ATP World Tour Finals 2017, London, UK

[Busted]

Let's not kid ourselves, you'll probably razz him for pulling out this round. Have fun!

LOL! I already did. I just think - he doesn't need the money, so if he's injured, why even show up? He did the same thing in Paris because he was trying to secure YE #!. If he'd won this match - would he still have pulled out? Probably not..

 

[Busted]

I miss those days when the Masters YEC moved around the globe! The Masters of '74 was the first tourney I can remember seeing with Vilas overcoming Ilie Nastase in the event's final being played in Australia on Kooyong grass! Nastase was the better player, but Vilas was "in the zone" and really thumping the ball! Nastase couldn't put his shots away; the ball was coming at him so quickly with so much spin! I didn't enjoy the following year with Nastase coming back to beat Borg in the final on a very fast indoor surface! It wasn't long until it was ensconced in New York's MSG; an end of an era! It'll never go back to those extremes! The event might move, but commitments of multiple years will have to be forthcoming; you know how it is! o_O

I concur with that. I give Nadal shite for wanting to see the event played on clay, but really, the WTF was more interesting when it moved around and played on different surfaces. I guess, in today's financial climate though it makes more sense to have it in one location every year with a guaranteed financial sponsor.. Let's not forget what the static location is really about - M-O-N-E-Y not tennis.

 

[brokenshoelace]

ROTFLMAO. Gee...he said he was fine the other day. Another Murray - he should have withdrawn before the made up the draw. So once again Roger gets stuck with a sucky draw because an injured player didn't pull out of the tourney before it started. As I just said in a previous post - if Roger doesn't make it out of his group, then the ATP had better hope tickets for the weekend are already sold and non-refundable...

Because a professional tennis player is going to announce he has an injury before the match, thus letting his opponent know and potentially capitalize? Also, Nadal didn't say his knees were fine and left it at that. He said it's a day-by-day thing.

And did you seriously imply in a previous post that there's nothing wrong with Nadal but he's only pulling out in order not to play Federer? Why didn't he pull out before the tournament even began then?

I guess every fan-base needs its super biased poster.

 

[Carol]

Rafa says right after the match: "I'm off, my season is finished". Thank God he has taken that decision, I can't believe why he wanted to play in those bad conditions, playing so bad and his knee could get worse, he is soooo stubborn

 

[Carol]

LOL! I already did. I just think - he doesn't need the money, so if he's injured, why even show up? He did the same thing in Paris because he was trying to secure YE #!. If he'd won this match - would he still have pulled out? Probably not..

Because he wanted to prove himself if he could play and how far but as you can see he couldn't go too far.

 

[Busted]

Because a professional tennis player is going to announce he has an injury before the match, thus letting his opponent know and potentially capitalize? Also, Nadal didn't say his knees were fine and left it at that. He said it's a day-by-day thing.

And did you seriously imply in a previous post that there's nothing wrong with Nadal but he's only pulling out in order not to play Federer? Why didn't he pull out before the tournament even began then?

I guess every fan-base needs its super biased poster.

I said he should have pulled out of the tourney before the draw was made, ergo, that necessitates announces he has an injury - which everybody already knew anyway. As for what he said about the injury - I know what he said because I posted the video of it here. He said he was going to play that was his decision that day but he couldn't predict the future and if he couldn't be ready for Monday then he wouldn't be there but that he was practicing well and trying to be ready to play. I guess the game plan was that if he lost his first round he wouldn't continue. At least that's what it looks like to me. Still, it's pretty comical that the oldest of the Big 4 is the last guy standing - win or lose. Maybe next year some of these other guys will take a page out of Roger's book and stop playing so many tournaments - especially back-to-back-weeks - and manage their schedules and bodies better.

 

[shawnbm]

I have been working for the last few hours and now see that Rafael lost to David today. Am I reading this correctly – – is Nadal going to pull out of the tournament?

 

[Busted]

Good gravy...what's the world coming to...that idiot Greg Rusedski was right yesterday about Nadal pulling out. Can't remember the last time he was actually right about something...

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/878982/Rafael-Nadal-injury-ATP-World-Tour-Finals

Rafael Nadal will play ONE game at ATP Finals and then WITHDRAW - Greg Rusedski

RAFAEL NADAL will play just ONE game at the ATP World Tour Finals and then will withdraw through injury.

By LEWIS WINTER
PUBLISHED: 17:29, Mon, Nov 13, 2017 | UPDATED: 17:29, Mon, Nov 13, 2017
Rusedski thinks Nadal will give his knee a chance tonight but will then pull out, with compratriot Pablo Carreno Busta replacing him.

“I just looked at Paris,” Rusedski said.

“He got the World No 1 and you saw him limping in his last match that he won there in Paris and then withdrew the next day.

“When you can’t push up on your serve and you look at the impact the courts have on your body, I don’t think he’d be ready for this event.

“But he would like to give it a go and try it out and see if he can make it.

“Plus on top of that, this court is a lot quicker than Paris, lower bouncing that puts a lot more stress on the body.

“I think Rafa’s probably going to play one match then pull out.

“I’ve taken a little risk again on that category and put Carreno Busta into the next round.

“So I'm either going to look like a genius or I don’t know what I’m talking about whatsoever.”

 

[Busted]

I have been working for the last few hours and now see that Rafael lost to David today. Am I reading this correctly – – is the dog going to pull out of the tournament?

