Barcelona Open 2018, ATP 500

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For sure only time will decide, but don't you even want to root for a teenager to do well? I do.
Sure I want him to do well, but I'm just suck of being disappointed by these young stars, not living up that people think they should be at.
 

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Tsitsipas said after the match: "Today I have learned a big lesson. The forehand of Nadal is one of the strongest of all the circuit. I never has seen a drive so powerful and with so much energy like his. I had seen many matches of him but to play against him is not the same, you see yourself without any options, without plans and it makes the match a lot more complicate and difficult"

On the other hand Annacone said during the match that Rafa's numbers on clay are starting to look comical because are too much and too good :yes:
 

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Tsitsipas said after the match: "Today I have learned a big lesson. The forehand of Nadal is one of the strongest of all the circuit. I never has seen a drive so powerful and with so much energy like his. I had seen many matches of him but to play against him is not the same, you see yourself without any options, without plans and it makes the match a lot more complicate and difficult"

On the other hand Annacone said during the match that Rafa's numbers on clay are starting to look comical because are too much and too good :yes:
Sounds like to me Tsitsipas saw the Boogeyman during the daytime
 
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Tsitsipas said after the match: "Today I have learned a big lesson. The forehand of Nadal is one of the strongest of all the circuit. I never has seen a drive so powerful and with so much energy like his. I had seen many matches of him but to play against him is not the same, you see yourself without any options, without plans and it makes the match a lot more complicate and difficult"

On the other hand Annacone said during the match that Rafa's numbers on clay are starting to look comical because are too much and too good :yes:
I like the young kid;s honesty. He just admits he's left "without any options". Other players (worse than him here because eliminated earlier) should have said the same but haven't been honest enough to admit it.
 
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Your agreement/disagreement is based on wrong metric.
Looking at Vilas record, I find we won just 1 RG + four finals (including said win). Si I scratched my head: where those 632 clay court match wins by Vilas came from? Someone said mainly 250 level events. So, his wins, in terms of ATP points, are weighed 8 times less than Rafa's decima (soon to be deci-una as the rest of the field is looking like second class players). Other decimas/deci-unas (at least soon to be) MC, Madrid, Barcelona, are worth 4 times or two times more than most of Vilas victories. I don't even need to define and calculate the precise metric because by this overview, Rafa's 400+ (soon to be 420+) wins have much more weight (I estimate several times more) than those 632 wins.
There is no slightest doubt, that by any reasonable metric, Nadal's achievements on clay, even if his career were cut short now, are far superior than those of Vilas. And subjectively, looking how Rafa is humiliating the rest of the field now: the best players are lucky if they get away without bagel... Have you seen anything like that, not with just Vilas, but any player in ATP history? I haven't.

Come on, you didn't realize that the post was in jest. :lol6:

In serious arguments in some other thread, I not only admitted that Rafa is clay GOAT but also single surface GOAT (i.e., Rafa on clay is more dominant than any player on any selected surface, including Roger on Grass).
 

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Come on, you didn't realize that the post was in jest. :lol6:

In serious arguments in some other thread, I not only admitted that Rafa is clay GOAT but also single surface GOAT (i.e., Rafa on clay is more dominant than any player on any selected surface, including Roger on Grass).
Oh, I can see now.:-)2As your avatar name suggests, you're very precise tennis statistician, unless... you're teasing/joking.