ATP Roland Garros / French Open, Paris, France, 2019

[tenisplayrla08]

So Thiem with the straight setter. Rather convincing from what I watched. Didn't hold my attention. Mostly watching Fognini/Zverev. But doing other stuff as well. Halep/Swiatek on court now. Hoping they'll move either Khachanov/DelPo or Anisimova/Boslova to Chatrier. Just find it hard to believe Anisimova/Bolsova is gonna make it onto Lenglen in time to finish today. Earliest I can see Khachanov/DelPo on is 12:15 or even 12:30 my time. 6:15 or 6:30 there. No way those two finish in time for those ladies to get started.

 

[Carol]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY RAFA!!!!!! and go for the 12!!!!!

 

[mrzz]

I looked this up several years ago when someone else asked, and here's what I found (but I'm not positive all of this is correct or properly up to date):

It's a five-way tie. Well, actually four guys, since one of them did it twice. In each case, the winner won three five-setters:

Gustavo Kuerten: 1997 Roland Garros

Final - Sergi Bruguera - 6-3, 6-4, 6-2
SF - Filip Dewulf - 6-1, 3-6, 6-1, 7-6(4)
QF - Yevgeny Kafelnikov - 6-2, 5-7, 2-6, 6-0, 6-4
R16 - Andrei Medvedev - 5-7, 6-1, 6-2, 1-6, 7-5
R32 - Thomas Muster - 6-7(3), 6-1, 6-3, 3-6, 6-4
R64 - Jonas Bjorkman - 6-4, 6-2, 4-6, 7-5
R128 - Slava Dosedel - 6-0, 7-5, 6-1

Stefan Edberg: 1992 US Open

Final - Pete Sampras - 3-6, 6-4, 7-6(5), 6-2
SF - Michael Chang - 6-7(3), 7-5, 7-6(3), 5-7, 6-4
QF - Ivan Lendl - 6-3, 6-3, 3-6, 5-7, 7-6(3)
R16 - Richard Krajicek - 6-4, 6-7(6), 6-3, 3-6, 6-4
R32 - Jonas Svensson - 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R64 - Jakob Hlasek - 7-5, 6-2, 6-1
R128 - Luiz Mattar - 6-4, 7-5, 6-2

Gaston Gaudio: 2004 Roland Garros

Final - Guillermo Coria - 0-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1, 8-6
SF - David Nalbandian - 6-3, 7-6(5), 6-0
QF - Lleyton Hewitt - 6-3, 6-2, 6-2
R16 - Igor Andreev - 6-4, 7-5, 6-3
R32 - Thomas Enqvist - 6-0, 6-4, 6-7(5), 6-4
R64 - Jiri Novak - 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, 5-7, 6-3
R128 - Guillermo Canas - 6-2, 2-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-2

Bjorn Borg: 1974 Roland Garros

Final - Manuel Orantes - 2-6, 6-7, 6-0, 6-1, 6-1
SF - Harold Solomon - 6-4, 2-6, 6-2, 6-1
QF - Raul Ramirez - 6-2, 5-7, 4-6, 6-2, 6-3
R16 - Erik Van Dillen - 0-6, 6-3, 6-3, 5-7, 6-3
R32 - Jean-Loup Rouyer - 6-4, 6-2, 6-0
R64 - Toma Ovici - 6-1, 6-1
R128 - Jean-Francois Caujolle - 4-6, 6-0, 6-4

Bjorn Borg: 1977 Wimbledon

Final - Jimmy Connors - 3-6, 6-2, 6-1, 5-7, 6-4
SF - Vitas Gerulaitis - 6-4, 3-6, 6-3, 3-6, 8-6
QF - Ilie Nastase - 6-0, 8-6, 6-3
R16 - Wojtek Fibak - 7-5, 6-4, 6-2
R32 - Nikola Pilic - 9-7, 7-5, 6-3
R64 - Mark Edmondson - 3-6, 7-9, 6-2, 6-4, 6-1
R128 - Antonio Zugarelli - 6-4, 6-2, 9-7

I guess we need to add Federer's AO 2017, no? From memory I remember Nishikori, Wawrinka and Nadal as five setters.

 

[tented]

They put both Fedal on PC for tomorrow.

Nope, he’ll be on Lenglen, and Rafa will be on PC.

Even as a Rafa fan, if I had done the schedule, I would have reversed this.

 

[tented]

I guess we need to add Federer's AO 2017, no? From memory I remember Nishikori, Wawrinka and Nadal as five setters.

Correct! I edited my original post with the list I had compiled a few years ago. Thanks.

 

[mrzz]

Absolute retard Fognini gifts the fourth set and thus the match to Zverev.

