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Okay thanks for letting me know and the update

No worries, another glaring factor I did not post, Rune was up 5-0 in the super t/breaker and let it slip?
Hopefully moving forward he will learn from this match
It wasn't a quality match by any means both players making too many UFE at crucial times in the match
 
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Happy to see Rublev move on, but I think his path ends here and he'll be splattered against a Serbian wall.

As for Rune, I'm not convinced that he won't be the better player than Alcaraz. At the least, I think he'll be right there with the Spaniard

I believe Rune may be the better player of the two when their careers reach their end. The recent spate of injuries with Alcaraz and the tumble Rune took in an earlier match is a concern; hopefully these guys will remain healthy and avoid the injury bug going forward.

If Korda can continue to strengthen his grip over the nerves, I would love to see him become a consistent slam winner in the next few years. If he can get past Karen and Stefanos here, I think that will be a good tell as to what’s ahead. We’ll see.

I also got to watch a little bit of ‘what-the-hecka-. It’s nice to see a competitor who seems to thoroughly enjoy being out on the court. I think if it could be bottled and given to Tsitsipas, it would make a huge difference in his W-L record in slams.
 
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About time a player called him out on his injury...

When you read this, Novak says something about no one knowing what it feels like, even if he looks OK. Thinking about how he used to retire from matches seemingly often and easily, maybe it's just that he has a low tolerance for pain/discomfort. Doesn't explain why he likes to talk about it so much, though.
 

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When you read this, Novak says something about no one knowing what it feels like, even if he looks OK. Thinking about how he used to retire from matches seemingly often and easily, maybe it's just that he has a low tolerance for pain/discomfort. Doesn't explain why he likes to talk about it so much, though.
I would never talk about a niggling injury I had coming to any tournament, just my opinion, it does leave you open for criticism, and or people not believing you, if you suddenly appear physically fine,also it can give your opponent a 'physical and mental' edge over you.
 
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I believe Rune may be the better player of the two when their careers reach their end. The recent spate of injuries with Alcaraz and the tumble Rune took in an earlier match is a concern; hopefully these guys will remain healthy and avoid the injury bug going forward.

If Korda can continue to strengthen his grip over the nerves, I would love to see him become a consistent slam winner in the next few years. If he can get past Karen and Stefanos here, I think that will be a good tell as to what’s ahead. We’ll see.

I also got to watch a little bit of ‘what-the-hecka-. It’s nice to see a competitor who seems to thoroughly enjoy being out on the court. I think if it could be bottled and given to Tsitsipas, it would make a huge difference in his W-L record in slams.
I think at this point, we're going to see Rune and Alcaraz have an ongoing fight for the top, and probably go back and forth many times. Then there will be a solid group of challengers - guys that might sneak into #1 for a bit, win a Slam or two, but not be consistently up there with "Alcarune." Korda could be one of those guys, along with FAA, Sinner, etc. But I see Rune and Alcaraz as above the pack, but the gap is--and will always be--significantly more narrow than it was with the Big Three.

I don't know why, but I think we're going to see Stefanos step up over the next year or two and grab a Slam(s) and be one of the most consistent top 5 guys on tour. He's still young enough (24) that some emotional maturation can occur, and with Medvedev's and Zverev's problems, he could be the top next genner as the baton is passed to the younger guys. Rublev is a more limited player than those three, but that fire could lead to a sneaky Slam title at some point...or I hope.
 

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Some strong words from Novak Djokovic

Only my injuries are questioned.When some other players are injured, then they are the victims, but when it is me, I am faking it.It is very interesting.I don't feel that I need to prove anything to anyone".
Maybe he should think about this for a minute, then. Perhaps it is the case that he can beat everyone on tour with one hamstring tied behind his back, but if he's going to go blabbing on about his niggles, and then beat players many times x0, x1, x2 in sets, and even go on to win the tournament, and rarely lose time off the tour, people are going to ask questions. A variable in this he could change would be to keep it to himself.
 
