, no, he's not. It becomes a conversation about separation, then, and yes, should be left to Off Topic. There isn't really any fine-point to it, nor anything that has to do with his tennis.

The issue of Djokovic tax-sheltering in Monaco is different, if you really want to bring that back up. He flies the Serbian standard very high, and plays DC for Serbia quite proudly. His "Serbian" identification has quite a lot to do with who he is, according to him, and yet he has his residence elsewhere, for tax reasons. I never questioned whether he was truly a Serbian citizen, though, yes, I have asked about the hypocrisy of caring about your country so much, and tax-sheltering out of it. It's not political or off-topic to comment on Djokovic's playing choices v. his homestead ones, because he, himself, blurs the lines.

Murray is British. He lives in Britain, and pays his taxes there. (And THAT can't be easy. OK, he spends a lot of his time in FL, but I don't see that he's transferred his residence to the US.) He made a comment about the referendum on separation. As many have said, it was as much complaining about the negativing about the NO campaign, which was fairly universal.

I'm not trying to give Murray a pass and Djokovic a hard time, but one is about a specific political moment, and the other is about a life-choice that speaks to a broader ethical decision.

To your point about people discussing what Murray had to say, and how it might be greeted in London, I don't have a problem with it being discussed, per se, but my point is: we won't know until we get there. So I don't get why GSM wants to push the notion that it might be a problem. To me, that seems pot-stirring, until, and if it actually becomes an issue.

You are accusing me of pot-stirring. This is getting to be ridiculous. You are just
attempting to be heavy handed and act like Hitler here. :nono

We won't know who will win any Grandslam until the grandslam is over. So, let us
not talk as to who will win a GS until the GS is over.:laydownlaughing
 

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Come on, keep the comparisons with Hitler for Putin. You get a bit OTT in your defensiveness, GSM, comparing the forum to living in China, Russia, Korea, and now a mod is acting like "Hitler." A tad melodramatic, eh?
 

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Fans have really short memories. This will all be forgotten come Wimbledon. If the US Open crowd could cheer for Djokovic in 2009 after what transpired in 2008, the Brits will root for the local hero.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Moxie629 said:
^I agree that not all threads are without a bit of bleed-over, and I have no problem with that. But, in this particular case, I don't see how discussing it is going to make it different: yes, Murray's going to get a hard time for speaking out on separation, or, no, he's not. It becomes a conversation about separation, then, and yes, should be left to Off Topic. There isn't really any fine-point to it, nor anything that has to do with his tennis.

The issue of Djokovic tax-sheltering in Monaco is different, if you really want to bring that back up. He flies the Serbian standard very high, and plays DC for Serbia quite proudly. His "Serbian" identification has quite a lot to do with who he is, according to him, and yet he has his residence elsewhere, for tax reasons. I never questioned whether he was truly a Serbian citizen, though, yes, I have asked about the hypocrisy of caring about your country so much, and tax-sheltering out of it. It's not political or off-topic to comment on Djokovic's playing choices v. his homestead ones, because he, himself, blurs the lines.

Murray is British. He lives in Britain, and pays his taxes there. (And THAT can't be easy. OK, he spends a lot of his time in FL, but I don't see that he's transferred his residence to the US.) He made a comment about the referendum on separation. As many have said, it was as much complaining about the negativing about the NO campaign, which was fairly universal.

I'm not trying to give Murray a pass and Djokovic a hard time, but one is about a specific political moment, and the other is about a life-choice that speaks to a broader ethical decision.

To your point about people discussing what Murray had to say, and how it might be greeted in London, I don't have a problem with it being discussed, per se, but my point is: we won't know until we get there. So I don't get why GSM wants to push the notion that it might be a problem. To me, that seems pot-stirring, until, and if it actually becomes an issue.

You are accusing me of pot-stirring. This is getting to be ridiculous. You are just
attempting to be heavy handed and act like Hitler here. :nono

Hitler? Really?
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Moxie629 said:
^I agree that not all threads are without a bit of bleed-over, and I have no problem with that. But, in this particular case, I don't see how discussing it is going to make it different: yes, Murray's going to get a hard time for speaking out on separation, or, no, he's not. It becomes a conversation about separation, then, and yes, should be left to Off Topic. There isn't really any fine-point to it, nor anything that has to do with his tennis.