Done and dusted...Carreno Busta is in...

 

[shawnbm]

Holy moly! Unbelievable that he is done for the year.

 

[Federberg]

For what it's worth, the TC commentators were also debating the notion of rotating surfaces for the YEC, and they were in favor of it, including grass as one of the options. They said it would go to the southern hemisphere sometimes, for that reason, and that would be a good thing, too.

Here we go again. Didn’t Guga win the WTF? If he could do it, I suggest Rafa puts on his man pants, take a break from picking his beautiful azz and get on with it. I’ve never heard another multi-slam winner (or his fans) whinge so much about surfaces! And I don’t know any other great who’s benefitted so much from a specific surface. It’s unbecoming

 

[Moxie]

I have been working for the last few hours and now see that Rafael lost to David today. Am I reading this correctly – – is Nadal going to pull out of the tournament?

He did pull out. Goffin was giving him a really hard time in the first and Rafa couldn't get his teeth in. Way too timid. Around mid-second set, though, Rafa seemed to favor his knee. David should have closed him out in the 2nd, but lost his nerve. But in the 3rd Rafa couldn't push off on the right leg on his serve...he'd been serving well...and he didn't even try for some points. Shutting it down for the sake of the knee was the right decision.

 

[brokenshoelace]

And I don’t know any other great who’s benefitted so much from a specific surface. It’s unbecoming

He didn't "benefit" from clay. He won on clay. Clay events did not increase. No Grand Slam surface was changed to clay and Nadal capitalized or anything. He just won during the clay season (which isn't that long anyway). A lot.

 

[Moxie]

Here we go again. Didn’t Guga win the WTF? If he could do it, I suggest Rafa puts on his man pants, take a break from picking his beautiful azz and get on with it. I’ve never heard another multi-slam winner (or his fans) whinge so much about surfaces! And I don’t know any other great who’s benefitted so much from a specific surface. It’s unbecoming

Unbecoming of whom? I only said that there are several dispassionate commentators that thought it was a good idea. Sheesh.

 

[Moxie]

He didn't "benefit" from clay. He won on clay. Clay events did not increase. No Grand Slam surface was changed to clay and Nadal capitalized or anything. He just won during the clay season (which isn't that long anyway). A lot.

Speaking of whinging about surfaces. Somehow, it's OK to complain about Nadal doing so well on clay, (1/3 of the calendar,) but not to suggest that the YEC be played on rotating surfaces. Never any mention of players benefitting from 2/3 (or slightly more, as to Majors + YEC) of the year being played on HCs.

 

[DarthFed]

Unbecoming of whom? I only said that there are several dispassionate commentators that thought it was a good idea. Sheesh.

It's a stupid idea. What the hell is the point of playing a few weeks of indoor hard courts if the biggest event is suddenly going to be on clay or grass. And please give me something better than "Davis Cup can be played on different surfaces". Rafa whines about it every year because he's as self-serving as they come. He blows when the ball bounces low.

 

[Moxie]

It's a stupid idea. What the hell is the point of playing a few weeks of indoor hard courts if the biggest event is suddenly going to be on clay or grass. And please give me something better than "Davis Cup can be played on different surfaces". Rafa whines about it every year because he's as self-serving as they come. He blows when the ball bounces low.

It's not a "stupid" idea. It doesn't suit you. I'm saying that the commentators also thought it would be good. If you stop thinking of the YEC as an extension of the indoor HC season, and see it as a moveable and stand-alone, there's no reason not to make it rotating. Look, Darth, by the time it ever got effected, it wouldn't matter to Roger or Rafa, anyway, so, if you can release your own self-interest, why not a rotating YEC, in different venues and on different surfaces?

 

[DarthFed]

It's not a "stupid" idea. It doesn't suit you. I'm saying that the commentators also thought it would be good. If you stop thinking of the YEC as an extension of the indoor HC season, and see it as a moveable and stand-alone, there's no reason not to make it rotating. Look, Darth, by the time it ever got effected, it wouldn't matter to Roger or Rafa, anyway, so, if you can release your own self-interest, why not a rotating YEC, in different venues and on different surfaces?

A change like that wouldn't take too long to go into effect. Offhand I don't know how long the contract is in place to have it at London but I don't think they have it for more than a couple years out. And this is something Nadal has been whining about many years already. He isn't saying it because he wants to be "fair" to future generations. He's just garbage indoors.

I've already given multiple reasons why it's dumb. The quality of play would suffer greatly if you suddenly switch from hard courts to indoor grass or clay. At the end of a long season it's asking a lot for players to get properly accustomed to vastly different conditions in a week.

 

[Carol]

A change like that wouldn't take too long to go into effect. Offhand I don't know how long the contract is in place to have it at London but I don't think they have it for more than a couple years out. And this is something Nadal has been whining about many years already. He isn't saying it because he wants to be "fair" to future generations. He's just garbage indoors.

I've already given multiple reasons why it's dumb. The quality of play would suffer greatly if you suddenly switch from hard courts to indoor grass or clay. At the end of a long season it's asking a lot for players to get properly accustomed to vastly different conditions in a week.

The same quality of play suffering from clay to grass just in a few days

 

[DarthFed]

The same quality of play suffering from clay to grass just in a few days

I'd say the Year end Championships are a little more important than Stuttgart and whatever grass tourneys take place right after RG.