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Maybe he should think about this for a minute, then. Perhaps it is the case that he can beat everyone on tour with one hamstring tied behind his back, but if he's going to go blabbing on about his niggles, and then beat players many times x0, x1, x2 in sets, and even go on to win the tournament, and rarely lose time off the tour, people are going to ask questions. A variable in this he could change would be to keep it to himself.
I think I already answered this, when I replied to your post a couple of minutes ago, regarding Novak talking about his hamstring problems
 
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ut not be consistently up there with "Alcarune."

It’s always fun to witness the birth of a portmanteau. :clap:

I don't know why, but I think we're going to see Stefanos step up over the next year or two and grab a Slam(s) and be one of the most consistent top 5 guys on tour. He's still young enough (24) that some emotional maturation can occur, and with Medvedev's and Zverev's problems, he could be the top next genner as the baton is passed to the younger guys.

This is all contingent upon whether or not Stefanos steps up and cuts the proverbial cord to his father. It’s well beyond time for this to have happened. They’re clearly bad for each other at this point. The father is a security blanket who has turned into a noose.
 

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When you read this, Novak says something about no one knowing what it feels like, even if he looks OK. Thinking about how he used to retire from matches seemingly often and easily, maybe it's just that he has a low tolerance for pain/discomfort. Doesn't explain why he likes to talk about it so much, though.
It's his attention seeking nature. This whole I may have to pull out, I may not play etc it's Bs. Too many players/athletes I like have lost a lot of their careers due to injury, so I can't stand when anybody milks a little ache pretending it's a serious injury. Also he is clueless about painkillers they might take the edge of things but they are not miracle pills, or I should say the ones wada allow are not miracle pills ;)
 

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It's his attention seeking nature. This whole I may have to pull out, I may not play etc it's Bs. Too many players/athletes I like have lost a lot of their careers due to injury, so I can't stand when anybody milks a little ache pretending it's a serious injury. Also he is clueless about painkillers they might take the edge of things but they are not miracle pills, or I should say the ones wada allow are not miracle pills ;)

If Novak's such an attn. seeker, why is it Rafa's injuries are brought up every event he plays? Come on; be fair! If Djokovic's a jerk, so is Nadal! ;)
 

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I think I already answered this, when I replied to your post a couple of minutes ago, regarding Novak talking about his hamstring problems
I suppose you did. I was reacting to your post quoting him, in his complaint that everyone talks about his injuries. I was emphasizing his complicity in his own problem. I don't think there's a limit on opinions around here. Clearly. :lulz1:
 

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Some strong words from Novak Djokovic

Only my injuries are questioned.When some other players are injured, then they are the victims, but when it is me, I am faking it.It is very interesting.I don't feel that I need to prove anything to anyone".
He's always the victim. Nadal has had the same treatment for years, same with Murray, even Federer had people question his back injury. Your either injured like poor CA or your playing. Can't be both.
 
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There is a strong correlation between "Novak haters" and "Rafa fans." Gee, I wonder why.
If you're talking about here and on other tennis forums, sure, why not? Same as there was always a strong correlation between "Rafa haters" and "Federer fans." (I'm not talking about you.) This is not brain surgery. But in the wider world, and amongst more casual fans, I'm sure you've noticed that is a bit more difficult for many to embrace. He does provide more material.
 
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Well, I don't post often on the men's thread but this event for the US has been really a nice surprise. Shelton/Paul should be interesting. Tommy Paul has been lumped in with a number of very fine American players but now he has an opportunity to make his first GS semifinal. Shelton held his nerve as JJ Wolfe seemed to run out of gas in the fifth, still a great effort. Not sure I am thrilled with some of Shelton's on-court celebrations, at one point I felt he was cheering his opponent's errors - not kewl to me, or maybe I just misinterpreted his behavior. There is also Korda in the top half, he'll have his hands full with the big serving Russian.