 

[tenisplayrla08]

I looked this up several years ago when someone else asked, and here's what I found (but I'm not positive all of this is correct or properly up to date):

It's a five-way tie. Well, actually four guys, since one of them did it twice. In each case, the winner won three five-setters:

Gustavo Kuerten: 1997 Roland Garros

Final - Sergi Bruguera - 6-3, 6-4, 6-2
SF - Filip Dewulf - 6-1, 3-6, 6-1, 7-6(4)
QF - Yevgeny Kafelnikov - 6-2, 5-7, 2-6, 6-0, 6-4
R16 - Andrei Medvedev - 5-7, 6-1, 6-2, 1-6, 7-5
R32 - Thomas Muster - 6-7(3), 6-1, 6-3, 3-6, 6-4
R64 - Jonas Bjorkman - 6-4, 6-2, 4-6, 7-5
R128 - Slava Dosedel - 6-0, 7-5, 6-1

Stefan Edberg: 1992 US Open

Final - Pete Sampras - 3-6, 6-4, 7-6(5), 6-2
SF - Michael Chang - 6-7(3), 7-5, 7-6(3), 5-7, 6-4
QF - Ivan Lendl - 6-3, 6-3, 3-6, 5-7, 7-6(3)
R16 - Richard Krajicek - 6-4, 6-7(6), 6-3, 3-6, 6-4
R32 - Jonas Svensson - 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R64 - Jakob Hlasek - 7-5, 6-2, 6-1
R128 - Luiz Mattar - 6-4, 7-5, 6-2

Gaston Gaudio: 2004 Roland Garros

Final - Guillermo Coria - 0-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1, 8-6
SF - David Nalbandian - 6-3, 7-6(5), 6-0
QF - Lleyton Hewitt - 6-3, 6-2, 6-2
R16 - Igor Andreev - 6-4, 7-5, 6-3
R32 - Thomas Enqvist - 6-0, 6-4, 6-7(5), 6-4
R64 - Jiri Novak - 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, 5-7, 6-3
R128 - Guillermo Canas - 6-2, 2-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-2

Bjorn Borg: 1974 Roland Garros

Final - Manuel Orantes - 2-6, 6-7, 6-0, 6-1, 6-1
SF - Harold Solomon - 6-4, 2-6, 6-2, 6-1
QF - Raul Ramirez - 6-2, 5-7, 4-6, 6-2, 6-3
R16 - Erik Van Dillen - 0-6, 6-3, 6-3, 5-7, 6-3
R32 - Jean-Loup Rouyer - 6-4, 6-2, 6-0
R64 - Toma Ovici - 6-1, 6-1
R128 - Jean-Francois Caujolle - 4-6, 6-0, 6-4

Bjorn Borg: 1977 Wimbledon

Final - Jimmy Connors - 3-6, 6-2, 6-1, 5-7, 6-4
SF - Vitas Gerulaitis - 6-4, 3-6, 6-3, 3-6, 8-6
QF - Ilie Nastase - 6-0, 8-6, 6-3
R16 - Wojtek Fibak - 7-5, 6-4, 6-2
R32 - Nikola Pilic - 9-7, 7-5, 6-3
R64 - Mark Edmondson - 3-6, 7-9, 6-2, 6-4, 6-1
R128 - Antonio Zugarelli - 6-4, 6-2, 9-7

I was a little surprised, too, but you put it perfectly: it’s extremely hard to win if you keep having to go the distance.

Ironically, if I remember correctly, I looked this up originally when Kei was making his way to the USO final several years ago.

Sooooo I'm doing a deep dive on Kei RIGHT NOW. Because I heard the commentator say he was now 23-6 and the leader of active players in the percentage of 5 set wins. Novak is under him, but has more wins at 29-9. That's .763 to Kei's .793. The record of course has him at 21-6 at .778. But that's lacking this weeks matches. So. There's that. I'd of course give the edge to Djokovic there because his 5 set wins are against Roger and Rafa quite a bit. Kei has like 1 against Fed and a couple against Murray. I'm compiling the list right now. But as I mentioned in a previous post, that sparked my deep dive, he's not got 3 5 setters against Paire. He's got 2 against Bolelli at Wimbledon in 2 straight years. Won both. But didn't do well after that. And gave a walkover to Giraldo after the second one in 2015. And he probably partially did that because he'd played a 5 setter with Giraldo early on in his career. Which he won. But still.