The issue of Djokovic tax-sheltering in Monaco is different, if you really want to bring that back up. He flies the Serbian standard very high, and plays DC for Serbia quite proudly. His "Serbian" identification has quite a lot to do with who he is, according to him, and yet he has his residence elsewhere, for tax reasons. I never questioned whether he was truly a Serbian citizen, though, yes, I have asked about the hypocrisy of caring about your country so much, and tax-sheltering out of it. It's not political or off-topic to comment on Djokovic's playing choices v. his homestead ones, because he, himself, blurs the lines.

Murray is British. He lives in Britain, and pays his taxes there. (And THAT can't be easy. OK, he spends a lot of his time in FL, but I don't see that he's transferred his residence to the US.) He made a comment about the referendum on separation. As many have said, it was as much complaining about the negativing about the NO campaign, which was fairly universal.

I'm not trying to give Murray a pass and Djokovic a hard time, but one is about a specific political moment, and the other is about a life-choice that speaks to a broader ethical decision.

To your point about people discussing what Murray had to say, and how it might be greeted in London, I don't have a problem with it being discussed, per se, but my point is: we won't know until we get there. So I don't get why GSM wants to push the notion that it might be a problem. To me, that seems pot-stirring, until, and if it actually becomes an issue.

You are accusing me of pot-stirring. This is getting to be ridiculous. You are just
attempting to be heavy handed and act like Hitler here. :nono

Hitler? Really?

This is it where starts guys. GSM has got his glenn beck black board out showing how this is 3 steps from Moxie corralling people into train cars.:laydownlaughing

Jokes aside, I don't see why we can't go down this road of discussion. Honestly, trying to shut it down has proved much more of an off topic distraction than the original question.
 

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Well Wimbledon is the only gauge of crowd reaction since Murray got booed a lot last year at the WTF against Fed also and despite being in London, the WTF always has a huge Swiss crowd supporting Fed who is the definite crowd favourite there.
 

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The Deathless One always gets cheered against Murray so that's not an indicator. The WTF might have a few who get grumpy but I expect them to be for Murray anyhow. They're a forgiving lot, British tennis fans. They have little else to hang to their tattered Henman hats on.

There'll be no crowd reaction against Murray at Wimbledon...
 

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Probably not much and the majority will be for him rather than against but it depends how noisy said non fans and no longer fans get I guess. Come on, Tim! :snigger
 

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Front242 said:
Probably not much and the majority will be for him rather than against but it depends how noisy said non fans and no longer fans get I guess. Come on, Tim! :snigger

I think the fans always preferred Tim anyway. He gave them the choked anguish that they delight in. Streaming out of Wimbo with another semi-final loss to choke back was part of the summer for them, sweeter than strawberries and cream... :snigger
 

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Yeah, poor fella. Never made a final there but made me a fortune in his last years on tour as the bookies always stupidly had him as 1-8 favourite and you just knew he was gonna lose most matches and the opponents were all 7/4 or 9/4. €500 down and thank you very much, Tim :D Jing jing $$$$
 

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Tim's a nice bloke - here's a photo:


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Kieran said:
The Deathless One always gets cheered against Murray so that's not an indicator. The WTF might have a few who get grumpy but I expect them to be for Murray anyhow. They're a forgiving lot, British tennis fans. They have little else to hang to their tattered Henman hats on.

There'll be no crowd reaction against Murray at Wimbledon...

This Deathless One nickname is interesting. I sense frustration every time you type it ;) Yet I don't understand the frustration. You couldn't have expected the "Deathless One" to do much worse.
 

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DarthFed said:
Kieran said:
The Deathless One always gets cheered against Murray so that's not an indicator. The WTF might have a few who get grumpy but I expect them to be for Murray anyhow. They're a forgiving lot, British tennis fans. They have little else to hang to their tattered Henman hats on.

There'll be no crowd reaction against Murray at Wimbledon...

This Deathless One nickname is interesting. I sense frustration every time you type it ;) Yet I don't understand the frustration. You couldn't have expected the "Deathless One" to do much worse.

I think he's dying slower as a force than James Cagney used to when he'd roll about the steps of a cathedral clutching bullet holes. ;)

I like the nickname, but it's a testimony to his incredible stamina at the top. I give the chap credit sometimes, you know... :)