This was NOT the AO I was expecting to see, or rather not these names in the quarterfinals. Anything can happen!
Thanks for coming over to the men's side to post. I didn't find Shelton's behavior offensive, personally, but I guess we'll see. Have to give Paul the edge, given age/experience. Korda is the one I most like, of the 3, but I've watched his game more. Again, Khachanov has more experience, but I find his game much more one-dimensional, which I hope Korda can exploit.
 
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If Novak's such an attn. seeker, why is it Rafa's injuries are brought up every event he plays? Come on; be fair! If Djokovic's a jerk, so is Nadal! ;)
Every event :astonished-face: Rafa sure has said too much in the past I think a lot of his fans will admit that. In Rafa's defence he has had a few chronic injuries which he has been very open about. Djokovic injuries/ailments are usually top secret and a bit mysterious, almost as if he got an ache in the leg goes on the mayo clinic self-diagnoses the injury but stops reading before the part where it says the injury takes 3 months to heal :lol6:
 

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If Novak's such an attn. seeker, why is it Rafa's injuries are brought up every event he plays? Come on; be fair! If Djokovic's a jerk, so is Nadal! ;)
I think you can see the difference. Commies, writers and tennis fans have been gaming how long Rafa's body will hold out since the first big knee injury issue in 2009. They wonder about the state of his body even when there's no issue. The majority of this does not come from him. When asked about something during a tournament, he all but always will say he won't talk about it. Generally, he exposes injuries when they become obvious on court, or after the fact. Djokovic, on the other hand, likes to let it all out there ahead of time, and then it usually comes to nothing.
 

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If you're talking about here and on other tennis forums, sure, why not? Same as there was always a strong correlation between "Rafa haters" and "Federer fans." (I'm not talking about you.) This is not brain surgery. But in the wider world, and amongst more casual fans, I'm sure you've noticed that is a bit more difficult for many to embrace. He does provide more material.
Fair enough. As you know, I find the whole thing tedious - at least beyond playful teasing (which I participate in).

I do think Rafa fans hate Novak more than Roger fans hate Novak. But I do agree that there's some unreasonable hate of Rafa among some Roger fans (no names mentioned, but for some reason I'm thinking of Star Wars and 80s industrial music ;-).
 

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I looked up the H2H of Korda v. Khachanov, and it surprised me:

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Hopefully, Korda will pull it off tonight.

I have to think that Tsitsipas won't let Lehecka get in the way of his ambitions. I won't get to see it.
 
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Fair enough. As you know, I find the whole thing tedious - at least beyond playful teasing (which I participate in).
I suppose that's a question of one's tolerance for "playful teasing." I have a lot. ;)
I do think Rafa fans hate Novak more than Roger fans hate Novak.
I don't think the point is that Rafa fans hate Novak more than Roger fans hate Novak. That's clear, and clear why. I was also stating that there are a lot of people out there who can't warm up to Djokovic, in the wider world.

My point was that Roger fans hate(d) Rafa, and I think they hate(d) him more than Rafa fans hate Novak. I correlated those two things, based on your comment. Either you missed my point, or deliberately diverted it.

Everyone knows why Roger fans are OK with Novak. Convenience makes strange bedfellows. Originally, because he swept in to do what Roger couldn't do for himself, which was stop Rafa. To the point of wanting Roger to tank against Novak in the 2011 SF at RG.
But I do agree that there's some unreasonable hate of Rafa among some Roger fans (no names mentioned, but for some reason I'm thinking of Star Wars and 80s industrial music ;-).
Good one! But, if you think there were just 2, you've been around here a shorter time than I thought. If your favorite had been the object of years of drug accusations and otherwise endless trolling, you might realize how bad the "hating" was. I think you see it in the backlash from Nadal trolls. There's a constant "I'll use your tools against you." At the very least, what Djokovic faces, from reasonable posters, is holding him accountable for what he actually does. At least we don't make stuff up.

Sorry if this belongs on the Fedalovic Thread.
 
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