I quoted the original post though because I noticed Borg doing work in it and Borg holds the best career winning percentage in 5 setters at 27-6. .818. He's actually tied with a Jean Boratra. I don't know that person. Looked him up. He's from the 1930s. Doesn't diminish his record though. Robredo is technically still active on tour and technically above Djovovic with a 17-5 record. Johan Kriek sits at .818 with 18-4. Followed by Bill Tilden and Henri Cochet at .8 with 16-4. Kei is currently right below them at 6th all time. It may not stay there. Probably won't stay there. But it might get better before it falls. He needs 2 wins without a loss to pass Tilden and Cochet. Just 1 win to tie them. Obviously needs 5 wins without a loss to pass Borg. He'll almost certainly have a loss before he wins 2 more or 5 more. Currently on an 8 match win streak in 5 setters. Unless I'm missing a Davis Cup loss. I don't have all of those yet and I'm still looking. I've got 3 Davis cup 5 setters so far. I think I'm looking for 2 or 3 more. Then I should have everything. I don't think their in the 8 match win streak time frame though. It dates back to a 2017 RG win over Chung. I found an old post on the talk tennis forum at Tennis Warehouse, with a google search, that had a list of current 5 set records for active players in June of 2010. 2010! Nishikori was already at 5/1. My list currently only has 2 in that time frame from grand slam play. So looking for 4 apparently.

Other notables from that 2010 list. Dolgolpolov sat at 7-2 at the time. June 2010. He now sits at 8-7. Tough. Nadal was at 16-5. Cilic was at 15-6, he's now at 30-16. So 15 wins to 10 losses over the last 9 years. Not as good as his first years on tour. But still a 5 set titan. I think he's got the second most wins behind Fed amongst active players. And I haven't looked at the entire list of the percentage leaders. But I think Sampras has the highest wins count at 33. Cilic could be 3rd all time in 5 set wins. I mean. I'd need to look hard to be sure. But it looks like he's top 10 or even top 5 easily. I can't think of too many others who would have been able to come close to that win total. Djokovic was at 17-7. He's gone 12 and 2 in the 9 years since the post. Ferrer was at 17-9. Federer currently sits at 31-20. Back then he was at 20-16. So he's only lost 4 in 9 years. Won 11. Much better than his first 12 years or so on tour. Hewitt was at 31-19.
Fun to look at the difference. Though... I've highlighted most of them. Some of the people on the list are retired now. Roddick, Black, Hanescu, Hewitt. Looks like Roddick never played another 5 setter after this post. I'm pretty sure his 5 set record is set at 13-16 and he that's what the post has it at. Someone else posted a list of inactive players records. So that's there for you. I got mine from the ATP website though.

LINK!
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/atp-5-set-records-five-set.335267/

https://www.atptour.com/en/performance-zone/win-loss-index/career/5thset/all/


EDIT:
I thought looking for 4 more Davis Cup 5 setters BEFORE 2010 was high. I only found 1. And that rounded out the 29 matches I needed. It was a loss to Rohan Bopanna by the way. In India. On GRASS y'all. Nishikori was like 18 maybe 17.

But. I legit have NO idea how this person posted that Kei had a 5-1 record in 5 setters in JUNE of 2010 when Kei had only played 3 up until that point. He played a 4th at the US Open in 2010. But that's in September. I'm tempted to go check some of the other players record by that time to see when this person actually posted and figure out why the time stamp is off. Buuuut.... not even I have that kind of time. Or patience. Plus there is tennis to be watched.

 

[tenisplayrla08]

My 5 set deep dive meant that I missed a lot of Zverev/Fognini. But. I was really only interested in it if Fognini could challenge him. He couldn't deal with the serve. Zverev served well today. Did what he needed to do. Didn't miss too much. I don't care. And while I hope Djokovic doesn't win his 4th straight slam, I'm not really hoping it's Zverev that upsets him. Not that I think he's capable of it. He's got some wins over him. In 3 set matches. And maybe on clay he's got a better chance. Though I feel like he's sort of about the same level on all surfaces really. And about the same level to Djokovic on all surfaces. But in 5 sets, he'll have more opportunity to come back if he goes down 2 sets to love. But Djokovic will also have more time to right the ship if Zverev can find early success against him. And I just don't see him outlasting Djokovic. I think it'll have to be Thiem if it's going to be anyone before Nadal in the final. MAYBE DelPo if he can beat Thiem. I can't see Khachanov doing it even if he makes it to Djokovic. Even with his win late last year in Bercy. Not sure Thiem can do it.

Anyways. Good win for Zverev. No one can run around saying he's underachieving anymore. I mean. Maybe you can. But I feel like making the quarters consistently at 21 going on 22 is good enough to silence that. He's not dominating. And hasn't found a final like Fed, Novak and Nadal all had. But that's mostly because they still exist. Yeah, he didn't get to them in any slams. But, if he had he'd likely have lost anyways. The depth of the experienced players on tour is greater than ever as guys can play well a couple years into their 30s. I don't know why I'm rehashing this. We've all been over this a thousand times.

NEXT!

 

[don_fabio]

@tenisplayrla08 I need some time to go through all you wrote. You write a lot. I hope you keyboard buttons are holding up

There were talks the other day about wearing a cap the other way and how pointless it is. While I agree with that and how silly it can look on a player, I must say that Khachanov is more on a bad ass side with a beard and cap like that.

 

[tenisplayrla08]

@tenisplayrla08 I need some time to go through all you wrote. You write a lot. I hope you keyboard buttons are holding up

There were talks the other day about wearing a cap the other way and how pointless it is. While I agree with that and how silly it can look on a player, I must say that Khachanov is more on a bad ass side with a beard and cap like that.

Yeah I think it works for him too. And he's playing better than DelPo today. Getting the upper hand and serving so well. DelPo had all the break points early, but couldn't convert. Khachanov didn't have a break point until he broke. And then a second successive break to open the second set. Feeling confident. Wants a shot at Thiem. Has at least the power to hang with Thiem. But... we know DelPo has it in him to take this thing to 4 or 5 sets. Though, that might be in question with how much tennis he's already had to play.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

I can never tell if something is wrong with Delpo or not...He walks a like a sloth on prozac regardless.

 

[Bonaca]

My 5 set deep dive meant that I missed a lot of Zverev/Fognini. But. I was really only interested in it if Fognini could challenge him. He couldn't deal with the serve. Zverev served well today. Did what he needed to do. Didn't miss too much. I don't care. And while I hope Djokovic doesn't win his 4th straight slam, I'm not really hoping it's Zverev that upsets him. Not that I think he's capable of it. He's got some wins over him. In 3 set matches. And maybe on clay he's got a better chance. Though I feel like he's sort of about the same level on all surfaces really. And about the same level to Djokovic on all surfaces. But in 5 sets, he'll have more opportunity to come back if he goes down 2 sets to love. But Djokovic will also have more time to right the ship if Zverev can find early success against him. And I just don't see him outlasting Djokovic. I think it'll have to be Thiem if it's going to be anyone before Nadal in the final. MAYBE DelPo if he can beat Thiem. I can't see Khachanov doing it even if he makes it to Djokovic. Even with his win late last year in Bercy. Not sure Thiem can do it.

Anyways. Good win for Zverev. No one can run around saying he's underachieving anymore. I mean. Maybe you can. But I feel like making the quarters consistently at 21 going on 22 is good enough to silence that. He's not dominating. And hasn't found a final like Fed, Novak and Nadal all had. But that's mostly because they still exist. Yeah, he didn't get to them in any slams. But, if he had he'd likely have lost anyways. The depth of the experienced players on tour is greater than ever as guys can play well a couple years into their 30s. I don't know why I'm rehashing this. We've all been over this a thousand times.

NEXT!

I don’t think Zverev can take out Novak, he also isn’t capable of beating Thiem or Bull.
I would like Djokovic to catch another Slam in a row than disgusting bull to take another French.
I see Delpo creating more problems to Thiem than Karen could, so i was hoping Juan wins. Things are know different because of the 2 set lead of the Russian. Hope he wins in straights and gives a good fight to Thiem.
Pure power Tennis will not take out bull, so the only left to do this are Novak and the Maestro. All others will fail.

 

[Federberg]

This is looking like a straight sets affair but I have to say it's an absolute cracker. When Khach is on he's dangerous

 

[Bonaca]

This is looking like a straight sets affair but I have to say it's an absolute cracker. When Khach is on he's dangerous

Hope he does this also against the Austrian on Wednesday!

 

[don_fabio]

This is looking like a straight sets affair but I have to say it's an absolute cracker. When Khach is on he's dangerous

Delpo breaks again. He is not going down without a fight. Level of tennis is very high in this 3rd set.

 

[Fiero425]

Delpo breaks again. He is not going down without a fight. Level of tennis is very high in this 3rd set.

He's got a long way back! Either way it should assist Nole into getting further if they work so hard to get to him! :whistle:

 

[Bonaca]

He's got a long way back! Either way it should assist Nole into getting further if they work so hard to get to him! :whistle:

I'm worried this will not help Nole, it helps Thiem to get easier to the Semis and cause Problem to the only one who could stop the Spaniard .

 

[tented]

Delpo breaks again. He is not going down without a fight. Level of tennis is very high in this 3rd set.

So I should begin watching again? I gave up after JMDP was down 0-3 in the 2nd.

 

[DarthFed]

Sooooo I'm doing a deep dive on Kei RIGHT NOW. Because I heard the commentator say he was now 23-6 and the leader of active players in the percentage of 5 set wins. Novak is under him, but has more wins at 29-9. That's .763 to Kei's .793. The record of course has him at 21-6 at .778. But that's lacking this weeks matches. So. There's that. I'd of course give the edge to Djokovic there because his 5 set wins are against Roger and Rafa quite a bit. Kei has like 1 against Fed and a couple against Murray. I'm compiling the list right now. But as I mentioned in a previous post, that sparked my deep dive, he's not got 3 5 setters against Paire. He's got 2 against Bolelli at Wimbledon in 2 straight years. Won both. But didn't do well after that. And gave a walkover to Giraldo after the second one in 2015. And he probably partially did that because he'd played a 5 setter with Giraldo early on in his career. Which he won. But still.

I quoted the original post though because I noticed Borg doing work in it and Borg holds the best career winning percentage in 5 setters at 27-6. .818. He's actually tied with a Jean Boratra. I don't know that person. Looked him up. He's from the 1930s. Doesn't diminish his record though. Robredo is technically still active on tour and technically above Djovovic with a 17-5 record. Johan Kriek sits at .818 with 18-4. Followed by Bill Tilden and Henri Cochet at .8 with 16-4. Kei is currently right below them at 6th all time. It may not stay there. Probably won't stay there. But it might get better before it falls. He needs 2 wins without a loss to pass Tilden and Cochet. Just 1 win to tie them. Obviously needs 5 wins without a loss to pass Borg. He'll almost certainly have a loss before he wins 2 more or 5 more. Currently on an 8 match win streak in 5 setters. Unless I'm missing a Davis Cup loss. I don't have all of those yet and I'm still looking. I've got 3 Davis cup 5 setters so far. I think I'm looking for 2 or 3 more. Then I should have everything. I don't think their in the 8 match win streak time frame though. It dates back to a 2017 RG win over Chung. I found an old post on the talk tennis forum at Tennis Warehouse, with a google search, that had a list of current 5 set records for active players in June of 2010. 2010! Nishikori was already at 5/1. My list currently only has 2 in that time frame from grand slam play. So looking for 4 apparently.

Other notables from that 2010 list. Dolgolpolov sat at 7-2 at the time. June 2010. He now sits at 8-7. Tough. Nadal was at 16-5. Cilic was at 15-6, he's now at 30-16. So 15 wins to 10 losses over the last 9 years. Not as good as his first years on tour. But still a 5 set titan. I think he's got the second most wins behind Fed amongst active players. And I haven't looked at the entire list of the percentage leaders. But I think Sampras has the highest wins count at 33. Cilic could be 3rd all time in 5 set wins. I mean. I'd need to look hard to be sure. But it looks like he's top 10 or even top 5 easily. I can't think of too many others who would have been able to come close to that win total. Djokovic was at 17-7. He's gone 12 and 2 in the 9 years since the post. Ferrer was at 17-9. Federer currently sits at 31-20. Back then he was at 20-16. So he's only lost 4 in 9 years. Won 11. Much better than his first 12 years or so on tour. Hewitt was at 31-19.
Fun to look at the difference. Though... I've highlighted most of them. Some of the people on the list are retired now. Roddick, Black, Hanescu, Hewitt. Looks like Roddick never played another 5 setter after this post. I'm pretty sure his 5 set record is set at 13-16 and he that's what the post has it at. Someone else posted a list of inactive players records. So that's there for you. I got mine from the ATP website though.

LINK!
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/atp-5-set-records-five-set.335267/

https://www.atptour.com/en/performance-zone/win-loss-index/career/5thset/all/


EDIT:
I thought looking for 4 more Davis Cup 5 setters BEFORE 2010 was high. I only found 1. And that rounded out the 29 matches I needed. It was a loss to Rohan Bopanna by the way. In India. On GRASS y'all. Nishikori was like 18 maybe 17.

But. I legit have NO idea how this person posted that Kei had a 5-1 record in 5 setters in JUNE of 2010 when Kei had only played 3 up until that point. He played a 4th at the US Open in 2010. But that's in September. I'm tempted to go check some of the other players record by that time to see when this person actually posted and figure out why the time stamp is off. Buuuut.... not even I have that kind of time. Or patience. Plus there is tennis to be watched.

That's a seriously deep dive. There are quite a few tennis players I might do a deep dive on but none of them play on the ATP

 

[Bonaca]

So I should begin watching again? I gave up after JMDP was down 0-3 in the 2nd.

No you don’t have to. Juan break down in the 4th.